Xfspazx

Brick Top

New Member
If this place is so bad, why are you still here? To stir up shit perhaps? This site is only as bad as WE make it. It's also only as good as we make it. So, you don't think the "ship" can be saved? I disagree. I firmly believe that if we can get rid of some of these trolls and know-it-all windbags this place would start to shape up instantly. ;-)

If you haven't noticed overall I have been posting less lately. That is because while I keep a window open for this site I also have several windows open to other growing sites where I am not more active. I am watching the train wreck that is in progress here more than anything else.

Trolls, how will you rid the site of them? They have been on the increase and the number of just plain jerks have been on the increase and the number of idiot savants minus the savant part have been on the increase and the number of what must be kids is on the increase and the number of wannabe gangstas is on the increase. How will you turn that around? The answer is you cannot.

I have been a member of many growing sites over the years, and belong to about a half dozen now and I've been a mod twice and I have seen good sites turn sour and then turn worthless. I know the signs and I am seeing them here, now.

When I joined the site I could see it had more than it's share of problems but like you now, I believed things could be turned around and the place could be turned into something special, a top notch growing site. Up until a few months ago I still had some hope left that things could be turned around. Now I feel sure that will never happen.

The best case scenario for this site is that it does not get any worse than it already is, and that isn't saying much that is positive. The most likely scenario is it will continue to go downhill until it's membership is made up of jug-head jerks who think they know everything but don't know dick, trolls and boatloads of newbies of which part of them will become more jug-head jerks who think they know everything but don't know dick and some will become trolls and some will realize their mistake of joining here and move on to greener pastures, like little by little a handful of the better people of this site have done and others will in time do in increased numbers.

The writing is on the wall for all to see. If people like you would take off your rose colored glasses or blinders you would be able to see it too. This site has become a local community junior college of growing ignorance and it will never be transformed into an MIT of growing.

The place is already a cross between Romper Room and an insane asylum run by the inmates and it will only get worse. You can of course attempt to fool yourself into believing otherwise, but that is the true situation.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
If you haven't noticed overall I have been posting less lately. That is because while I keep a window open for this site I also have several windows open to other growing sites where I am not more active. I am watching the train wreck that is in progress here more than anything else.

Trolls, how will you rid the site of them? They have been on the increase and the number of just plain jerks have been on the increase and the number of idiot savants minus the savant part have been on the increase and the number of what must be kids is on the increase and the number of wannabe gangstas is on the increase. How will you turn that around? The answer is you cannot.

I have been a member of many growing sites over the years, and belong to about a half dozen now and I've been a mod twice and I have seen good sites turn sour and then turn worthless. I know the signs and I am seeing them here, now.

When I joined the site I could see it had more than it's share of problems but like you now, I believed things could be turned around and the place could be turned into something special, a top notch growing site. Up until a few months ago I still had some hope left that things could be turned around. Now I feel sure that will never happen.

The best case scenario for this site is that it does not get any worse than it already is, and that isn't saying much that is positive. The most likely scenario is it will continue to go downhill until it's membership is made up of jug-head jerks who think they know everything but don't know dick, trolls and boatloads of newbies of which part of them will become more jug-head jerks who think they know everything but don't know dick and some will become trolls and some will realize their mistake of joining here and move on to greener pastures, like little by little a handful of the better people of this site have done and others will in time do in increased numbers.

The writing is on the wall for all to see. If people like you would take off your rose colored glasses or blinders you would be able to see it too. This site has become a local community junior college of growing ignorance and it will never be transformed into an MIT of growing.

The place is already a cross between Romper Room and an insane asylum run by the inmates and it will only get worse. You can of course attempt to fool yourself into believing otherwise, but that is the true situation.
I don't know how you can make such sweeping generalizations. There are still numerous knowledgeable growers here. Are there a lot of kids and know-it-all punks? Sure, but you are going to have that at any site as popular as this one has become. Members come and go. I've been here long enough to see that it gets crazy around here every so often and then calms down again. The main problem right now IMO is the lack of moderators. I'm not sure why rolli isn't getting more moderators but this isn't my site. Seriously though, why do you feel the need to trash the place? If you feel the ship is sinking why not get in the lifeboats? You are actually contributing to the problem with posts like the ones you've been making lately. When I first came here there were some old timers who were saying the exact same thing you are. Are you sure it's the site that has changed and not you?bongsmilie
 

fabfun

New Member
oh no i am very capable
just your ship was sunk
ok i see the writing u posted saying u are leaving this riu sinking ship but seems
that u are still treading water
are u incapable of making up your mind u say im leaving but a day later your still here trying to bail like crazy?


