Why do they breeding Hybrid strains?

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DarkLordMelkor

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Hello all.

I am always seeing indica/sativa dominance on strain infos. I made a deep look on internet and look for difference they say. Indicas makes you more sleepy, sativas makes you more uplifting etc.

Now i have Northern Lights and Gorilla Glue to smoke (both auto). In last two days i tried Northern and today Glue. I see no difference actually. Northern was with thin leaves and tall. Glue was with wide leaves, short and bushy. Both of them gave me same effects. Dizzy feeling, dry mouth, red tiny eyes, a bit giggly and relaxed. So i see no difference at all. If i compare informations on internet it's kind of mixed high from sativa and indica.

They say 60/40 indica-sativa or vice versa. But hybrids (indica dom and sativa dom) makes me feel same actually. If so why do breeders using this terms?

Because informations on internet says that if you grow indica dominant strain you will get relaxed, couchlock etc. But i also get uplitfing, giggly sometimes very focusing on indica dominant strain.

So, if hybrid does mean mixed high from both why do they use percentage?

Or, if i get relaxed, couchlock, stoned feeling only from indica dominant why i am feeling sativa effects?

Anyway this entry written under indica high. I know you know what i mean lol.
 
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terpedup83

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you can grow 100 seeds of a variety that is 60/40 whatever and the plants will not all be the same, some will be more like mom, some more like dad, a mixture, some will be more like grandma etc but remember im a sock i dont know anything pretty much born a pendejo, so hopefully some really cool people swoop in and help you get to the bottom of this, good luck
 
DeadHeadX

DeadHeadX

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I agree. Some weed is more potent than other, but i think a lot of the emphasis on particular effects is nonsense to sound fancy and sell product. A lot of people also point to harvest times when talking about couch lock and stuff.

My goal is pretty much always the same: get high. Growing up in the northeast, USA, the main stuff we could get, when you could even determine origin, was indica. If I had a favorite, it would be that, but again, it all gets you high when you smoke it, hopefully. The rest is pretty psychosomatic, imo.
 
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curious2garden

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DeadHeadX said:
I agree. Some weed is more potent than other, but i think a lot of the emphasis on particular effects is nonsense to sound fancy and sell product. A lot of people also point to harvest times when talking about couch lock and stuff.

My goal is pretty much always the same: get high. Growing up in the northeast, USA, the main stuff we could get, when you could even determine origin, was indica. If I had a favorite, it would be that, but again, it all gets you high when you smoke it, hopefully. The rest is pretty psychosomatic, imo.
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Pretty much although I'd change psychosomatic to placebo effect.

I'm pretty pleased we have it and even I can grow it! Essentially over time I've gotten better genetics so we have an investment in this as we continue to grow and share the fruits of our labors.

Finally different strain type combinations do have different physical effects. For example there are some strains of cannabis that have an incredibly strong alpha 2 adrenergic receptor agonist effect. I dislike those.
 
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terpedup83

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curious2garden said:
Pretty much although I'd change psychosomatic to placebo effect.

I'm pretty pleased we have it and even I can grow it! Essentially over time I've gotten better genetics so we have an investment in this as we continue to grow and share the fruits of our labors.

Finally different strain type combinations do have different physical effects. For example there are some strains of cannabis that have an incredibly strong alpha 2 adrenergic receptor agonist effect. I dislike those.
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alpha 2 adrenergic receptor agonist effect, can you explain that a little please? curious to learn too lazy to google
 
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TheWholeTruth

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DarkLordMelkor said:
Hello all.

I am always seeing indica/sativa dominance on strain infos. I made a deep look on internet and look for difference they say. Indicas makes you more sleepy, sativas makes you more uplifting etc.

Now i have Northern Lights and Gorilla Glue to smoke (both auto). In last two days i tried Northern and today Glue. I see no difference actually. Northern was with thin leaves and tall. Glue was with wide leaves, short and bushy. Both of them gave me same effects. Dizzy feeling, dry mouth, red tiny eyes, a bit giggly and relaxed. So i see no difference at all. If i compare informations on internet it's kind of mixed high from sativa and indica.

They say 60/40 indica-sativa or vice versa. But hybrids (indica dom and sativa dom) makes me feel same actually. If so why do breeders using this terms?

