BTT 2nd Grow Bagseed Soil

Yea, 10" is too close for a 600W at any plant age.. (Well, cool-tubed perhaps its ok when mature).. With seedlings I'd start a 400W well more than 2' above, and work down an inch or two a few times/day until it seemed too close..
Good call on ditching the filter.. Seedlings don't stink, and that will help alot until you upgrade the fans..
I like your quoted numbers fine, but some of those roots are baffling me, especially since they were overwatered..
On the hempy bucket btw, you can save alot of money using some vermiculite too.. Perlite really isn't cheap..
As long as they survive, all is good.. Once you get a few nodes you'll have the foliage needed to get them into better shape.. They look waay younger than 15 days though as it stands, I think you stunted them with heat/light, or perhaps the water-logging or both..
General rule of thumb would be to baby your babies.. Let them cry when they want something, don't expect them to perform serious labour as infants just because you gave them more than they needed..

Thx for the help born. The bag of perlite says it has vermiculite on it as well, but no % of each.. Wanted to do the hempy to see if it was something to do with the soil.. I figured them being 10-12" from the light they would grow more, but that is certainly not the case.. And the overwatering is killing me. I know when to water, but for some reason it seems to be too much and they never perk back up Some of the leaves are curled up tight, making a closed circle.

Did they look rootbound to you? How do the roots look for being 15days? I thought they looked ok, but then again the foilage doesn't say much..

The temp never sat at 88* That was just the high it hit throughout the day..

I also thought the way my ventilation was setup was ok, but there is really no telling. If they do get better and actually start to grow, there were too many variables changed to know... But then again, i still have some in the red cups, so if those don;t grow it was def. a root problem.

Oh and i did give them nutes about a week ago. I gave them an 1/8th tsp/gal of grow, micro, and bloom.. I know they didn't need it due to the organic soil, but just wanted to give them a little push..

let me know how it goes, and keep us updated! my plants are doing identical results, curling into a ball almost. Mine are a TINY bit bigger than yours, but not by much, and are ~3-4 weeks old.

Wish i could transplant tonight, but have family staying over...hopefully i'll be able to do it tomorrow.

The ones you were holding upside down with nice white roots were fine, not really bound yet, they looked appropriate.. Those long weak danglers I've never seen before (or were they the same seedlings??), they were trying to get to something, possibly O2 I guess, but usually roots grow more in search of water.. Thats why its best not to overwater, it helps them grow nice big root systems and that is 'the key' to high yielding plants..
Impatience is sadly more common than waiting till the proper time to do things, even when you know you're supposed to wait.. Its a lesson thats gotta be learned I guess..
Out of curiousity, what would a full strength dose of your nutrients be compared to what you gave them.. Bloom fertilizer is good for plants actively growing roots, but again not until its needed, and like Uncle Ben always says, "Less is more".. You could learn more from him than pretty much anybody else here.. He knows plants, sees past expensive gimmicks, and lets nature do its thing.. He also works pretty much entirely from seed, whereas I have about 25x as much experience with clones indoors than seedlings..
Did you spray those when they were under the light? There is some pretty bad scorching, and I think its heat more than nutrients.. Water beads up and acts like a magnifying glass.. Its not quite as bad if you add a few drops of detergent or something with surfactant properties to prevent beading, but its best to spray right at lights out if you insist on spraying them with something, or actually need to for some reason..
On the plus side, the newer growth is looking ok.. But your plants need to rest a bit.. I'd raise the light to like 30" for a few days, then lower it slowly, or put cheap cfl's maybe 8" above and put the HPS away for a week or so..
I used to keep mothers in passive hydro.. Basically a hempy mix with a bunch of cotton cord coiled up in it with the ends dangling into a resevoir below.. Its called a wick system, and the mothers loved it, but you need a total nutrient package (which you got I guess)..

Oh and a little test you can do with your fan is see how long it takes to inflate a garbage bag with/without the filter.. The bigger the bag the better obviously..

Ok moved light up to about 2' now..

Full strength for seedlings/cuttings as per label is .77 tsp/gal It recommends 1/2 of that for week 1.

Full strength for vegetative growth is 1.54tsp/gal

So i gave them an 1/8 tsp which equals out to .125tsp/gal

Don't think it could have done this much harm..

I wish I still had my small CFL box, but I gave it to a friend when I moved a few yrs back.. I would throw them in there.. Hate to go spend more money on CFL's when the grow is not even going very good at all... But i guess it would be worth saving money from not running that damn HPS 18/6 everyday.. Might look into getting some.

thx again born..

Nah, don't bother unless you can put them to other use after.. I wasn't even talking about proper cfl's for growing, just the 23W ones, and 3 would probably do, but the hps is fine too as long as you're careful about not giving them more than they need to merely sustain themselves for a bit.. They need time right now, not energy.. Just let them recover for a bit.. Don't try to actively grow them until they show a bit of improvement (which will likely manifest itself as stretching to get more light when they're ready)..

