Wrong Paul

Dankdude

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Fantasy, fallacy and factual fumbles from the Republican insurgent.

Summary

Ron Paul doesn't have much of a chance of winning the Republican nomination, but he persists with his well-funded campaign and even talks of turning it into a permanent "Revolution" that will continue far beyond 2008.

We've given his statements little attention until now. But here we look at some of his more outlandish claims:

  • Paul claims that a secret conspiracy composed of the Security and Prosperity Partnership and a cabal of foreign companies is behind plans to build a NAFTA Superhighway as the first step toward creating a North American Union. But the NAFTA Superhighway that Paul describes is a myth, and the groups supposedly behind the plans are neither secret nor nefarious.
  • Paul says that the U.S. spends $1 trillion per year to maintain a foreign empire and suggests that we could save that amount by cutting foreign spending. Paul gets that figure by including a lot of domestic programs that he isn't planning to cut, like the U.S. Border Patrol and interest payments on the debt.
  • Paul has run television ads touting an endorsement from Ronald Reagan, but he fails to mention that, in 1988, Paul wanted "to totally disassociate" himself from the Reagan administration.

Analysis

Ron Paul’s candidacy is something of an enigma. His impressive fundraising and his legions of dedicated volunteers suggest that he could be among the front-runners in contention for the Republican nomination. Yet his national poll numbers hover consistently just above the margin of error, and on Super Tuesday, he finished last in 17 of 21 contests, including California, where he lost to a candidate who had already withdrawn from the race. He admits he has little hope of winning the nomination.

"Ron Paul" is the most searched term on our site, and until recently, those searches revealed only that Paul had participated in a whole lot of Republican debates. We applied our efforts to candidates with odds of becoming the nominee.

Yet Paul says he will not drop out of the race, and indeed talks of a perpetual campaign. In a message to his followers Feb. 8, he said:

Paul: If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked.​

So, given the ardency of Paul’s supporters and the scores of e-mails requesting that we write about him, we decided to take a look at Paul’s claims. Here’s some of what we found.

Paging Fox Mulder

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According to Paul, a secret organization run by unaccountable government figures is in league with foreign corporations who are all bent on usurping American sovereignty. That's not from the script for a new X-Files movie. (Or not that we know of.) It's the gist of Paul's description of a supposed "NAFTA Superhighway." Paul discribes it on his Web site as "a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside." And that's not all. According to Paul, the ultimate plan is to form a North American Union with a single currency and unlimited travel within its borders, all headed up by "an unholy alliance of foreign consortiums and officials from several governments" that together form the shadowy "quasi-government organization called the ‘Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,’ or SPP."

The problem with Paul's claim is that there are no plans to build a NAFTA Superhighway. Or a North American Union, for that matter. And while the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America does exist, it’s just a boring bureaucracy.

Like many conspiracy theories, this one is a mixture of fact and fiction. That scary-looking map, with lines that rumor suggested were drawn to scale, is the product of an actual group called North America's SuperCorridor Organization (NASCO), which is a consortium of public and private entities. But contrary to conspiracy theorists, the map does not show a new highway. Those bright blue lines show only I-35 and I-29 – interstates that already exist. On its Web site, NASCO says it and some of the local governments along I-35 have been referring to that route as the "NAFTA Superhighway" for years. NASCO advocates improvements to existing roads, but is not lobbying for, or planning to build, any new thoroughfares. From the NASCO Web site:

NASCO: "NAFTA Superhighway" - As of late, there has been much media attention given to the "new, proposed NAFTA Superhighway". NASCO and the cities, counties, states and provinces along our existing Interstate Highways 35/29/94 (the NASCO Corridor) have been referring to I-35 as the 'NAFTA Superhighway' for many years, as I-35 already carries a substantial amount of international trade with Mexico, the United States and Canada. There are no plans to build a new NAFTA Superhighway - it exists today as I-35.​

In terms of new roads, there are, in fact, plans for a Trans-Texas Corridor, a road that would be (in spots) several football fields wide. And the road would be financed by a private company (which is partially Spanish-owned) that would then charge tolls to recoup its investment. But the TTC was approved by the Texas Legislature and the governor of Texas. It is a state initiative, but it is not part of a NAFTA Superhighway, nor is it the product of a shadowy federal conspiracy.

