WTF!?! Video shows two camera angles of LaVoy Finicum shooting

Where are the riots and Justice Department investigation? This man wasn't fleeing a robbery nor did he assault a police officer, yet he actually died from three shots to the back. Something is seriously wrong with this country ...

Let's not forget about our local atrocities like Deven Guilford and William Reddie either ...

https://www.rollitup.org/t/eaton-county-shoots-kids.887374/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-death-of-william-reddie.841590/

While we might share a bowl, we would argue over this issue I'm afraid.

Rrog said:

While we might share a bowl, we would argue over this issue I'm afraid.

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The issue of lawful use of force

That fellow wanted to be shot. Said so for weeks before, said her would never ever be taken to prison, and said "kill me now" dozens of times in that phone video. Then exits the vehicle and runs around like crazy, pulls a firearm and gets exactly what he asked for so many times.

How on earth could this have ended in any other fashion?

Many people are looking for either suicide by cop or death as martyr. Not sure here.

I see. But they never said that he brandished a weapon, just that he was reaching for one that he legal possessed. Some say he was reaching for a wound after being shot though. Did you see a weapon in the video?

Regardless opening fire on the vehicle was unlawful use of force and endangered the lives of innocent children IMHO. You do agree with that right? Why were lawful commands not being broadcast over the patrol vehicles PA systems during the entire event. I know a little bit about law enforcement and that was not it. I know a little about warfare as well and that looked more like an ambush to me.

If paranoia of police and/or our government justifies the use of deadly force, what chance do our mentally ill have against the agents willing to kill them and lawyers willing to defend that ...

TheMan13 said:

I see. But they never said that he brandished a weapon, just that he was reaching for one that he legal possessed. Some say he was reaching for a wound after being shot though. Did you see a weapon in the video?

Regardless opening fire on the vehicle was unlawful use of force and endangered the lives of innocent children IMHO. You do agree with that right? Why were lawful commands not being broadcast over the patrol vehicles PA systems during the entire event. I know a little bit about law enforcement and that was not it. I know a little about warfare as well and that looked more like an ambush to me.

If paranoia of police and/or our government justifies the use of deadly force, what chance do our mentally ill have against the agents willing to kill them and lawyers willing to defend that ...

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We have no police accountability left in America. Our civil rights have also taken the same exit. Until the one is addressed we will never have the other.

TheMan13 said:

Did you see a weapon in the video?

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Video resolution would prohibit any positive conclusion. But he did indeed have a gun and was reaching in that general direction and was acting crazy as hell. That anyone could see, and it's simply more evidenced by the cell phone video. He endangered the occupants of the vehicle.

TheMan13 said:

Regardless opening fire on the vehicle was unlawful use of force and endangered the lives of innocent children IMHO. You do agree with that right?

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I do not agree with that.

TheMan13 said:

Why were lawful commands not being broadcast over the patrol vehicles PA systems during the entire event. I know a little bit about law enforcement and that was not it. I know a little about warfare as well and that looked more like an ambush to me.

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He ran out of the vehicle screaming "shoot me!" What does a PA public service announcement do when he's running around like a crack head?

TheMan13 said:

If paranoia of police and/or our government justifies the use of deadly force, what chance do our mentally ill have against the agents willing to kill them and lawyers willing to defend that ...

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I cannot agree with that portrayal. That is not what happened at all. This is not a result of police paranoia. That's a shocking assertion, IMHO. This man made it clear this was exactly how this was going to go down. He ensured this happened. He caused this entirely.

Rrog said:

He ran out of the vehicle screaming "shoot me!" What does a PA public service announcement do when he's running around like a crack head?

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When our military rolled into Panama to take Noriega (per international law), we did so with PA systems attached to our vehicles and bayonets attached to our weapons. We had clear rules of engagement that day (per political lawyers) and shooting some fool running around with his hands in the air yelling "shoot me" was not one. No less would that justify shooting (use of deadly force) toward the children in his vehicle and/or allow for leaving him unattended to die ...

Remember Waco, Texas and Ruby Ridge ...

Rrog said:

While we might share a bowl, we would argue over this issue I'm afraid.

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You are correct

Why don't cops ever shoot people in the legs?

