Woomeister
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So with all the recent activity in N.Korea how should the international community respond?
North Korea-What should be done?
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TheBrutalTruth
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Well for starters perhaps you could pop some links up to exactly what you are talking about...
... but at a guess, unless they've invaded South Korea (They'd be insane to go after China) then why do anything.
Now, if they've fired rockets over Taiwan or Towards Japan, perhaps we can send a couple boomers to one side of North Korea and let them practice lobbing missiles across North Korea. You know, remind the North Koreans that they aren't the only ones that can be assholes...
Kingb420
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people need to wake up, these people are ready to nuke someone. say goodby to your KIA cars, cause there gonna take S. korea off the map, and an attempt for U.S is a #2.
Lets just go talk to the guy... i have predicted this will be the start of WW3.
once S.korea is attacked, the U.S will get involved, and i believe the U.S will not like the fact that china sold them the plutonium... AND dont forget about Japan, there sweating bullets right now, but ready to level them too...
Lets just go talk to the guy... i have predicted this will be the start of WW3.
once S.korea is attacked, the U.S will get involved, and i believe the U.S will not like the fact that china sold them the plutonium... AND dont forget about Japan, there sweating bullets right now, but ready to level them too...
olosto
New Member
Its no big deal really. They only blew up an atomic weapon the size of Nagasaki..
Yea, what to do. These guys are crazy..
TheBrutalTruth
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Yeah...
Though it doesn't sound like it was the size of the Nagasaki Event, but slightly smaller.
Though, I think the only option that is left is to welcome them back into the community of nations on the condition that they permit inspections of their nuclear facilities and inventory by the international community.
We have tried to make them international pariahs.
Perhaps Obama will prove that he meant what he said about reaching out to nations like Iran by actually reaching out to a nation like Iran (North Korea.)
Screw the $25 Billion in aid to Africa, if it's necessary to give that money to North Korea to get them to allow inventorying of their nuclear arsenal and their weapons production facilities and to not sell on the black market it is a cheap price.
I can not bear to think about the Kharmic Debt that the United States would have on its soul if through our grandstanding we lead to the usage of a Nuclear Weapon against ourselves, against Europe, against Japan, against South Korea or against Israel.
To paraphrase a book I read recently (Empire by something Card (same guy that wrote Ender's Game))
If you are dealing with a dog that bites and snarls at you there are few good options open to you. Firstly, if you beat the dog then you are just left with a beaten dog, and the problem is not resolved. If you kill the dog then you have a dead dog, but if you remove the reasons why it bites and snarls at you the problem is resolved. The dog is still alive and isn't even your enemy.
The only course we have is to sit down and find out exactly what the North Koreans want and if it is with in our power give it to them.
While the above may represent a great expense it is ultimately better than having the blood of millions on our hands through our failure to act.
Or we can say fuck all that mushy bullshit and erase them from the map, but then we are no better than they are, and thus that is ultimately not a solution.
Perhaps Obama will prove that he's not a bigot by reaching out to the North Koreans
TheBrutalTruth
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We could give South Korea Nukes and thus allow North Korea and South Korea stare at each other over the tips of their Nukes.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/26/nkorea.test/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
If that's all they want then why not extend it to them?
Oh, for that to work South Korea would have to recognize them, which means they would have to recognize South Korea. However, if both NK and SK are willing to do that then I do not see any reason why we wont give them Normal Diplomatic Relations and a NAP (a promise not to attack them with out provocation.) A NAP would not necessarily mean that we wouldn't be able to carpet bomb them with nukes if we find out that they sold nukes that were used to terrorists, because by selling those nukes to a nation that was going to attack us they would have been creating a reason for us to go to war with them.
Could even have that spelled out in the Non-Aggression Pact. The United States will not attack North Korea unless they attack any other nation first, or provide nuclear weapons to states or other entities that then use them against any other nation.
jrh72582
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We have nukes. Many other countries have nukes. Even though I hate Kim Jong Il, why can't they pursue nukes if we have them and everyone else has them?
It's like gun control. The US would have a very hard time (rightfully so) outlawing the manufacture and sale of guns, but if they did, then you wouldn't be able to own a gun. If you tried to own a gun (North Korea), the government would punish you. Even though you're simply trying to level the playing field in the purchase of your gun, and taking into account the fact that you may be a back-country racist redneck (not alluding to anyone here) or that you may be an upstanding citizen, the government would then make a judgment and take your gun. How would that make you feel? Who are they to take your right to bear arms?
Of course, this logic is contingent upon the fact that pursuing nuclear weapons in a sovereign state is a right (which I think it is).
What do y'all think?
It's like gun control. The US would have a very hard time (rightfully so) outlawing the manufacture and sale of guns, but if they did, then you wouldn't be able to own a gun. If you tried to own a gun (North Korea), the government would punish you. Even though you're simply trying to level the playing field in the purchase of your gun, and taking into account the fact that you may be a back-country racist redneck (not alluding to anyone here) or that you may be an upstanding citizen, the government would then make a judgment and take your gun. How would that make you feel? Who are they to take your right to bear arms?
Of course, this logic is contingent upon the fact that pursuing nuclear weapons in a sovereign state is a right (which I think it is).
What do y'all think?
Rob Roy
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Technically speaking I believe N.Korea and S.Korea are still at war. A cease fire was negotiated in 1953 but there was no peace treaty signed. Far as I know the U.S.A. has had a military presence in S.Korea since 1950...I wonder what the cumulative cost of this has been for almost 60 years. I have a son in the marines, stationed in Japan and possibly some time in S.Korea so any input I have about what we should do over there may be skewed by my desire to
avoid armed conflict in the far east. His "specialty" is amphibious assault ... I hope we're not planning a ground invasion.
