Chiesel Full LED - First Time Grow

PetFlora said:

I doubt you'll have room for one adult plant in there if you plant to let them grow and not force flowering.

I have a UFO 90, they are NOT all alike spectrum wise. Unless yours has exactly the same R/B ratio you cannot fairly compare to 350.

On another site, a thread with 350 supplemented by 2 DIY rails of CREE Neutral Whites (21.7watts) is doing amazing.

Neutral Whites are quickly replacing R/B as the new ones have all the RB PAR needed PLUS the very important midband of spectrums

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PetFlora, ty, looks like I may have overlooked potential furious growth (I remember reading 1 foot per gallon, and I've chosen a Sativa dom hybrid but this is the first time a plant has physically graced this new tent so I'm trying to gauge everything). When do you recommend that I begin flowering to keep these plants within a manageable height/size for my tent? My original plan was to wait till they were about 18-20" tall with a good amount of branches before I started flowering. I've looked into some similar DIY LED's, definitely seems like some affordable supplemental lighting that I'm considering for the future.

I think 10" would be pushing it. Youi can snap the main stalk (had to do this twice now). My Sat dom cross overtook a 2 X 2 X 5, including ~ 12" snapped main stalk when plant was ~ 3ft

Day 12 - All 3 seem to be doing quite well (to me). The one seedling that had struggled to escape the seed and then semi stretched/drooped now has some dark green mini bumps, not sure if this is normal. Temps have been normal (74-79), haven't watered since their 3 gallon transplant 4 days ago (Sunday) due to how well FFOF retains moisture, it's still pretty moist an inch or two.

I'd like advice if possible on these green bumps (looks like plant herpes) or if I'm just overanalyzing/looking too close at the plant.

Yeah man, just plain water for a while and with the leds your plants will veg beautifully! nice work . Do you have good control over your environment? what are your average temps with lights on and average RH (relative humidity) ? and with the light off? keep it up buddy

Endur0xX said:

Yeah man, just plain water for a while and with the leds your plants will veg beautifully! nice work . Do you have good control over your environment? what are your average temps with lights on and average RH (relative humidity) ? and with the light off? keep it up buddy

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Ty. I have pretty good control over the environment as the tent is in an closet (sliding doors that are open day and night) that is close to a window as well as central AC. Average temps 75-78, I don't let it get any hotter than 79 and I watch to make sure that it doesn't go below 74. Humidity fluctuates from 48-60. I have Fox Farms trio Grow Big, Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom sat next to the tent unopened but I've read some have gone from seed to harvest with nothing but FFOF and molasses so I'll be careful with adding nutes in this soil (waiting 2-3 weeks) to avoid burn.

Bilgerat said:

Day 12 - All 3 seem to be doing quite well (to me). The one seedling that had struggled to escape the seed and then semi stretched/drooped now has some dark green mini bumps, not sure if this is normal. Temps have been normal (74-79), haven't watered since their 3 gallon transplant 4 days ago (Sunday) due to how well FFOF retains moisture, it's still pretty moist an inch or two.

I'd like advice if possible on these green bumps (looks like plant herpes) or if I'm just overanalyzing/looking too close at the plant.

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bilge, From what I can see your little girls look like they are doing fine. The closeup pictures are blurry, I'm not seeing any bumps. It seems your camera is focusing on the background causing your plants, in the foreground, to be blurry. Try to focus on the plant itself next time you take photos.

Also, as mentioned, go easy on those nutes. It's still early in your grow and the ffof is hot... But if your already adding some at low strength and getting away with it with no burn I see no reason not to continue...

Day 13 - Have given no nutes whatsoever aside from placing them in FFOF soil, no water since last Sundays transplanting into the pots, soil is still moist an inch or two in, keeping a less is more rule with watering. Added a 6" Lasko clip-on fan today and didn't expect the clip to be so bulky, it created a physics conflict with the fan head and the clip while trying to clip it onto one of the tent poles so I decided to hang it with a light hanger to gently blow over the plants on the lowest setting in order to strengthen the stems/circulate more air.

Edit: I'm aware that some of the photos are out of focus and show more soil detail, I think it has to do with the LED light, I'm going to install some lighting inside the tent to flip on for photos during the beginning of their dark cycle.

Bilgerat said:

Day 13 - Have given no nutes whatsoever aside from placing them in FFOF soil, no water since last Sundays transplanting into the pots, soil is still moist an inch or two in, keeping a less is more rule with watering. Added a 6" Lasko clip-on fan today and didn't expect the clip to be so bulky, it created a physics conflict with the fan head and the clip while trying to clip it onto one of the tent poles so I decided to hang it with a light hanger to gently blow over the plants on the lowest setting in order to strengthen the stems/circulate more air.

Edit: I'm aware that some of the photos are out of focus and show more soil detail, I think it has to do with the LED light, I'm going to install some lighting inside the tent to flip on for photos during the beginning of their dark cycle.