I'm not a captain of any ship ... and I am referring to RIU. If you are incapable of seeing the writing on the wall your ship needs a new captain.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
oh no i am very capable
just your ship was sunk
ok i see the writing u posted saying u are leaving this riu sinking ship but seems
that u are still treading water
are u incapable of making up your mind u say im leaving but a day later your still here trying to bail like crazy?
It would seem he's only interested in stirring up shit at this point.:-(
 

fabfun

New Member
if it is so bad why not leave thats what i dont understand
like saying i hate this forum but let me log on and see whats going on

If you haven't noticed overall I have been posting less lately. That is because while I keep a window open for this site I also have several windows open to other growing sites where I am not more active. I am watching the train wreck that is in progress here more than anything else.

Trolls, how will you rid the site of them? They have been on the increase and the number of just plain jerks have been on the increase and the number of idiot savants minus the savant part have been on the increase and the number of what must be kids is on the increase and the number of wannabe gangstas is on the increase. How will you turn that around? The answer is you cannot.

I have been a member of many growing sites over the years, and belong to about a half dozen now and I've been a mod twice and I have seen good sites turn sour and then turn worthless. I know the signs and I am seeing them here, now.

When I joined the site I could see it had more than it's share of problems but like you now, I believed things could be turned around and the place could be turned into something special, a top notch growing site. Up until a few months ago I still had some hope left that things could be turned around. Now I feel sure that will never happen.

The best case scenario for this site is that it does not get any worse than it already is, and that isn't saying much that is positive. The most likely scenario is it will continue to go downhill until it's membership is made up of jug-head jerks who think they know everything but don't know dick, trolls and boatloads of newbies of which part of them will become more jug-head jerks who think they know everything but don't know dick and some will become trolls and some will realize their mistake of joining here and move on to greener pastures, like little by little a handful of the better people of this site have done and others will in time do in increased numbers.

The writing is on the wall for all to see. If people like you would take off your rose colored glasses or blinders you would be able to see it too. This site has become a local community junior college of growing ignorance and it will never be transformed into an MIT of growing.

The place is already a cross between Romper Room and an insane asylum run by the inmates and it will only get worse. You can of course attempt to fool yourself into believing otherwise, but that is the true situation.
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
It would seem he's only interested in stirring up shit at this point.:-(
there have been a few of us here that took this thread over after being dead for good two years.it was solely being used as a side project for people to keep from stirring up shit on other threads.since most of us have given up on keeping grow journals here and don't even bother trying to give or find information here anymore...because you almost can't. this thread was taken over as our "pirate ship". we come in here and discuss things in an abandoned thread to avoid mods stalking us and people starting random arguments...and look at what happened...mods are "hunting" us and people are starting arguments...so thanks to those for proving the point as to why we started taking over threads in the first place.
 

fabfun

New Member
second rule of the fight club never post on threads what your intentions are thats what lead to the so called stalking

there have been a few of us here that took this thread over after being dead for good two years.it was solely being used as a side project for people to keep from stirring up shit on other threads.since most of us have given up on keeping grow journals here and don't even bother trying to give or find information here anymore...because you almost can't. this thread was taken over as our "pirate ship". we come in here and discuss things in an abandoned thread to avoid mods stalking us and people starting random arguments...and look at what happened...mods are "hunting" us and people are starting arguments...so thanks to those for proving the point as to why we started taking over threads in the first place.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
there have been a few of us here that took this thread over after being dead for good two years.it was solely being used as a side project for people to keep from stirring up shit on other threads.since most of us have given up on keeping grow journals here and don't even bother trying to give or find information here anymore...because you almost can't. this thread was taken over as our "pirate ship". we come in here and discuss things in an abandoned thread to avoid mods stalking us and people starting random arguments...and look at what happened...mods are "hunting" us and people are starting arguments...so thanks to those for proving the point as to why we started taking over threads in the first place.
I totally feel you bro. Why do you feel like mods are "hunting" you though? I thought Gogrow said he was just trying to figure out what your intentions were and I thought he implied that he was ok with it. Maybe I misunderstood though.bongsmilie
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
I totally feel you bro. Why do you feel like mods are "hunting" you though? I thought Gogrow said he was just trying to figure out what your intentions were and I thought he implied that he was ok with it. Maybe I misunderstood though.bongsmilie
me personally..i dont feel that mods are hunting me..im more the graphic designer for the pirates...i don't really do the pirate speak because i don't know all that stuff. i rarely participate in arguments here...never had infractions or been banned from this or any site. i was just there when all this started and know and understand why it started. and i was only going by the fact that this thread was more then dead then a mod that no one knew was a mod shows up and talks about "hunting" pirates...not me personally...just the group.it was more proving my point that most..not all..of the mods here will find certain people or groups of people to "keep an eye on", while the kids and trolls run a muck.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
me personally..i dont feel that mods are hunting me..im more the graphic designer for the pirates...i don't really do the pirate speak because i don't know all that stuff. i rarely participate in arguments here...never had infractions or been banned from this or any site. i was just there when all this started and know and understand why it started. and i was only going by the fact that this thread was more then dead then a mod that no one knew was a mod shows up and talks about "hunting" pirates...not me personally...just the group.it was more proving my point that most..not all..of the mods here will find certain people or groups of people to "keep an eye on", while the kids and trolls run a muck.
Perhaps he came off wrong, I don't know and don't want to speak for him but I think he just wanted to know what you were about. I think most of the good members here feel exactly the way you do though, myself included.;-)
 

