Twitter users bully woman into committing suicide for branding her homophobic

twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Fogdog said:
Do you have a point to make or just criticizing a truly awful analogy?
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point is what if that hoe were an underwater welder and she turned jobs down below 100ft because she deemed it too risky.....i suppose she would have to take what depth she is told to take statistics be damned.

you're in like in your own fucked up pc conundrum. you're saying the bisexual was homophobic towards the other bisexual she refused sex with. it's just a fucking stupid argument.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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twostrokenut said:
point is what if that hoe were an underwater welder and she turned jobs down below 100ft because she deemed it too risky.....i suppose she would have to take what depth she is told to take statistics be damned.

you're in like in your own fucked up pc conundrum. you're saying the bisexual was homophobic towards the other bisexual she refused sex with. it's just a fucking stupid argument.
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why did you videotape another man's child sucking on a popsicle and then tell people to vote for a serial pedophile in alabama?
 
ginjawarrior

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Fogdog said:
she sent a message to a co-worker implying that she shouldn't risk sex with gay men. Also criticized agents who "don't care" when they book jobs that include sex with gay or bisexual men. The implications are that gay men are too risky for women to work with.
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she sent a message saying that her agent had tried tricking her into a shoot with men who had done gay porn

if she had told the agent previously that she was not prepared to do that style of shoot then it becomes a consent issue

if you goto her twitter feed there are plenty of people from the porn industry saying its quite normal for women to not want to sleep with crossovers

i think anyone one of those would have wanted to know about agents who were going against the wishes/ consent of the actors
You posted good stuff and did your work. I'll use your numbers.

1.1 million in the US have HIV
67% are G or B men
so
737,000 G or B men have HIV
239,000 others have HIV

323 million people in the US

If exposure rates are random,
0.22% chance of exposure to HIV from G or B men,
0.074% chance of exposure to HIV from others
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you can not compare the rate of infection in gay men to the entire population of the usa.........

Men who have sex with men in the USA
Men who have sex with men (MSM) are most affected by HIV in the USA, accounting for more than two-thirds of all new HIV diagnoses in the country.9New infections are on the increase, increasing by 9% between 2010 and 2014.10

If current diagnosis rates continue, one in six men American men who have sex with men will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime. There are significant disparities by race as this equates to one in two African American/black men who have sex with men, one in four Hispanic/Latino men who have sex with men and one in 11 white men who have sex with men.11
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https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/western-central-europe-north-america/usa
Breaking down the numbers, that 67% figure which sounds horrendous is really really small in terms of random chance. Even doubling the chances the risk is still pretty small. With screening tests, the number doesn't go to zero but it's cut from really, really small to virtually zero. Choosing only other partners only reduces random chance by about 0.13%. In other words, this is a perception of risk and not real.
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as i showed above these numbers you came to do not reflect the reality

not only that but could you imagine sitting down an giving those numbers to someone you wanted to have sex with as a way to convince you didnt have a condom??

"yes i know you could get aids or hepitius but if you look at these numbers i pulled out of my arse you'll find that the risk is actually rather low so i dont need to wear protection"

you would get slapped rightfully

sex workers AKA pornstars regular testing or not are subject to much different risks than the general population and are more than within their rights to choose what risk they are prepared to take..

When the recently departed star said:
“Whichever (lady) performer is replacing me tomorrow for @EroticaXNew , you’re shooting with a guy who has shot gay porn, just to let cha know.

“Do agents really not care about who they’re representing? I do my homework for my body.”

I suppose you can interpret this differently
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yes you can quite easily. it certainly isnt the best worded but what do you expect from a platform that has limited caracters

theres a saying you should all keep in mind before you jump abourd the outrage train with your pitchforks and torches

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

but I read her advising others to not work with a guy who has shot gay porn. In other words, she's advocating a boycott by female porn stars on guys who are gay. This is her right, but it's completely homophobic and she deserved the blowback that she got. Gay and bisexual men have a right to work too. Smearing all of them as high HIV risk is a bigoted thing to do.
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yeah and i read it as her informing the people that she works with. that has already decided to not work with gay porn workers that an agent is going against what was agreed and trying to sneak in gay/bi pornstars.

you know a consent violation that her fellow workers should know about



but hey none of that part matters now because you and your lynchmob got your pound of flesh and someone is dead because of it
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Fogdog said:
she sent a message to a co-worker implying that she shouldn't risk sex with gay men. Also criticized agents who "don't care" when they book jobs that include sex with gay or bisexual men. The implications are that gay men are too risky for women to work with.