First I'll play devils advocate - Why should we do anything? We have plenty of nuclear weapons what gives us the right to deny them to anyone else? The USA is the only country that has nuked anyone else when we fried hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens in Nagasaki and Hiroshima during WW II.
Maybe we should let China and Japan take care of their neighbor and stay out of it, but then how could we maintain being the world police so THAT isn't gonna happen.
A pre-emptive strike by us against N.Korea may wake up China which could be bad for us militarily...besides who'd make the crap that we buy at Walmart if we were at odds with China?
Why not stage a military coup, whack the leader of N. Korea and put in our puppet? Be alot cheaper than a long drawn out war...course the military industrial complex wouldn't make much money then so maybe we won't do that.
So that leaves us with diplomacy, sanctions and wagging our finger saying tsk tsk.
avoid armed conflict in the far east. His "specialty" is amphibious assault ... I hope we're not planning a ground invasion.
First I'll play devils advocate - Why should we do anything? We have plenty of nuclear weapons what gives us the right to deny them to anyone else? The USA is the only country that has nuked anyone else when we fried hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens in Nagasaki and Hiroshima during WW II.
Maybe we should let China and Japan take care of their neighbor and stay out of it, but then how could we maintain being the world police so THAT isn't gonna happen.
A pre-emptive strike by us against N.Korea may wake up China which could be bad for us militarily...besides who'd make the crap that we buy at Walmart if we were at odds with China?
Why not stage a military coup, whack the leader of N. Korea and put in our puppet? Be alot cheaper than a long drawn out war...course the military industrial complex wouldn't make much money then so maybe we won't do that.
So that leaves us with diplomacy, sanctions and wagging our finger saying tsk tsk.
Johnnyorganic
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My thoughts exactly.
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"Of course, this logic is contingent upon the fact that pursuing nuclear weapons in a sovereign state is a right (which I think it is)."
That is it isn't it, are we going to be the world police.
Or are we gonna treat others the way we would like to be treated.
The N.Koreans want to be taken seriously.
If I was in their position, I would to.
Just because they are not America,
doesn't mean they have no sovereign rights.
We should open up trade and have freindly relations with all nations.
We should bring all our troops home from everywhere.
Start treating other countries with respect.
Instead of targets for merchintilism.
That is it isn't it, are we going to be the world police.
Or are we gonna treat others the way we would like to be treated.
The N.Koreans want to be taken seriously.
If I was in their position, I would to.
Just because they are not America,
doesn't mean they have no sovereign rights.
We should open up trade and have freindly relations with all nations.
We should bring all our troops home from everywhere.
Start treating other countries with respect.
Instead of targets for merchintilism.
medicineman
New Member
Geeze Ilk. I actually agree with you on this one, amazing. I also believe we should close all our foriegn bases, cut military spending to the bone, and let foriegn countries be all that they can be without our interference. Yeah, I actually liked Ron pauls stance on foriegn policy and military spending. I actually liked his policies on a lot of things, The exceptions were in the social areas where he wanted to do away with social programs and let those areas be taken care of by private charities, that would never work.
Woomeister
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Sorry, you guys obviously arent getting the same news coverage as we are in the Uk. Other than the ''Nagasaki size'' nuke they detonated, they have also recently fired a mock 'satelite' that was obviously ballistic missile practice, they have fired several short range (100km) missiles and today have said that they are no longer in a state of cease fire with S.Korea due to their agreement with the US over searching all shipping headed for N.Korea to search for wmd's. A strike on S.Korea is imminent as retaliation by KJ il has been guaranteed if another ship is stoppped.
emerl56
Member
Orson Scott Card is the author that your considering. And he is alive and well in Greensboro NC
Love his stuff
natrone23
Well-Known Member
North Korea won't do anything.........its not in China's interest for there to be a conflict on their border. Peroid
Its also not in China's interest for N Korea to be democratic. Thats why nothing (war, regime chang ect) will happen concerning N korea in the near future
Its also not in China's interest for N Korea to be democratic. Thats why nothing (war, regime chang ect) will happen concerning N korea in the near future
TheBrutalTruth
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Yeah, he's a good author.
Microdizzey
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http://www.china.org.cn/international/2009-05/28/content_17848520.htm
Kim is a lunatic, who knows what's going to happen. I'm willing to bet this is all fear mongering. If North Korea attacks, they will be at war with the US and nobody wants that. But then again, they definitely seem to be provoking a fight.
Just another seemingly pointless and desensitizing event occurring...
We'll all forget it even happened a week from now. Swine flu? What's that?
It does seem like every couple weeks the end of the world happens.
Then we all start saying what should the government do!
What should the UN do, OMFG its the end of the world!
N. Korea attacks, the S. Koreans and the US will eat their face.
Hell even Japan is talking about war with N. Korea, Japan for Christ sake.
I'm telling you they will beg for food, fuel and other shit before this is over.
They want something for free, just like every other socialist.
Then we all start saying what should the government do!
What should the UN do, OMFG its the end of the world!
N. Korea attacks, the S. Koreans and the US will eat their face.
Hell even Japan is talking about war with N. Korea, Japan for Christ sake.
I'm telling you they will beg for food, fuel and other shit before this is over.
They want something for free, just like every other socialist.