BHO consistencies

Rare D MI said:

I should clarify, freshly dried trim is the best. I was just pointing out that the terpene degradation in curing is not necessary for extracts, as we are "curing" the plant matter for the most part for our flowers we smoke. The resin should be good to go as soon as its dry.

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Great insight there on the fact that BHO doesn't rely on the "cure" of the plant material for taste and smoothness, and that fresh terpene-rich material can provide flavorful extracts. Just don't forget that part of the process of the Cure is to allow a portion of the THCA to decarboxylate into the active delta9 form,( this is why flowers increase in perceived potency for a period of time after drying). BHO made from fully cured material is going to have a fuller, heady, hash-like effect compared to fresh extractions.

The decarboxylation happens during the purge process... I have had my bho tested multiple times, the Delta-9 THC is actually equal to the THCA. I talk to gray wolf about this cause I had never seen the numbers equal. He confirmed it was decarboxylation during the purge. Since then I have seen oil with higher THC than thcA.

cured material will not change the high from the oil.

Are you referring to heating the oil to 250 pre-consumption, or the decarbing that occurs during combustion/vaping?If it's the former, even Graywolf admits he only does that for medible consumption because of the terpene/flavor loss involved in that process. I really an anal about terpene conservation, the limited information out there places their medicinal effects right up there with the cannabinoids. (and they taste so dammnn goooood.....lol)

I had a guy tell me honeycomb is made when you let the oil cool during a vacuum purge. Got real pissed about it too when I told him I make honeycomb under constant heat and vac for 48 hours. He said I was lying and it wasn't possible. Is there another way of making honeycomb that I don't know about? He was going on and on about if you melt honeycomb and let it cool it turns to shatter indicating that honeycomb is a unpurged version of shatter, but that doesn't make any sense...

No, it never get over 130 degrees, but having it at that temp for a prolonged period of time partially decarboxylates the oil, which is the cause of the fully potiented delta-9. No need to fully decarb it if its not being used in medibles.

The Growery said:

sorry trich

some people swear by shatter but I just don't get it. I can make shatter all day, but I reheat and purge for another 24 hours and I end up with honeycomb, I would think honeycomb is more purged because of this. I've always thought that anything that causes thc to stick to eachother with such high friction (like shatter does) was residual butane.

what else is being lost beside butane that would cause honeycomb to be so crumbly?

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people seem to be forgetting TERPENES and other flavonoids..

i prefer shatter, but sometime i find wax to be more flavorful for these reasons... but

potsnoberry said:

Great insight there on the fact that BHO doesn't rely on the "cure" of the plant material for taste and smoothness, and that fresh terpene-rich material can provide flavorful extracts. Just don't forget that part of the process of the Cure is to allow a portion of the THCA to decarboxylate into the active delta9 form,( this is why flowers increase in perceived potency for a period of time after drying). BHO made from fully cured material is going to have a fuller, heady, hash-like effect compared to fresh extractions.

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CBN -crucial compound. people think it's bad, as in it's thc degraded... well it is.. but it also give you more of the hash high. keyword is OXIDATION (or heat and light)

Not a lot is known about CBN yet. It is thought that it is just degraded THC, however there are strains that are naturally high in it. I have a perfect example...

Moonshine Haze cup cut. It is a fast sativa, very amnesia haze dominant. Usually sativas are daytime smoke. However for me I get extra high from this herb for some reason. So I never smoke it as daytime weed. It made me curious as to why this sativa got me so high that I couldn't really get my shit done the way I can on a normal sativa. So I had it Lab tested. THC 16.31%, CBD .48%, but the kicker is CBN 1.09%. This is on a 70 day sativa, with mostly clear and cloudy trichs, no amber at all, cured for two weeks. When these numbers came back the lab tech commented on how unusual such high CBN is when there are no amber trichomes at all. CBN seems to be responsible for that fuzzy, tunnel vision, flicks of light type of high. I showed my results to DJ short and had about a half hour discussion with him about CBN, where we looked at all of his lab results trying to find strains naturally high in CBN, and to see what his levels were on his herb cured for years... The CBN on my moonshine was higher than 90% of his tests until it got to the herb cured for 2+ years.