fabfun

New Member
we can try to sugar coat it but it was about the posts directing the crewto threads to go after members that sunk u guys ship and no i seen u didnt participate which is admirable in my eyes

me personally..i dont feel that mods are hunting me..im more the graphic designer for the pirates...i don't really do the pirate speak because i don't know all that stuff. i rarely participate in arguments here...never had infractions or been banned from this or any site. i was just there when all this started and know and understand why it started. and i was only going by the fact that this thread was more then dead then a mod that no one knew was a mod shows up and talks about "hunting" pirates...not me personally...just the group.it was more proving my point that most..not all..of the mods here will find certain people or groups of people to "keep an eye on", while the kids and trolls run a muck.
 

fabfun

New Member
no he was very polite and pleasant considering

Perhaps he came off wrong, I don't know and don't want to speak for him but I think he just wanted to know what you were about. I think most of the good members here feel exactly the way you do though, myself included.;-)
 

jyermum

Active Member
this thread was taken over as our "pirate ship". we come in here and discuss things in an abandoned thread to avoid mods stalking us and people starting random arguments...and look at what happened...
Exactly. No harm here just some fun..

we can try to sugar coat it but it was about the posts directing the crewto threads to go after members that sunk u guys ship and no i seen u didnt participate which is admirable in my eyes
Are you talking about the Irish nun mexican gangster with machine gun thread? If so that was a fictitious comedy thread and we were there in fun, it was a fun post in the first place.

I understand that you want to clean up RIU and its commendable to assist newbs and make sure they are not getting too much bad information but people are here as a community. A community full of different people with different personalities and different senses of humor.

We were hanging out here on a dead thread made it our clubhouse and had a little party among ourselves. That does not degrade from RIU at all. What it does look like is that you, crypt and doc came here flamed the thing up and pointed fingers at everyone else.

During our conversation yesterday you made it seem like your overall goal was to make RIU a better place and what you are doing here is exactly the opposite of that.

You come here pretty much call BT a blowhard, tell him to kick rocks and proclaim the thread dead? Why? Yes this is a place to share information but it is also a community..without fun no one would hang out here, it would be a stop for information or more likely misinformation and people would move on.

I don't get it. Your actions here seem very counterproductive
 

fabfun

New Member
tell me where i once said bt is a blowhard or told him to kick rocks
and i wasnt referring to just the irish nun thread
but did u know it against rule to direct members to threads because they dont like the poster

i never said u guys dont help but that kind of action helps no one
and is negativity on forum

Exactly. No harm here just some fun..



Are you talking about the Irish nun mexican gangster with machine gun thread? If so that was a fictitious comedy thread and we were there in fun, it was a fun post in the first place.

I understand that you want to clean up RIU and its commendable to assist newbs and make sure they are not getting too much bad information but people are here as a community. A community full of different people with different personalities and different senses of humor.

We were hanging out here on a dead thread made it our clubhouse and had a little party among ourselves. That does not degrade from RIU at all. What it does look like is that you, crypt and doc came here flamed the thing up and pointed fingers at everyone else.

During our conversation yesterday you made it seem like your overall goal was to make RIU a better place and what you are doing here is exactly the opposite of that.

You come here pretty much call BT a blowhard, tell him to kick rocks and proclaim the thread dead? Why? Yes this is a place to share information but it is also a community..without fun no one would hang out here, it would be a stop for information or more likely misinformation and people would move on.