Because informations on internet says that if you grow indica dominant strain you will get relaxed, couchlock etc. But i also get uplitfing, giggly sometimes very focusing on indica dominant strain.

So, if hybrid does mean mixed high from both why do they use percentage?

Or, if i get relaxed, couchlock, stoned feeling only from indica dominant why i am feeling sativa effects?

Anyway this entry written under indica high. I know you know what i mean lol.
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Both those strains id consider indica types and then you also have to take into account the auto plants added wich normally have a dull effect. For a beter comparison try a quick flowering pure hashplant type vs something like a long flower zamal, malawi or Congolese and you should have a better idea of the sativa vs indica effects.
 
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TheWholeTruth

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DarkLordMelkor said:
Hello all.

I am always seeing indica/sativa dominance on strain infos. I made a deep look on internet and look for difference they say. Indicas makes you more sleepy, sativas makes you more uplifting etc.

Now i have Northern Lights and Gorilla Glue to smoke (both auto). In last two days i tried Northern and today Glue. I see no difference actually. Northern was with thin leaves and tall. Glue was with wide leaves, short and bushy. Both of them gave me same effects. Dizzy feeling, dry mouth, red tiny eyes, a bit giggly and relaxed. So i see no difference at all. If i compare informations on internet it's kind of mixed high from sativa and indica.

They say 60/40 indica-sativa or vice versa. But hybrids (indica dom and sativa dom) makes me feel same actually. If so why do breeders using this terms?

Because informations on internet says that if you grow indica dominant strain you will get relaxed, couchlock etc. But i also get uplitfing, giggly sometimes very focusing on indica dominant strain.

So, if hybrid does mean mixed high from both why do they use percentage?

Or, if i get relaxed, couchlock, stoned feeling only from indica dominant why i am feeling sativa effects?

Anyway this entry written under indica high. I know you know what i mean lol.
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Most of those places using percentages have no real clue as they have no real knowledge of the actual pedigrees of the strains and the parents that make them. Its just the industry is changing with many places now legal and some medical so with that comes some regulation and rules and trying to look professional so they try to start from were they can and estimate percentages based on guesses of the pedigrees. Only a small amount of breeders will give a more acurate picture as they will know the pedigrees of their strains, the others are just guessing with some out right just making it up. Some people dont even know what a real sativa is and call gg4 and og ect sativas when they are mostly indica hashplant types.
 
xox

xox

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some strains are indeed more potent than others, growing up alot of the pot sold on the street didnt have official names like today. we would often refer to different types more by the smell and the look, indoor, outdoor, hydro (dont know if it was actually hydro but havent seen street weed look like it in ages very dry and crystally crumbled easily no flowers were larger than 25 cents no sugar leaves hard like rocks) and of course skunk weed that was a staple of mine there was a solid half a decade when i was younger where that was all i bought until one day it disappeared im intimately familiar with what it looks and smells like i firmly believe if i saw it today i would still be able to identify it the smell was very distinct and strong. i remember getting on a bus with as little as a dime bag in my pocket and people staring at me because of the smell coming from the tiny piece i had in my pocket.
 
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Blutri

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Polyhybrids are used because the breeder hopes to hit the genetic lottery and produce a cannabis morphology that has yet to be seen. Since this phenomenon is know to happen, it just a matter of when and where. New variations of cannabis are rare and highly collectible. Thus the owner of such a fine if propelled into stardom if he uses his find correctly.
 
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TheWholeTruth

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Blutri said:
Polyhybrids are used because the breeder hopes to hit the genetic lottery and produce a cannabis morphology that has yet to be seen. Since this phenomenon is know to happen, it just a matter of when and where. New variations of cannabis are rare and highly collectible. Thus the owner of such a fine if propelled into stardom if he uses his find correctly.
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There are new types coming out every day. There are thousands and thousands now. Not many that are special and really stand out like some that have stood the test of time. Look at the true nl#5 x haze, made in the late 80s - 93/94 and still every so often plants from those original seed batches still keep popping up and winning cups, being renamed and again wining cups. Heck even its daughters have been hitting hattrick wins over and over. Not many breeders building things like that. Its just crossing for the sake of it or to take advantage of this flashy name being crossed with that new lattest fad. No plan and method and genetic techniques in place that might give them better than the parents plants. Creating new shouldn't be the goal, it should be to create better than the rest.
 
