With Democrats like these who needs Republicans?

Fogdog

Fogdog

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see4 said:
So we punish those who've managed to pay? What about the folks who hold up their end of the contract?

Shiiiit, gimmi my Tree Fiddy dollars!
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Parents did not pay my tuition, they didn't have the money. I worked while going through college for my double major and didn't accrue student debt. I think taking on debt for an intangible at that stage of life is a dumb idea. I thought the same when going through college too. I worked my ass off to avoid it. There was a trade-off between study time, sleep and work time that I had to make. I did fine after college but I could have done better while in college. That said, I came out of school debt free which gave me flexibility in career choices during a critical time and it paid off.

I get your point. Your point about fairness is not wrong its just not important. Was the recent corporate tax cut fair? Especially when it will be paid for by the government accruing debt that people to be named later will have to pay? Fairness doesn't seem to be applied when the wealthy get their vig in exchange for 2018 campaign donations.

The result from wiping off student debt isn't particularly efficient -- it's not as if forgiveness of student loans immediately pumps money into the economy. So, why do I think it's a good idea? What it does is address economic harm to the generation that entered the workforce in the teeth of the depression we are sill recovering from. By wiping away student debt, they will be able to move forward more quickly into other acts that do help the economy going forward, such as taking the risk of working for a start-up or having kids or buying a home.

This is why we need a good debate in congress over what to do with students who are deep in debt and still dealing with the remnants of the recent economic depression. Regarding fairness, something can be worked out to salve the burn that people who sacrifice to pay down student debt will feel if that is deemed important enough.
 
see4

see4

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Fogdog said:
Was the recent corporate tax cut fair? Especially when it will be paid for by the government accruing debt that people to be named later will have to pay? Fairness doesn't seem to be applied when the wealthy get their vig in exchange for 2018 campaign donations.
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This Trump tax cut is a fucking joke. The Republicans in office right now are a fucking joke. This tax plan is literally a dole out for the rich, it's pathetic. And they aren't even hiding it.

Fogdog said:
By wiping away student debt, they will be able to move forward more quickly into other acts that do help the economy going forward, such as taking the risk of working for a start-up or having kids or buying a home.
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I disagree with this premise. The unemployment rate is lower now than it was when I entered the workforce. Those who had student loans, paid them and are continuing to pay to the best of their ability. -- You are implying that because they owe such a large amount they should simply be able to wipe the slate clean. -- What they should do is make an attempt to pay what they can, like paying back old taxes. ( except that taxes are funny money, Rob Roy? )

Fogdog said:
This is why we need a good debate in congress over what to do with students who are deep in debt and still dealing with the remnants of the recent economic depression. Regarding fairness, something can be worked out to salve the burn that people who sacrifice to pay down student debt will feel if that is deemed important enough.
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Taking on student loans and an economic collapse are not related, and should not be considered related. Though I understand your premise and to a degree, I agree.

Maybe a solution would be to forgo interest and penalties on loans and allow the borrower to pay back what they can in perpetuity? I mean carrying a student loan that you pay on looks really good on credit reports.

You are also implying that people that choose to go to a school like University of Phoenix or Fullsail with a degree in data entry or film critic, should expect a high paying degree right out of school. That is the fault of the borrower, not the lender. If a student borrows $100,000 to go to some place like UNC or USC or UofA with a marketable degree, they should expect to get a good job in today's market and have the ability to pay back the loan.

I have friends.. 20 years later who are still paying their loan. They make about $80,000 a year, and own a home and have kids and 2 cars and a normal life. They make it work.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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thenotsoesoteric said:
What data? Seems like a hard thing to quantify.

And yes I mean we the people should pay for equal education. I don't get the logic of a $700+billion dollar war budget but then crying about education cost. Again, its cool, we'll just keep bringing in those immigrants you conservs love so much to do the jobs our moronic masses can no longer do. Trump it bro
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Brookings institute did a study a few years ago. do those three things and your chance of being impoverished is 2% and there's a 75% chance of being middle class.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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thenotsoesoteric said:
What data? Seems like a hard thing to quantify.

And yes I mean we the people should pay for equal education. I don't get the logic of a $700+billion dollar war budget but then crying about education cost. Again, its cool, we'll just keep bringing in those immigrants you conservs love so much to do the jobs our moronic masses can no longer do. Trump it bro
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oh I'm not happy about that war budget one bit and it would be the first thing I'd cut for sure but I wouldn't be so quick to allocate that elsewhere.

I would pay that forward to the taxpayer and do a trickle up thing. 700b instant tax cut, let the people use that for college or new PlayStations and motorcyles, whatever. maybe not "free" but it would be a lot closer to "free" than it is now.
 
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ttystikk

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Yep, with Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?

Y'all have no one but yourselves to blame for the Trainwreck that was America.

Thanks for playing.
 
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londonfog

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ttystikk said:
Yep, with Democrats like, who needs Republicans?

Y'all have no one but yourselves to blame for the Trainwreck that was America.

Thanks for playing.
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If you think Dems are worst or even the same as Repukes, you need to stay the fuck out of politics. Like your girl @schuylaar you are a very low informed voter. Tell us again how amazed you were at being at your first Caucus as a fifty year old.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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londonfog said:
If you think Dems are worst or even the same as Repukes, you need to stay the fuck out of politics. Like your girl @schuylaar you are a very low informed voter. Tell us again how amazed you were at being at your first Caucus as a fifty year old.
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I was more amazed at the small percentage of participants. But I'm guessing you missed that part.
 
londonfog

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ttystikk said:
I was more amazed at the small percentage of participants. But I'm guessing you missed that part.
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you're new to politics. Do more listening.
If you think the Democrats are the same as Repukes, it would be best if you just stayed the fuck out of politics all together. Devote your time to creating wicker baskets or something
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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londonfog said:
you're new to politics. Do more listening.
If you think the Democrats are the same as Repukes, it would be best if you just stayed the fuck out of politics all together. Devote your time to creating wicker baskets or something
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Your faith is as quaint as it is outdated.
 
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