Indeed, Ian Grossman, a spokesman with the Federal Highway Administration told the Los Angeles Times, "There is no such superhighway like the one [Paul is] talking about. It doesn't exist, in plans or anywhere else."

The other parts of the conspiracy are much the same. The SPP – that "quasi-government organization" – is really an actual government organization, organized through the White House. According to David Bohigian, an assistant secretary of commerce, the SPP is a bureaucratic dialog staffed by mid-level officials from the U.S., Canada and Mexico who work to synchronize customs, security and regulations. "Simple stuff," Bohigian told The Nation last August, "like, for instance, in the U.S. we sell baby food in several different sizes; in Canada, it's just two different sizes." Not exactly cloak-and-dagger stuff.

The SPP has a fact sheet on its Web site that attempts to put to rest all the tall tales surrounding it. And if that isn’t enough, the Washington Post’s Fact Checker, Newsweek and the urban legend site Urban Legends Reference Pages all have previously debunked this particular bit of conspiracy-theorizing.

Of course, maybe they’re all in on it, too.

About That Trillion Dollar Empire

In debates, Paul has claimed the U.S. spends a trillion dollars on a "foreign operation" each year to maintain an "empire":

Paul (Jan. 30): So, yes, this money should be spent back here at home. We have a $1 trillion foreign operation to operate our empire. That's where the money is. You can't keep borrowing from China. You can't keep printing the money.​

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One should be suspicious of this number right away. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office projects total spending for the current fiscal year to be about $2.9 trillion. President Bush's proposed fiscal 2009 budget would top $3 trillion for the first time. In fiscal 2008, a total of almost $1.8 trillion goes to mandatory spending on programs like Medicare and Social Security and to interest on the debt. That leaves just under $1.1 trillion in total discretionary spending, of which $572 billion goes to defense spending. Even if we called the entire defense budget an overseas cost of maintaining an empire – and then kicked in the entire $50.6 billion OpenDNS for the State Department and international programs – Paul is still $378 billion short.

When we asked the Paul campaign for some documentation for the $1 trillion claim, it directed us to an opinion piece by a fellow at the libertarian-leaning Independent Institute. The OpenDNS argues that in 2006, the U.S. actually spent just under $1 trillion on defense. To arrive at that figure, the study included a number of items that one might generally not think of as defense spending, including the Department of Homeland Security, the State Department, one-third of the funding for the FBI and half of NASA’s funding. The numbers also include medical and retirement pay for veterans and a large portion of interest on the debt.

So it turns out that what Paul says is a trillion dollars for a "foreign operation" includes a lot of things that seem pretty domestic to us. For example:

  • The entire U.S. Border Patrol
  • Every military base in the United States and all the 1.4 million full-time military personnel (not just those serving overseas)
  • Background checks for new immigrants
  • Inspections of incoming cargo
  • All airport security programs
  • The issuing of U.S. passports
  • The FBI's counter-terrorism unit
  • 92 percent of the interest payments on the national debt

Obviously Paul isn't advocating defaulting on U.S. Savings Bonds or doing away with border security, or even closing all U.S. embassies overseas. But that makes it all the more misleading for him to suggest that cutting out this "foreign operation" could save $1 trillion per year.
 
A Flipper on the Gipper​
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Narrator: Who among these men has never supported a tax increase? Never supported an unbalanced budget? Never supported wasteful government spending?

Narrator: Congressman Ron Paul: The taxpayer’s best friend.

Narrator: We need to keep him fighting for our country.

Ron Paul: I’m Ron Paul and I approve this message.​


In a recent television ad titled "The Only One," Paul claims to be the only candidate never to vote for a tax increase, pass an unbalanced budget or support wasteful government spending. The ad closes with the narrator saying, "We need to keep him fighting for our country." The words are attributed to Ronald Reagan. Paul uses a longer version of the quotation on his Web page:

From Ron Paul Web site: “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first.” – Ronald Reagan​

Paul's embrace of Reagan's legacy represents a significant change of heart. Actually, it's the second time that Paul has changed his mind about Reagan. After endorsing Reagan for president in 1976 and again in 1980, Paul became disenchanted, leaving the Republican party in 1987. The following year, he told the Los Angeles Times.

Paul (May 10, 1988): The American people have never reached this point of disgust with politicians before. I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration.​

Paul's disaffection started early in Reagan's presidency. "Ronald Reagan has given us a deficit 10 times greater than what we had with the Democrats," Paul told the Christian Science Monitor in 1987. "It didn't take more than a month after 1981, to realize there would be no changes."