You posted good stuff and did your work. I'll use your numbers.

1.1 million in the US have HIV
67% are G or B men
so
737,000 G or B men have HIV
239,000 others have HIV

323 million people in the US

If exposure rates are random,
0.22% chance of exposure to HIV from G or B men,
0.074% chance of exposure to HIV from others

Breaking down the numbers, that 67% figure which sounds horrendous is really really small in terms of random chance. Even doubling the chances the risk is still pretty small. With screening tests, the number doesn't go to zero but it's cut from really, really small to virtually zero. Choosing only other partners only reduces random chance by about 0.13%. In other words, this is a perception of risk and not real.

When the recently departed star said:
“Whichever (lady) performer is replacing me tomorrow for @EroticaXNew , you’re shooting with a guy who has shot gay porn, just to let cha know.

“Do agents really not care about who they’re representing? I do my homework for my body.”

I suppose you can interpret this differently but I read her advising others to not work with a guy who has shot gay porn. In other words, she's advocating a boycott by female porn stars on guys who are gay. This is her right, but it's completely homophobic and she deserved the blowback that she got. Gay and bisexual men have a right to work too. Smearing all of them as high HIV risk is a bigoted thing to do.

sources:
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/data-and-trends/statistics
United States Census Bureau, World Bank
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5083571/august-ames-dead-at-23-porn-star-suspected-suicide-trolls/
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It makes me a bit annoyed that idiots continue but don't actually respond to strong arguments like this. In any case this whole "debate" is so sensational because people can point to this poor girl and ignore public health concerns and harmful market trends that lead to real suffering by many people. Want to talk about a dead girl? Want to use her death as a way to keep people from talking about how porn ruins libido and regularly consumes young women? I think some people just want to keep being homophobic shitstains and jerking off to brutality porn.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ginjawarrior said:
she sent a message saying that her agent had tried tricking her into a shoot with men who had done gay porn

if she had told the agent previously that she was not prepared to do that style of shoot then it becomes a consent issue

if you goto her twitter feed there are plenty of people from the porn industry saying its quite normal for women to not want to sleep with crossovers

i think anyone one of those would have wanted to know about agents who were going against the wishes/ consent of the actors

you can not compare the rate of infection in gay men to the entire population of the usa.........


https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/western-central-europe-north-america/usa

as i showed above these numbers you came to do not reflect the reality

not only that but could you imagine sitting down an giving those numbers to someone you wanted to have sex with as a way to convince you didnt have a condom??

"yes i know you could get aids or hepitius but if you look at these numbers i pulled out of my arse you'll find that the risk is actually rather low so i dont need to wear protection"

you would get slapped rightfully

sex workers AKA pornstars regular testing or not are subject to much different risks than the general population and are more than within their rights to choose what risk they are prepared to take..


yes you can quite easily. it certainly isnt the best worded but what do you expect from a platform that has limited caracters

theres a saying you should all keep in mind before you jump abourd the outrage train with your pitchforks and torches

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."



yeah and i read it as her informing the people that she works with. that has already decided to not work with gay porn workers that an agent is going against what was agreed and trying to sneak in gay/bi pornstars.

you know a consent violation that her fellow workers should know about



but hey none of that part matters now because you and your lynchmob got your pound of flesh and someone is dead because of it
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Jumble the numbers however you like, population statistics remain. Whether the man is gay, bisexual or other, the difference in risk of HIV exposure is practically the same, that is unless you want to obsess over 0.13% higher risk.. With testing, risk from either group does not go to zero but becomes virtually so. A risk the departed woman was taking that she could control was unprotected sex. She clearly didn't understand what the real risks were.