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terpedup83

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Blutri said:
Polyhybrids are used because the breeder hopes to hit the genetic lottery and produce a cannabis morphology that has yet to be seen. Since this phenomenon is know to happen, it just a matter of when and where. New variations of cannabis are rare and highly collectible. Thus the owner of such a fine if propelled into stardom if he uses his find correctly.
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genetics are wild, i crossed AG skunk 1 with bodhi babylon buster, just a random pollen chuck for shits and giggles, i popped a few of the f1's and i have one that has traits of both parents with added ripe tropical fruit aroma like mango or passion fruit that was not in either parent, pretty trippy
 
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Blutri

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TheWholeTruth said:
Look at the true nl#5 x haze, made in the late 80s - 93/94 and still every so often plants from those original seed batches still keep popping up and winning cups, being renamed and again wining cups. Heck even its daughters have been hitting hattrick wins over and over.
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So brother your reply answered you own question. Therefore I must deduce that you are asking how to increase the frequency of producing crosses that exhibited traits and or effects similar to the nl#5 x haze cross.
Take note of the above post.
 
Splinter7

Splinter7

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DarkLordMelkor said:
Hello all.

I am always seeing indica/sativa dominance on strain infos. I made a deep look on internet and look for difference they say. Indicas makes you more sleepy, sativas makes you more uplifting etc.

Now i have Northern Lights and Gorilla Glue to smoke (both auto). In last two days i tried Northern and today Glue. I see no difference actually. Northern was with thin leaves and tall. Glue was with wide leaves, short and bushy. Both of them gave me same effects. Dizzy feeling, dry mouth, red tiny eyes, a bit giggly and relaxed. So i see no difference at all. If i compare informations on internet it's kind of mixed high from sativa and indica.

They say 60/40 indica-sativa or vice versa. But hybrids (indica dom and sativa dom) makes me feel same actually. If so why do breeders using this terms?

Because informations on internet says that if you grow indica dominant strain you will get relaxed, couchlock etc. But i also get uplitfing, giggly sometimes very focusing on indica dominant strain.

So, if hybrid does mean mixed high from both why do they use percentage?

Or, if i get relaxed, couchlock, stoned feeling only from indica dominant why i am feeling sativa effects?

Anyway this entry written under indica high. I know you know what i mean lol.
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autos have ruderalis. the high is very ruderalis in every one i have had. adn there is sativa/indica/ruderalis. ruderalis and it's crosses are not even in the same ballpark as the others. sure, any can test high in thc, but there is a lot more than that going on. i'll take the pepsi challeng on any auto. i don't notice huge differences unless there is skewedness in their genetic origin. i smoke a land race sativa and i can't figure out what to eat for 3 hours. i smoke an indica i eat the entire pantry...dried noodles and all. autos....i go back to work and pretend i am high.
 
Splinter7

Splinter7

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DeadHeadX said:
I’d enjoy that a lot, but I’m pretty deep into a career that requires my presence. Oh well. I am decent at functioning while baked. Years of practice…
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i am 20 years into mine....i just use technology to replace face to face interactions. most of my time is spent as a computer jocky. unless you do some form of manual blue or pink collar labor most businesses would benefit from having a work from home policy for as many employees as possible.
 
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TheWholeTruth

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Blutri said:
So brother your reply answered you own question. Therefore I must deduce that you are asking how to increase the frequency of producing crosses that exhibited traits and or effects similar to the nl#5 x haze cross.
Take note of the above post.
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Ah. Was just a comment. I personally wouldn't try to recreate the 5hz as it was made with parents that were kept as clone from original seed, meaning original bloodlines. I suppose you could try to use parents 20 plus generations removed or some inbreeding method. But to get the very best would probably be to use the original blood lines and pick the best of them wich was kind of how it was made. Then the tradition was a cupwinner, and the daughter that won the cup, and again that was used that created another cupwinner. Not a method many use but I see it used in animal breeding and other plant breeding that produce champion lines with pedigree champion bloodlines that can be followed back. I dont see that happening no more. People dont even progeny test for parent material on a large scale no more, they just go through plants to pick the one that looks and smokes the best and cross those, whem they are supposed to progeny test multiple plants keeping backups of all, an pick the ones that produce the most potent seed in high numbers. Lost art nowdays.
 
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