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born2killspam

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But it clocks those hours with (atleast) one chemical equilibrium.. The ratio of red absorbing phytochrome to far-red absorbing phytochrome.. We can trick out that equilibrium to mimick more dark time with specific light.. There are most likely deeper layers of complexity, but phytochrome manipulation has shown positive effects in many experiments..
 
weedyoo

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YaK said:
you can't discount evolution.

the timer thing is really the pain in the ass, as most are for 24 hour day, which means unless someone makes an 18 hour day timer, you just have to get an on/off cycle timer.

http://www.intelli-cycle.com/information.php

that one is 275 dollars in Australia


I think it'd be fascinating to watch a test grow with this 'theory' and figure out the whole grams per watt thing.

Humans force plants and animals to evolve constantly, quicker harvests are SO enticing! I really like the saving energy part though, as it's not cheap to run HPS lighting.
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yes thank you this timmer looks like it will work for what i want i have ben doing this buy hand every day i just sped the time up 6 hr
 
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YaK

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fdd2blk said:
evolution happens over MILLIONS of years. :roll:
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I get that you dont like the idea of this. Hows about you just dont do it? that'd be just fine.

Evolution doesnt have to take millions of years, I can define it for anyone that is confused as to what evolution actually is... but I dont really want to debate this. (I can if requested, but .. otherwise... it's just splitting hairs)

we can take a plant from clone to flower in 9 weeks , or about that anyway, which means that a lot of generations can occurr in a short amount of time, . I'm not a biologist or a geneticist, but seriously, how easy is it to test this and debunk it? a 300 dollar timer, and a curious person. BOOYAH!

I get the whole "if it aint broke... dont fix it" thing, but that doesnt drive innovation. If something works for you.. then .. GREAT, if you're curious and want to try something that sounds feasible... even better.

I remember Fdd doing the glycerine thing and not being too happy, bummer you used all that hard earned product, but now you/we know that the results are lackluster.

Pioneering rocks.
 
weedyoo

weedyoo

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YaK said:
I get that you dont like the idea of this. Hows about you just dont do it? that'd be just fine.

Evolution doesnt have to take millions of years, I can define it for anyone that is confused as to what evolution actually is... but I dont really want to debate this. (I can if requested, but .. otherwise... it's just splitting hairs)

we can take a plant from clone to flower in 9 weeks , or about that anyway, which means that a lot of generations can occurr in a short amount of time, . I'm not a biologist or a geneticist, but seriously, how easy is it to test this and debunk it? a 300 dollar timer, and a curious person. BOOYAH!

I get the whole "if it aint broke... dont fix it" thing, but that doesnt drive innovation. If something works for you.. then .. GREAT, if you're curious and want to try something that sounds feasible... even better.

I remember Fdd doing the glycerine thing and not being too happy, bummer you used all that hard earned product, but now you/we know that the results are lackluster.

Pioneering rocks.
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thanks as soon as i get this timer its back on. i have spent more then that on other equip.
 
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born2killspam

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Specialty timers can be made far cheaper than they can be purchased.. Just need some heavy-duty relays, and a couple busted gadgets to harvest the rest from..
 
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I'm not at home, but when I have time I'll whip one up.. I was thinking of something like a simple 555 circuit tied into a counter.. 555's themselves aren't suited for day long cycles, but with a counter you can set the 555 to pulse at a higher frequency, and count its cycles..
 
winkdogg420

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Cool if you could come up with a easy directions using radio shack parts i will build it and take pics..



born2killspam said:
i'm not at home, but when i have time i'll whip one up.. I was thinking of something like a simple 555 circuit tied into a counter.. 555's themselves aren't suited for day long cycles, but with a counter you can set the 555 to pulse at a higher frequency, and count its cycles..
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fdd2blk

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YaK said:
I get that you dont like the idea of this. Hows about you just dont do it? that'd be just fine.