I don't get it. Your actions here seem very counterproductive
 

jyermum

Active Member
Ok .. I might have not been seeing what you were, thought you were talking about the irish nuns, which did wind up being a very entertaining and light hearted thread.

With BT it was all about the .." If you don't like it leave" type stuff. IMO the guy is either a walking encyclopedia or the best web searcher around because he drops facts at the drop of a dime. Whichever it is if i ever got the chance I would drain a bottle of single malt and burn bowls and talk story with him just to see what topics come up.

Don't get me wrong here I think you have a noble mission for the forum but to kick in the door and claim a thread that is having good fun for all to be closed just sucks.
 

fabfun

New Member
i said u seem incapable of decided if u want to stay or leave
if someone says this place sucks im leaving then keeps posting then i feel my remark well placed

and u need to go back and read i never said for thread to be closed
i dont believe


Ok .. I might have not been seeing what you were, thought you were talking about the irish nuns, which did wind up being a very entertaining and light hearted thread.

With BT it was all about the .." If you don't like it leave" type stuff. IMO the guy is either a walking encyclopedia or the best web searcher around because he drops facts at the drop of a dime. Whichever it is if i ever got the chance I would drain a bottle of single malt and burn bowls and talk story with him just to see what topics come up.

Don't get me wrong here I think you have a noble mission for the forum but to kick in the door and claim a thread that is having good fun for all to be closed just sucks.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
Ok .. I might have not been seeing what you were, thought you were talking about the irish nuns, which did wind up being a very entertaining and light hearted thread.

With BT it was all about the .." If you don't like it leave" type stuff. IMO the guy is either a walking encyclopedia or the best web searcher around because he drops facts at the drop of a dime. Whichever it is if i ever got the chance I would drain a bottle of single malt and burn bowls and talk story with him just to see what topics come up.

Don't get me wrong here I think you have a noble mission for the forum but to kick in the door and claim a thread that is having good fun for all to be closed just sucks.
Only a mod can close a thread and I thought the issue had been resolved. I'm not sure why you guys (some I should say) are getting defensive but it seems we share a common goal. Why are we working against one another?:?
 

Brick Top

New Member
i said u seem incapable of decided if u want to stay or leave
if someone says this place sucks im leaving then keeps posting then i feel my remark well placed


I said this site is going downhill and going downhill fast and it is only going to get worse and is will be losing the better members so people should be considering picking someplace else. As for me, ever since there were multiple sites like this I have always been a member of several or more at a time. I never have less that two or three windows open to grow sites and I said I am spending more active time on others but I am sticking around too here watching the train wreck that is going on. It would be impossible for you to find a message where I said what you claimed I said,, that; "im leaving."

Since that appeared to have been about me I will comment. This place is like a burning building or a car accident or a train wreck where people stand around and watch everything that happens right to the end. That is what I am doing, but not much more. Mt daily number of posts averaged over a dozen for ages. Until a recent flurry in one thread where it became more of an argument than a discussion I was down to slightly under 6 posts on average per day. The recent flurry has me back up to a bit over 8 per day, but it will drop back down to what it was, and likely lower and lower over time. I used to take PMs from anyone and everyone and at times had so many people asking for help that I literally could not keep up with them all and literally could sit here from morning into the very late night doing nothing but answering PMs. As soon as I would answer a few they would be replaced by follow up questions or new ones from someone else. Now only people listed as contacts can PM me.

I am not anywhere near as involved in this site as in the past and I am more involved in others. I have grown tired of offering facts to counter the myths and inaccuracies of others only to end up in the middle of a Mongolian cluster fuck because of it. More times than not when I read a question asked in a thread I figure why bother to answer? It will only end up in an argument because a handful of people who would be incapable of growing fungus between their toes let alone quality herb will argue their their believed myths and misconceptions and half-truths and total inaccuracies and old hippie folklore is correct and the facts I post are incorrect. So why bother? It is not worth the effort and it is also one of the signs of how and why this site has turned to shit and will only get worse.

If someone is looking for a medicinal strain I will post information that should be helpful to them and I will make the occasional comment, but most questions I would have answered in the past or things I would have commented on in the past will now go by without comment.