And now the waiting begins.. Just need to wait and see if these will turn around. Some will def. not make it but this is ok.

Started germing 10 more seeds 2 days ago. Today 8 of them went into medium. 4 in soil, other 4 in a jump starter plug and into straight perlite.

i transplanted mine a day after yours into FFOF and one of mine took a total turn around and is growing fast. I have also watered less and think its helping. How are yours doing?

honestly dude i think it is maybe to much light intensity for seedling that are that small...same thing happended to my seedlings when i moved them from under the cfl i used to start them to the 1000w in my main room...exact same thing...it bleached them out and they started to get brown spots on the tips...only one plant wasnt effected but it just had freak genetics..i noticed some of ur seedlings are doing better than others...those are the ones u wanna keep fo sho...but then again it might have something to do with nute burn, because im not familiar with that soil i wouldnt know...i think though with the 600 watts combined with mylar in that small space might be putting out to many lummens and 80-82 may be to much heat for those little guys...a high of 88F is way to high for seedlings especially

Agreed.. I would have raised it to more like 3' like I said, or perhaps tented them under a thin white plastic, or even a window screen.. Seedlings don't need, or want too much light!

honestly i would just go to walmart get 3 or 4 of those 10 dolar tube florescents that you can plug right in..they even say grow lights on the package...they worked great for my seedlings...in fact for my next grow im keeping my plants under them for a little longer until they get a bit larger and hardier( id say about 4 pairs of true leaves)...thats one of the mistakes i made in my first grow...i had mylar in my room to..i think it was too much for the little guys. I think mine were just big enough to pull through though, i got lucky. Gotta keep those temps down to though, where is your exhaust air going?

oh yea and DONT spray anything on them ever in my opinion...the water evaporates and leaves residue on the leaves and they get those brown spots. That was another thing that happened to me. I didnt notice it till it was to late. Im growing in a waterfarm system that has drip rings...when the water was dripping small droplets would splash onto the leaves and leave burns. Your seedlings look just like some of mine did..mine were just a bit bigger

Well I think all of them are not gonna make it. It's been a week since transplant and there has been no new growth. Some turned even paler and lower leaves began to dies off.. Some started to get a lil greener, but that's about it. These are all going to get pulled and tossed..Lesson learned.

I do have 10 NEW seedling going 8 sprouted on 5/24 and the other 2 on 5/26. And wow what a difference in color! These seedlings are a dark luscious green compared to all the older ones.. They are looking strong pumping out there 2nd set of true leaves.. Just gave them all a drink this morning..

I am going to pull most of the old ones tom and clean up the room some.. So pics tom..

I have the light about 2 ft away, but seems they are stretching a lil bit for it.. I will keep it there for a few more days and then lower it inch by inch.

Thx for the advice guys!! Hopefully these few will make it this time!

Exhaust is being sucked through hood and blown out into the attic.. I only wanted to put one hole in the ceiling.. But i may have to put another in the weeks to come.. Summer really isn't even here yet.. It's only going to get hotter.

looking foward to the pics

It's been 8 days since the transplant. Some starting looking a little greener, others not so well so they went down the drain.. The other 10 I recently planted are doing great. 6 in soil, and 4 in perlite. 8/10 sprouted on 5/24 and the other 2 on 5/26. Cleaned up the room a little bit as well..

I was originally going to toss all the old ones, but wanted to keep a few around just to see if they'll make it.. I'm going to give them another week and then toss if they don't grow much.

Light is app. 2ft away..

The new 10:
8 of these are 5 days. Other 2, 3 days from sprouting..

Added mylar to the bottom of the room as you can see in the pics.. Came back home last night, and two of the new ones were burned.. Not too bad, they be ok.

Raised the light up to about 30" I just can't find the sweet spot yet, plus they are still young.

The ones in the hempy are growing faster than the ones in soil planted at the same time. I gave them there first nutes today. 1/8th tsp of Micro, Gro, and Bloom.
pH of 5.7 and ppm of 257

Temps got a little high yesterday, not sure if it was due to the extra mylar or when I left putting the home a/c to 79..

Nice some of them look pretty good..It was probably a combination of the two..mylar magnifies heat and for me, when my ac temp goes up so does the temp in my closet..the temps in my closet are usually 8 degrees higher than the temp on the ac unit...try and keep temps between 74 and 78 when lights are on. You might have some slowed growth but some of those are going to grow into healthy plants..keep it up man..dont go any higher on the ppm yet in my oppinion.

Ok, Took the mylar off the bottom. It was making it hotter in the closet.

Lifted light up to 36".. Gonna wait for them to stretch a little bit then move it down..

Here are some of the burned victims:




The worst one:

Just a few spots:

Biggest and over watered:


Grow room now, light 3 ft above plants. (hope it's high enough now..) :

Added a piece of duct on the left hand side of the hood and ran it straight up to the top of the room. Hoping this will help suck out the hot air up top and keep the temps down.