Evolution doesnt have to take millions of years, I can define it for anyone that is confused as to what evolution actually is... but I dont really want to debate this. (I can if requested, but .. otherwise... it's just splitting hairs)

we can take a plant from clone to flower in 9 weeks , or about that anyway, which means that a lot of generations can occurr in a short amount of time, . I'm not a biologist or a geneticist, but seriously, how easy is it to test this and debunk it? a 300 dollar timer, and a curious person. BOOYAH!

I get the whole "if it aint broke... dont fix it" thing, but that doesnt drive innovation. If something works for you.. then .. GREAT, if you're curious and want to try something that sounds feasible... even better.

I remember Fdd doing the glycerine thing and not being too happy, bummer you used all that hard earned product, but now you/we know that the results are lackluster.

Pioneering rocks.
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so are you doing it? :?:
 
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YaK

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fdd2blk said:
so are you doing it? :?:
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I'm tempted. I dont have the cycle timer though, and it really doesnt fit my current configuration.

Still though, I appluad anyone willing to try it. sounds hypocritical, but there are limiting factors for me.

:clap:

I still love innovation, sucessful or not, even if I'm not brave enough to experiment.:o
 
weedyoo

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/180103?gt1=43002


fdd2blk said:
evolution happens over MILLIONS of years. :roll:
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are you shure about this or are you going by what you have been led to believe

Some water fleas sport a spiny helmet that deters predators; others, with identical DNA sequences, have bare heads. What differs between the two is not their genes but their mothers' experiences. If mom had a run-in with predators, her offspring have helmets, an effect one wag called "bite the mother, fight the daughter." If mom lived her life unthreatened, her offspring have no helmets. Same DNA, different traits. Somehow, the experience of the mother, not only her DNA sequences, has been transmitted to her offspring.
 
AeroKing

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You can see the effects that humans have had on dogs and cannabis in much shorter time spans. Maybe unassisted it may take millions of years.
 
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fdd2blk

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all this banter and not one person has gotten off the couch. even after my constant provoking. :roll:


maybe if we build a rocket ship and find a planet that has shorter days we can really test this out. all we need is a rocket ship.

anyone?


:?:
 
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YaK

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winkdogg420 said:
i saw some rocket ship plans on google just need some solid rocket fuel!!! ill check ebay!
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lol, that's some funny shit. I heard about a planet today on NPR with 34 hour days, which would mean buds the size of compact cars. nice!

Only problem is, the planet has an eliptical orbit that comes within 3 million miles of it's star (sun) and the temp gets to about 2000 degrees. which would burn the car colas.


Man... I hope he gets the timer and does this, sorry to hear about your hip replacement man, here's wishing you a speedy recovery:leaf: Cheers!
 
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fdd2blk

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if someone were really good at problem solving, i bet they could figure out a way to run a timer to a timer to a timer to a timer and somehow make it work.
 
Where in the hell am I?

Where in the hell am I?

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weedyoo said:
so is any one else doing 6hr days and 12 hour night in thus that every day is really 2 days, well 2 day cycles so in your plant only mesures cycles and not hours.

i am on my second week with this cycle the only thing i have noticed is i have bud sites in 2 weeks when it usuly takes me 3 weeks to see them.

so i need a 14 day 220v timmer been doing it with 24 hr timmer so i need to set it every day but.
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It takes you 3 weeks in flower to see bud sites?
 
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YaK

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fdd2blk said:
if someone were really good at problem solving, i bet they could figure out a way to run a timer to a timer to a timer to a timer and somehow make it work.
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this is like rubics cube shit. 24 x 3 = 72 , which divided by 18 = 4

So... maybe you can do it by daisy chaining 3 timers. I pounded about 5 keystones and had that same thought, timer to a timer to a timer, then I gave up and figured it'd just be easier to spend the 300 bones for a digi.

I'd still like to know though if it's possible to put timers together, if so, you'd be able to make one for less than 30 dollars.
 
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