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RPM371

RPM371

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MuyLocoNC said:
But then, my 300 WinMag will force grown men to stop after 1-2 shots. I rarely shoot more than 10 before my shoulder says stop.

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Ain't that the truth! The first time I fired a .300 WinMag the first words out of my mouth were "Holy shit!". I thought my Mod98 Mauser was a beast until I fired the 300. You could take down an elephant with that thing!
 
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ChesusRice

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MuyLocoNC said:
I would disagree completely. Compared to the recoil of my Sig 229 40 cal, every 9mm I've shot feels like a 22. I do love the caliber, but it does kick a bit. But then, my 300 WinMag will force grown men to stop after 1-2 shots. I rarely shoot more than 10 before my shoulder says stop.

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.40s dont kick
They torque. My opinion.
.45s kick
.40s (everyone I have shot) try to twist your wrist back to the right and up.

And if you are talkin home defense not carry
Nothing will ever beat a shotgun
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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ChesusRice said:
.40s dont kick
They torque. My opinion.
.45s kick
.40s (everyone I have shot) try to twist your wrist back to the right and up.

And if you are talkin home defense not carry
Nothing will ever beat a shotgun
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Kick is definitely a relative term. Recoil certainly fits the bill as well. If it's going right or left, that sounds more like inconsistencies in the user's grip. You certainly get more with the shorter frame models.

I'd love to have a short-barreled, semi-auto, tactical for the home. I've seen some really nice Saiga 12 conversions that may come home with me in the near future. But after just dropping almost $1500 on my Remington Versa Max a couple of weeks ago, my wife might shit the bed if I spent double that on another shotgun.
 
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ChesusRice

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MuyLocoNC said:
Kick is definitely a relative term. Recoil certainly fits the bill as well. If it's going right or left, that sounds more like inconsistencies in the user's grip. You certainly get more with the shorter frame models.

I'd love to have a short-barreled, semi-auto, tactical for the home. I've seen some really nice Saiga 12 conversions that may come home with me in the near future. But after just dropping almost $1500 on my Remington Versa Max a couple of weeks ago, my wife might shit the bed if I spent double that on another shotgun.
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Recoil is the correct word
And as far as grip
If it was a grip problem it would transfer over to the sig sauer and SA .45
I have shot the sig in .40 and the S&W .40 sigma and it is a completly different animal in regards to recoil
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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desert dude said:
There is not much ballistic difference between the .45 and the .40.

Glock 22 with fifteen rounds in the magazine versus a 1911 with seven rounds in the magazine. No contest, but I realize that is only my opinion. I won't dispute that the 1911 is a beautiful piece of machinery, though, and the Glock is pretty "meh".
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To me the big diff evolves from cartridge pressure. The .40 barks like the high-pressure cartridge it is. The .45 with its surprisingly modest maximum won't deafen me as badly as the nominally higher-performance cartridges. I'll recover situational command faster. This is from a home defender's bias. If i carried, the efficiency of the small hi-press cartridges would be attractive.
 
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ilikecheetoes

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ChesusRice said:
If you have to shoot

how you going to miss in stairways and hallways? And if it is dark you are only going to get one good shot anyways
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a lot of time on the range. Laser pointer, red dot sight.
Its not the shotgun part of it. I dont like working a shotgun or any long gun in tight spaces. One reason Im not a fan of an AR for home defense.
Might be fine for some but when I did the close quarters training I didnt like working with long guns.

Now a sawed off shotgun with a folding stock would be optimum. But youll have to hide it when the cops show up... which makes it shitty for home defense.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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cannabineer said:
To me the big diff evolves from cartridge pressure. The .40 barks like the high-pressure cartridge it is. The .45 with its surprisingly modest maximum won't deafen me as badly as the nominally higher-performance cartridges. I'll recover situational command faster. This is from a home defender's bias. If i carried, the efficiency of the small hi-press cartridges would be attractive.
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I have fired both and I see little difference in terms of noise level or recoil. I am comfortable with the glock 22, have fired thousands of rounds through mine and trained with it at Frontsight, so it is my choice. I also prefer the quasi double action of the glock from a safety perspective.

Your mileage may vary.
 
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ChesusRice

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ilikecheetoes said:
a lot of time on the range. Laser pointer, red dot sight.
Its not the shotgun part of it. I dont like working a shotgun or any long gun in tight spaces. One reason Im not a fan of an AR for home defense.
Might be fine for some but when I did the close quarters training I didnt like working with long guns.

Now a sawed off shotgun with a folding stock would be optimum. But youll have to hide it when the cops show up... which makes it shitty for home defense.
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ar is total shit for home defense
Unless you are counting the perimeter of your property and invading zombie hordes
 
Kdog988

Kdog988

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I think i will stick to the raging judge for my home defense. Shoots .45 .410 and 454 casul rounds. Only holds five but in a house at close distance how many shots are you really gunna fire
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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ChesusRice said:
You throw it at the 6th
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It's why I think a shotgun is better, less chance of penetrating a wall and killing a family member, 5+1 on alot of brands and it takes milliseconds to jam an extra shell or two in, should there be a "crowd".

Plus, how could you miss?!

Lol.
 
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ChesusRice

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Harrekin said:
It's why I think a shotgun is better, less chance of penetrating a wall and killing a family member, 5+1 on alot of brands and it takes milliseconds to jam an extra shell or two in, should there be a "crowd".

Plus, how could you miss?!

Lol.
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Shotgun just doesn't havE that uber tactical warrior feel to it. Still the best home defense weapon
Last week an elderly couple killed an escape Convict who invaded their home and took them hostage. With one shot to the torso
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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ChesusRice said:
Shotgun just doesn't havE that uber tactical warrior feel to it. Still the best home defense weapon
Last week an elderly couple killed an escape Convict who invaded their home and took them hostage. With one shot to the torso
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Might not be uber tacticalz and 1337...but when you pump that beast, you've the powers of a wrathful God in your hands.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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Harrekin said:
Might not be uber tacticalz and 1337...but when you pump that beast, you've the powers of a wrathful God in your hands.
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Shotguns are cool, I will give you that, but I prefer a handgun for home defense. Confined spaces and all.

I have a Browning Citori that I use to shoot skeet... a lot of fun.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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desert dude said:
Shotguns are cool, I will give you that, but I prefer a handgun for home defense. Confined spaces and all.

I have a Browning Citori that I use to shoot skeet... a lot of fun.
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I'm sure a handgun is useful, I wouldn't know, they took all ours off us a few years back.

So shotgun or rifle it has to be, and a rifle is almost guaranteed to cause collateral damage.
 
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