I will leave those things to be answered by people who preach myths and urban legends and misconceptions and total inaccuracies and half-truths and old hippie folklore and the trolls and wannabe gangstas that love to talk so rough and tough and and all those with a half dozen grows or less under their belt who try to talk like they are Ed Rosenthal but who in reality don't know dick and to those who the second they get a medical card believe it equates to a degree from Cannabis University and instantly transforms them into being horticulturalists specialized in cannabis plants and to those who water plants and sweep out the place and maybe help bag herb or even now and then help take cutting at dispensaries who believe their job makes them instant experts, even though they do not realize that they are like a janitor at NASA trying to claim to be a rocket scientist just because he sweeps the floors at NASA, and all the rest who are destroying this site.

Let them have it is what I say .. and everyone else should consider making travel plans.
 

fabfun

New Member
well i remember the other night trying to talk to you about this subject
i asked you why dont we all work together to try to make a change and stop this so called train wreck and was met with less the favorable replies to this
so i ask u again the same thing i asked u that night

I said this site is going downhill and going downhill fast and it is only going to get worse and is will be losing the better members so people should be considering picking someplace else. As for me, ever since there were multiple sites like this I have always been a member of several or more at a time. I never have less that two or three windows open to grow sites and I said I am spending more active time on others but I am sticking around too here watching the train wreck that is going on. It would be impossible for you to find a message where I said what you claimed I said,, that; "im leaving."

Since that appeared to have been about me I will comment. This place is like a burning building or a car accident or a train wreck where people stand around and watch everything that happens right to the end. That is what I am doing, but not much more. Mt daily number of posts averaged over a dozen for ages. Until a recent flurry in one thread where it became more of an argument than a discussion I was down to slightly under 6 posts on average per day. The recent flurry has me back up to a bit over 8 per day, but it will drop back down to what it was, and likely lower and lower over time. I used to take PMs from anyone and everyone and at times had so many people asking for help that I literally could not keep up with them all and literally could sit here from morning into the very late night doing nothing but answering PMs. As soon as I would answer a few they would be replaced by follow up questions or new ones from someone else. Now only people listed as contacts can PM me.

I am not anywhere near as involved in this site as in the past and I am more involved in others. I have grown tired of offering facts to counter the myths and inaccuracies of others only to end up in the middle of a Mongolian cluster fuck because of it. More times than not when I read a question asked in a thread I figure why bother to answer? It will only end up in an argument because a handful of people who would be incapable of growing fungus between their toes let alone quality herb will argue their their believed myths and misconceptions and half-truths and total inaccuracies and old hippie folklore is correct and the facts I post are incorrect. So why bother? It is not worth the effort and it is also one of the signs of how and why this site has turned to shit and will only get worse.

If someone is looking for a medicinal strain I will post information that should be helpful to them and I will make the occasional comment, but most questions I would have answered in the past or things I would have commented on in the past will now go by without comment.

I will leave those things to be answered by people who preach myths and urban legends and misconceptions and total inaccuracies and half-truths and old hippie folklore and the trolls and wannabe gangstas that love to talk so rough and tough and and all those with a half dozen grows or less under their belt who try to talk like they are Ed Rosenthal but who in reality don't know dick and to those who the second they get a medical card believe it equates to a degree from Cannabis University and instantly transforms them into being horticulturalists specialized in cannabis plants and to those who water plants and sweep out the place and maybe help bag herb or even now and then help take cutting at dispensaries who believe their job makes them instant experts, even though they do not realize that they are like a janitor at NASA trying to claim to be a rocket scientist just because he sweeps the floors at NASA, and all the rest who are destroying this site.

Let them have it is what I say .. and everyone else should consider making travel plans.
 

Brick Top

New Member
well i remember the other night trying to talk to you about this subject
i asked you why dont we all work together to try to make a change and stop this so called train wreck and was met with less the favorable replies to this
so i ask u again the same thing i asked u that night
How can you rid the site of belligerent trolls? How can you turn around the all to pervasive deeply entrenched ignorance that is passed around as factual knowledge here? How can you rid the site of what obviously are many kids who should not be here and their total lack of maturity is constantly a problem. How can you rid the site of the influx of the wannabe gangsta types who love to talk like they are Crips or Bloods and try to talk all rough and tough and abusive and abrasive and even at times threatening and are just one more of the many disruptive influences here? How can you get rid of or shut up or change the total jerks/trolls that are the 'protected sacred cows' of some mods here who let them get away with murder but when someone else commits a jaywalking level offense they are given infractions or temporary banishment?