Sometime between 1988 (during Paul's run for the presidency on the Libertarian Party ticket) and 1996 (when Paul, running as a Republican once more, successfully ousted an incumbent House member in a GOP primary), Paul once again embraced Reagan's legacy. The New York Times reported then that Paul had used the longer version of the Reagan quote in a videotape sent to 30,000 households. According to the Times, Reagan’s former attorney general, Edwin Meese III, flew to Texas "to insist that Mr. Reagan had offered no recent endorsements."

We were unable to document Reagan's endorsement of Paul. When we asked the Paul campaign for documentation, a spokesperson told us that the campaign was "a little more focused on positive things." The Paul campaign did not provide the Times with a date for the quotation in 1996, either.

Introduction to Logic

We close with a final point, though this one is directed at Ron Paul supporters. Recently, we’ve received a barrage of e-mail containing variations on this theme: "Am I to assume that by making no mention of Rep. Ron Paul in your synopses of GOP candidates, you found his statements meritorious?" The similarities between the messages led to a bit of searching, and we found what we suspect is the cause: A post at DailyPaul.com alleges that because the author found no instances where we called out Paul for misstatements, "FactCheck.org shows that Ron Paul is truthful."

We realize that DailyPaul.com is not officially affiliated with Paul’s campaign. But the error is egregious enough that it merits discussion. Here’s the basic argument from DailyPaul:

  1. If FactCheck.org writes about a candidate, then that candidate makes some inaccurate claims.
  2. FactCheck.org has not written about Ron Paul.
  3. Therefore Ron Paul does not make inaccurate claims.

That argument might sound appealing, but, in fact, it is a logical fallacy (philosophers call this one "denying the antecedent"). Consider a different argument that has exactly the same logical structure:

  1. If it is Thursday, then I have to go to work.
  2. It is not Thursday.
  3. Therefore I do not have to go to work.

We wouldn't recommend trying that argument out on your boss – unless, of course, you have a job that requires you to work only on Thursdays. And that’s the problem with the DailyPaul.com argument. It works only to the extent that you assume that we write about every single inaccurate claim uttered by every single political candidate. We don’t. We just hadn't gotten around to mentioning many Ron Paul flubs.

We’ve corrected that oversight now.
 
"The problem with Paul's claim is that there are no plans to build a NAFTA Superhighway. Or a North American Union, for that matter. And while the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America does exist, it’s just a boring bureaucracy. "

I'll do an easy one NAFTA NAU. To say it doesn't exist is baffling.

"former Mexican President Vincente Fox admitted to supporting the long term goal of a North American Union by building on NAFTA and said that he and President Bush planned for a regional currency similar to the Euro Dollar before the plan got derailed."

"The Council on Foreign Relations proposses replacing all three branches of the U.S. government with a North American version, effectively replacing U.S. representative government. Many feel that the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) is the precursor to a North American Union."

"Senate Joint Resolution 22 was submitted to the Oklahoma legislature in 1995 calling for the support and creation of a NAFTA superhighway, which was spelled out in exactly those words,"


Oklahoma state senator Randy Brogdon and Amanda Teegarden, founding member and research chair of OK-SAFE, are both strong opponents of well-documented moves to extend north into Oklahoma the four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor planned in Texas to be built parallel to Interstate 35, known as TTC-35. Brogdon told a Sept. 29,2007 OK-SAFE audience in Tulsa, "The NAFTA Superhighway stops here, at the border with Oklahoma."

Not hacking on you Dank but one of the things Ron Paul preaches is a cause and effect. Looking deeper into things than the average Joe would. What happens when you do certain things. Where will the NAFTA Highway lead the US of A? I don't mean point A to point B in the driving sense.
 
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Parker ...

Excellent reporting! :) You saved me a lot of time. Thanks. :)

I noted an interesting thing: The site the article was derived from wasn't posted and the author's name was omitted. Why?

Something I DO know ... Ron Paul's ideas scare the hell out of a lot of people who are from all over the political spectrum. To statists of every stripe, the ideas of liberty are a threat that must be crushed at any cost.

Vi
 

Something I DO know ... Ron Paul's ideas scare the hell out of a lot of people who are from all over the political spectrum. To statists of every stripe, the ideas of liberty are a threat that must be crushed at any cost.