TheMan13 said:

... and shooting some fool running around with his hands in the air yelling "shoot me" was not one.

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IMHO that quite trivializes the scenario. Heavily armed criminals pulling weapons demands that exact response.

Rrog said:

IMHO that quite trivializes the scenario. Heavily armed criminals pulling weapons demands that exact response.

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Did you see one weapon (non LEO) in that video or hear anyone threaten or plan to shoot anyone (other than LEO) Or did you hear people worried/frightened about being shot and then being shot at without any discernible warning or direction?

I'm not trivializing anything here brother. My point is that as a soldier in a foreign land I could not act (lawfully use force) as those law enforcement agents did (on video) in this country serving a fucking civil warrant. How is that trivializing anything? That is a juxtaposition of two armed agents of government in which should never be able to be paralleled given the US Constitution ...

Rrog said:

Video resolution would prohibit any positive conclusion. But he did indeed have a gun and was reaching in that general direction and was acting crazy as hell. That anyone could see, and it's simply more evidenced by the cell phone video. He endangered the occupants of the vehicle.



I do not agree with that.



He ran out of the vehicle screaming "shoot me!" What does a PA public service announcement do when he's running around like a crack head?



I cannot agree with that portrayal. That is not what happened at all. This is not a result of police paranoia. That's a shocking assertion, IMHO. This man made it clear this was exactly how this was going to go down. He ensured this happened. He caused this entirely.

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The cell phone video clearly shows the cops shooting before he reached for the weapon, if that was what he was actually doing. The cops clearly did not follow protocol when they fired on a man with BOTH HANDS IN THE AIR

TheMan13 said:

I'm not trivializing anything here brother. My point is that as a soldier in a foreign land I could not act (lawfully use force) as those law enforcement agents did (on video) in this country serving a fucking civil warrant.

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I'm off topic but the ROE downrange is ridiculous. It's antiquated and only useful in a conventional war.

mr sunshine said:

Why don't cops ever shoot people in the legs?

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Because Dead Men don't talk...

Resinxtractor said:

Because Dead Men don't talk...

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Have you or mr sunshine ever been shooting? hitting a moving target is difficult enough let alone a moving target the diameter of a 20oz pop bottle. thats why cops dont shoot in the leg or arm. they are taught and trained to shoot center mass. which also happens to be the largest target

just a thought on the whole cops endangering children thing..

just like when a jihadi scum puts his daughter in the car with him as he tries to rush a barricade and his family screams outrage when the military puts dusts them.... its not the military who endangered the kids its the father..

its not the police who endangered the kids and the passengers its the driver... mind you i don't agree with shooting on a carload of kids EVER... its just a grey area... its not really the cops responsibility to sacrifice his own life so some shitheads kids don't catch a stray... its the parents responsibility ultimately

the real losers are the kids and the innocent bystanders that get caught in the crossfire but like i said.. if your those cops.. do you sacrifice your own life when someone opens fire on your while they hide behind their kids? man... thats a deep question... idk the answer but i know my kids need a parent sooooo... idk what i would do.. its very dependent on the situation... a car isn't good cover from a handgun round so taking cover behind a car is really a myth so if there wasn't any real cover to be had i think they probably made the right move... god its a hard thing to say but its completely unreasonable to think its ok that a law enforcement officer sacrifices his own life to save the life of the kids of some guy who decided to go full retard so that only leaves that the cop defends himself..

now obviously if it was a bad shooting then the cops need to be strung up by their feet but idk this situation seems to be a bit more complicated then that

TheMan13 said:

Where are the riots and Justice Department investigation? This man wasn't fleeing a robbery nor did he assault a police officer, yet he actually died from three shots to the back. Something is seriously wrong with this country ...

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you gonna cry some more over this white supremacist piece of trash getting the death he wanted?

figures you would.

mrbungle79 said:

Have you or mr sunshine ever been shooting? hitting a moving target is difficult enough let alone a moving target the diameter of a 20oz pop bottle. thats why cops dont shoot in the leg or arm. they are taught and trained to shoot center mass. which also happens to be the largest target

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I run through several boxes a month...None the less. You never pull the trigger unless you have full intent to kill, Plus seriously dead men or women don't talk. No one to testify in court but the shooter.