IMO, you spoke to a guy who listens to other people instead of learning thru practical application...

The Growery said:

I had a guy tell me honeycomb is made when you let the oil cool during a vacuum purge. Got real pissed about it too when I told him I make honeycomb under constant heat and vac for 48 hours. He said I was lying and it wasn't possible. Is there another way of making honeycomb that I don't know about? He was going on and on about if you melt honeycomb and let it cool it turns to shatter indicating that honeycomb is a unpurged version of shatter, but that doesn't make any sense...

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It definitely degrades faster, but who keeps bho around for months?

Material quality is key but i believe what he meant was an example like this... Sour diesel warehouse trim, wax has a BO essence, shatter tastes like sour diesel perfume. Same trim, same process, 1 batch purged longer into wax, the wax brought out an undesired flavor.

Weedz b Baked said:

Wow.. Rare D way to explain your findings. I always feel like I'm getting fed bullshit by other people who explain it too me.

I understand what you're saying about flavor. By waxing it up do you mean whip or...? Either way, wouldn't turning the oil into wax allow for it to degrade in flavor quicker or are you not worried about that? Or.. do you think it's possible to keep budder in a concealed container to keep it fresh?

Trim is rarely tasty imo but it's extremely rare when I make sap/shatter from nugs, that it doesn't have good flavor and maybe I'm just being cocky but in all honesty when the flavor lacks, it's usually due too the starting material.

Agree to disagree or whatever but I make sap/shatter mostly because I find the flavor to be better but obviously that's not what everyone has experienced.

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Vertigo knows what I mean. He dabbed both of those warehouse sour d batches I did. That is one I prefer as shatter. The wax smelled like a warehouse.

look up some of matt rize's post on bho and the sort. made me dislike all bho extracts even more. something about being closer to wasp wax than plant wax, and causing collapsed lungs etc.. crazy stuff. all depends on the maker imo

Dude Matt rize is a fucking joke. He spreads misinformation about bho constantly just to be a dick. I got into it with him right when I joined RIU and on ICmag last year. Why don't you read the responses from intelligent people to his ridiculousness? His claims are easily proven wrong.

lot's of dudes like that rize character unfortunately.

which misinformation is that? id be up for a read. ive read alot of his post and tried some of his ideas out. as with anything tho it depends on the individuals. i tend to believe people with degree's in chemistry when it comes to chemistry questions, but to each there own. having said that, you shouldnt believe anyone untill you try it for yourself. anyone can be wrong, were all human. not tring to step on anyones toes here, were all on the same team, but unfortunately there's alot of bad bho out here. and when its done wrong and smoked it can cause problems.

i do like the look of the shatter though. i get mine from centers though if i do, so you home cookers probably have better stuff. to much effort for me to start getting into that now, to busy with bubble and a new baby.

congrads! now the real grow begins

Switch to making bho and youll cut your time AND effort by a third at least. When the family thanks you, tell them it was my idea....

mushead said:

i do like the look of the shatter though. i get mine from centers though if i do, so you home cookers probably have better stuff. to much effort for me to start getting into that now, to busy with bubble and a new baby.

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vertigo0007 said:

Switch to making bho and youll cut your time AND effort by a third at least. When the family thanks you, tell them it was my idea....

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are you talking effort and time of bho vs ice hash? just want to be clear. i use to make bubble by hand because it was hard, made me appreciate it more or somecrap lol. im lucky to have a 20 gallon machine now. i can make hash while me and the baby play. strain and collect at nap times lol. can it get easier than that?

In the time it takes to run your machine and drain it, i can blast the same weight and have it on the heating pad for initial purging. Now the next part part of the purge can vary but were talking hours. it never takes days to dry like bubble. You get higher yield with solvent extract (assuming youre not like the typical MI hash maker producing highly contaminated 20% thc ass, which in that case i may be wrong about yield) AND its worth min 20$ per gram at wholesale vs 8$-10$ per gram you get for bubble. I swear im only looking out for your family