It would not be right of me to do what I would consider breaking a trust and telling in any detail what several mods have told me in PMs, but they know there are major problems with the site, and some of them are some of those behind the curtain helping to run the site. There were talks about changing some policies and some personnel, but support from the top has dwindled and the final OK from the top has not been given, not for months and months now, so the known problems are not being allowed to be dealt with and needed changes are not being allowed to be made. How can you or I or any of the membership alter that?

In nations with at least more or less honest free elections people voice their displeasure and disapproval through their vote and even if in the end their votes do not bring about the positive changes they believed they would and hoped they would they at least have some chance to try to change the system. In nations where elections are jokes or elections are not held people voice their displeasure and disapproval with their feet ... they leave and go to a nation where they will have a better chance to live a better life.

No elections are held here so which of the two examples above best fit the situation here?

You cannot bring about change here by leading by example. That will not change the immature kids or the total jerks or the trolls or the 'protected sacred cows' or those who are ignorant and it will not bring about much needed changes behind the RIU curtain.

Not to attempt to portray myself as some paragon of virtue because rather than elevate anyone here I have instead been drug down closer to the levels of others and can at times be a major belligerent. But in most cases where I have ended up in some Mongolian cluster fuck argument it all began when I posted facts, and most of those times doing so without making any sort of direct personal comment towards anyone. In response has often been a tsunami of trolling and personal attacks to which more and more over time I responded to on the same level as they were made due to being fed up with it all.

I have always been blunt and straightforward and always called a spade a spade and I will not candy coat things, and that does rub some, or many, people the wrong way. But often all I did was post factual information without any comments whatsoever and the responses that resulted from that were most times not any attempt to discuss facts or an attempt to refute the facts and instead mostly or strictly personal. That is because of the type or caliber or quality of person so many members here are. How will you change them? A leopard cannot change it's spots and it has no wish or desire to change it's spots, so how can you change a leopard's spots for them, when it would be against their will and wishes?

How will you change these people who are nothing more than the result of a total waste of a sperm and an egg from what they now are and what they will always be into being decent people? How will you increase their level of intelligence to a point where they will then be capable of understanding and accepting that facts are facts and inaccurate beliefs are inaccurate beliefs and never the twain shall meet? How will you change the Internet tough guys who like to make themselves sound like they could kick the collective asses of an entire Navy SEAL team and say that it what they would do to you if they had the chance, or like some who will say things like why don't you come on down to Burnt Scrotum New Mexico so I can take you apart and teach you a lesson, just because they disagree with what you say about growing? How will you change the person with an almost nonexistent breeder and or strain comparative base to rely on who insists they know everything about every strain and breeder that ever existed and will argue until the cows come home that their inaccurate perceptions are accurate? How will you change those who believe that only their personal tastes or likes in herb equate to quality and anyone whose preferences differ smoke nothing but schwag and they will always rip the person they are telling that to a new one rather than just accept that some people prefer like chocolate ice cream over vanilla and that preference does not create highest quality? How will you change the basement breeder who bred two plants from two packs of seeds and insists they created 'The Holy Grail' and are more skilled and talented than professional breeders who might start out with 1000 male plants and 1000 female plants and from there work for 3, 5, 7 or 10 years trying to create the very best they can before releasing it, how are you going to stop them from boasting about what they consider to be their unparallelled breeding skills and starting shit storms? How will you change those who are clearly pimps for some certain breeder and will mislead others every chance they get just so one more person will purchase from the breeder they love and purchase a strain they love over purchasing elsewhere and purchasing a strain that would more suit their taste and likes? How will you cause do nothing MIA mods to do their jobs and do them well? How will you make some mod abandon their 'protected sacred cow' members and treat everyone equally? How will you remove the vindictiveness of a mod who dislikes someone and is incapable of performing their duties without allowing their personal feelings to interfere with the performance of their duties and because of that are incapable of creating and preserving equality for all?

Do you believe that you can convince everyone here to sit around a big Internet campfire and hold cyber-hands and sing Kumbaya and then everything will change for the better?

This site has a massive infestation of sick infected disease spreading vermin and the site itself is in an advanced stage of internal dry rot and is in danger of structural collapse. It would take a miracle for this site to ever be transformed into what I one believed it could be. The disease ridden vermin would have to be eradicated and the internal structure itself would need to be rebuilt to provide site structural integrity.

No offense intended but I rather doubt that you are a miracle worker, a wizard with a magic wand, a genie from a lamp that can transform this crumbling site and no million member march will alter it in the least unless they all march to some other grow site or grow sites because then and only then will the Wizard of RIU sit up and take notice and realize that unless sweeping major changes are made there will be no raising of the Titanic.
 
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