It's completely up to her whether or not to work with somebody else. Where she crossed the line was to tell other female actresses they should boycott movies that included scenes with gay or bisexual men. Those people were reasonably outraged at her threat to their ability to work.

From the emotional response this argument garners, and the way you cherry pick statistics to support your argument, I can only conclude that you have a homophobic preconception of your own. There is no logical or rational response to your emotion. You have to look within yourself to fix that.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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abandonconflict said:
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It makes me a bit annoyed that idiots continue but don't actually respond to strong arguments like this. In any case this whole "debate" is so sensational because people can point to this poor girl and ignore public health concerns and harmful market trends that lead to real suffering by many people. Want to talk about a dead girl? Want to use her death as a way to keep people from talking about how porn ruins libido and regularly consumes young women? I think some people just want to keep being homophobic shitstains and jerking off to brutality porn.
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So many times we hear "I'm not racist but, " or "I have friends who are gay, but ". Apparently, these people don't realize what they go on to say after the "but" word is exactly the opposite of what they claim.
 
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srh88

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twostrokenut said:
point is what if that hoe were an underwater welder and she turned jobs down below 100ft because she deemed it too risky.....i suppose she would have to take what depth she is told to take statistics be damned.

you're in like in your own fucked up pc conundrum. you're saying the bisexual was homophobic towards the other bisexual she refused sex with. it's just a fucking stupid argument.
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If an underwater welder worked for someone else and refused to do the job. They'd be finding a new job after they got fired most likely.

The dead chick took to Twitter like a moron and got upset over the internet like a bigger moron.

But people are using it as a way to blame "cyber bullying"
Her past issues are a bigger part of this than twitter
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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Fogdog said:
Jumble the numbers however you like, population statistics remain. Whether the man is gay, bisexual or other, the difference in risk of HIV exposure is practically the same, that is unless you want to obsess over 0.13% higher risk.. With testing, risk from either group does not go to zero but becomes virtually so. A risk departed woman was taking was unprotected sex. She clearly didn't understand what the real risks were.
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lets revist about how you managed to get to your numbers

you assumed random distribution across the entire population that is the chnace of coming across someone hiv postive picking anyone at random from birth to death

that randomness becomes irelevent once you decide it will be someone from the gay comunity that you'l be having sex with

i'm going to be generous with the numbers and assume 2% of total population is male gay/bi (instead of 1.15% as i showed in my numbers earlier)

323 million people and 2 percent of that is 6.46 million gay or bisexual men

your numbers were
737,000 G or B men have HIV

that means 11.4% of the gay population has got the hiv virus

over 1in 10 have the hiv virus

please so me where i am wrong
It's completely up to her whether or not to work with somebody else. Where she crossed the line was to tell other female actresses they should boycott movies that included scenes with gay or bisexual men. Those people were reasonably outraged at her threat to their ability to work.
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she didnt call for a boycot.............................
From the emotional response this argument garners, and the way you cherry pick statistics to support your argument, I can only conclude that you have a homophobic preconception of your own. There is no logical or rational response to your emotion. You have to look within yourself to fix that.
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cherry picking statistics?

you made up rubbish numbers in support of your argument


i wouldn't be so quick to call me homophobic you have absolutley no idea
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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Fogdog said:
This is where you are wrong.
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you'll have to expand on this because im pretty sure this is a discussion about a sex worker who has decided that she will not sleep with memebers of that comuntiy because of the risk...

you dont seem to be arguing with the numbers here even though they show a much higher risk than you portrayed
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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Fogdog said:
This is where you are wrong
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show your work?

you mentioned in a post earlier about people having a gay friend so it ok for their veiw (ok paraphrasing )

heres something i didnt want anyone here to know (as with the rest of my sexuality) as every little bit of personal information of yourself here gets used as a hammer

i am bisexual, i not only have had sex with women but i have also have had sex with men. and will continue into the future having sex with both

i will not pretend that there isnt a problem with hiv amoungst basicly the people i have sex with

now heres a question for you

what horse have you in this game?
 
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