Vi

Your not serious right? What aprox percentage of the population do you think believes "the ideas of liberty are a threat that must be crushed at any cost."??

You were joking right?

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Your not serious right? What aprox percentage of the population do you think believes "the ideas of liberty are a threat that must be crushed at any cost."??

You were joking right?:-?

Nope, I wasn't joking.

Take a look at some of the postings that occur in this forum. How totally against the ideas of liberty, and how adamant about statism are they? This is just one small Internet site. Now multiply it by the tens of thousands and you'll have some idea. The largest threat to those who have an entitlement mindset, and to those who benefit from that mindset, is liberty.

Vi

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"The Council on Foreign Relations proposses replacing all three branches of the U.S. government with a North American version, effectively replacing U.S. representative government. Many feel that the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) is the precursor to a North American Union."
Yup...Clinton, Obama, and McCain are also members of the CFR.
 
Flipper Gipper is a topic on the post that is a bit insulting. If anyone has followed or listened to Ron Paul they would know how he supports individuals or rather parts of that individuals campaign.
He supported Bushs campaign promise to stay out of the Middle East. (We all know how that camnpaign promise turned out.)
He supported Reagan when Reagan promised reduced government.
When asked if he'd be a VP for McCain he said not unless McCain changed alot.
Like Paul or not he is as steady as a rock. One look at his voting record will tell you that. The nickname Dr No was not dreamed up. I'll take his word over any candidates. You know where you stand when you stand with Ron Paul. No stain on his record, no stain on a dress.
 
Parker, I said before I got this from FactCheck.org refute them...... Personally I think that Ron Paul is beating a dead horse.
 
Parker, I said before I got this from FactCheck.org refute them...... Personally I think that Ron Paul is beating a dead horse.

Hi Dank
Your comment to We Tared was "the facts check out". IMO, they do not. Since I read them on this site I will refute them here.
 
I guess I'm a dead horse beater!!!! Sweet, I just popped my dead horse beating cherry.

I honestly don't believe spreading RON PAULs ideology is beating a dead horse. If someone is expecting to get him into office than thats a little far fetched. But, as far as telling people to research RON PAUL and learn what he stands for, that can never get old. As parker said "I'll take his word over any candidates. You know where you stand when you stand with Ron Paul. No stain on his record, no stain on a dress."


I'm still going to vote for RON PAUL regardless.

RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!!

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What, RP ain't walkin on water any more, Damn.

Ron Paul wont allow the federal government to walk on your water.
from ten years ago on property rights

In a society that respects the property of others, it is cause for legal action if someone pollutes your land, or the water coming across your property, or the air which floats above it.
In the past, big businesses often colluded with government to allow them to pollute their neighbors land, leaving the adjacent owners with devalued property and no recourse.

Perhaps the most egregious assault occurs, though, at the death of a property owner. Instead of being able to leave the family estate to his heirs, the owner's survivors must instead sit down with the government and negotiate how to divide up the property. The family farm is an endangered species, not for a lack of profitability or interest, but because the taxes assessed by government at our death forces the family to sell off land just to pay the levy.


That last part I wanted to show how far this man takes the thought process when major issues are involved.
 
The family farm is an endangered species,

Boy you can say that again. Big Agri has wiped them out. Between big Agri and the residential developers, the family farm is becoming a thing of the distant past. I wonder how many "family farms" really benefit from farm subsidies? The farm that I was raised on in my youth became a trailer park in the 60s.
 
The family farm is an endangered species,

Boy you can say that again. Big Agri has wiped them out. Between big Agri and the residential developers, the family farm is becoming a thing of the distant past. I wonder how many "family farms" really benefit from farm subsidies? The farm that I was raised on in my youth became a trailer park in the 60s.

And the same people who taxed the family farm out of business, and subsidized "Big Agri" are the very same people that you would turn our entire medical system over to.

Vi
 
And the same people who taxed the family farm out of business, and subsidized "Big Agri" are the very same people that you would turn our entire medical system over to.

Vi
Absolutely! Eliminate the greedy asshole HMOs that deny life saving care to bolster the bottom line while paying CEOs exhorbitant salaries and Making big bucks for it's stockholders. Eliminate greedy hospitals that throw indigent patients into the street for the bottom line.
 
Oh, bullshit Med. Where are those "greedy hospitals?" Give us some links to back up your phony assertions.

Vi
 
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