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lol, I have two of those exact lasko fans. They're great little fans and they're cheap as shit. I think I paid about $15/each. But the clip, arm and back of the fan are so bulky that it is extremely hard, if not impossible, to clip it correctly in a tent on the poles. In the end I hung a string from the top crossbar down to the bottom , with a loop at the end, and I clip onto that and raise/move as needed. I do like the two speeds, High is a bit too much but low I can have blowing right on the plants and it creates a nice gentle sway.

About your picture focus... If your camera/smartphone/whatever you use has a touchscreen viewfinder you can simple "touch" where you want it to focus. My camera always focus on the background but I "touch" a fan leaf on the viewfinder and it refocuses.

Good luck.

Amaximus said:

lol, I have two of those exact lasko fans. They're great little fans and they're cheap as shit. I think I paid about $15/each. But the clip, arm and back of the fan are so bulky that it is extremely hard, if not impossible, to clip it correctly in a tent on the poles. In the end I hung a string from the top crossbar down to the bottom , with a loop at the end, and I clip onto that and raise/move as needed. I do like the two speeds, High is a bit too much but low I can have blowing right on the plants and it creates a nice gentle sway.

About your picture focus... If your camera/smartphone/whatever you use has a touchscreen viewfinder you can simple "touch" where you want it to focus. My camera always focus on the background but I "touch" a fan leaf on the viewfinder and it refocuses.

Good luck.

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Ya I felt like I was struggling with a 2x2x5 Rubik's cube for awhile trying different positions and angles with the fan. I'm going to use that simple touch idea, it is a smartphone and does have that function I've just been getting used to the new software on it. I'm also pretty pleased with the fans performance, the low setting is quiet and I'm just happy to have a fan in there blowing across their stems atm. While I was waiting for my Lasko one of my seedlings started to fall while in their cup, (it's recovered now in its pot), not a problem now.

Day 15 - On Day 14 I watered each 3-Gallon smart pot with approx 150 ML bottled (crystal geyser) each, they hadn't been watered since last Sunday since I'm trying to keep watering to a minimum to promote good root growth (FFOF holds moisture extremely well). I'm seeing more growth and good stem/leaf improvement with the fan, definitely sturdier. I used the focus function in these pics, also there's 2 pics of the plant with the green bump, not sure if you can see it.

It's been about 5 days since an update, I thought I'd let it grow out a bit before taking more pics. The plants have not been watered since last post (150 ml of pH tested Crystal Geyser water). Temps have stayed between 75-80. Humidity has been 45-50%. The plant on the right (in the zoomed out photo) was the same seedling that struggled in its shell and stretched a bit, it seems this plant is getting its leaves in pretty close to the others (stage-wise) but it appears to be about half their size. This seedling also fell in the cup slightly due to stretching and was planted up to its leaves in the pot to keep it straight. I'm still waiting on nutes due to the nute dense FFOF.

can we get some natural pics??............smart move on not adding extra nute's...........less is more under leds IMO..........good luck

PSUAGRO. said:

can we get some natural pics??............smart move on not adding extra nute's...........less is more under leds IMO..........good luck

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Yeah I want to improve the pics. They're in a closet in a tent so I get down to the ground and snap a photo with the flash on hoping it'll take off some of the LED glare. I really should take them out and sit them in the open for a photo (is that what you mean by natural?) but I don't know how long I can have them out for without stressing them, as I hear it's a bad idea to move smart pots around.

hey idk what you have mixed into the soil for nutes but it seems that those leaves are quite yellow, it may be just from the weird light, but maybe consider giving them some worm casting tea if your going organic. have you grown this strain before? by that i mean do you find it stretched more under this light?

Went in with a white LED and took a bunch of pics of some of the burn I'm seeing on the ends of the leaves. No nutes added, haven't watered since 150 ml per 3 gallon pot last Sunday.

Eliminator, no I have not grown this strain before, it's my first grow. I have not mixed nutes in but I feel that the soil may be too nute heavy for this stage, although I held off on transplanting as long as I could.

it could be burning form the FFOF the plant is to small and young to handle FFOF. as for cal/mag i would start with a small dose and make your way up to a full dose over a couple weeks.

yes it looks like the soil is simply too hot, the plants are too small for anything, dont worry about anything for a while...

Endur0xX said:

yes it looks like the soil is simply too hot, the plants are too small for anything, dont worry about anything for a while...

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I've been monitoring the plants and I'm seeing some more slight burn on the other plants as well. I've looked at this specific burn and googled around. My temps are fine, air flow is fine, RH etc. It simply seems like the FFOF is too hot. Is there anything I can do to dilute it or will the plants eventually grow strong enough?

Update, seeing progression on the burn. Have been watering every Sunday the last 2 weeks 150 ml of bottled water. Last watering was last Sunday and I felt I may be following the less is more rule with the water too closely (possibly drying them out due to my specific location) so I watered again today, bringing the watering schedule closer by 3 days due to their growth. I felt the weight of the pots and it's been hot recently despite the temps in the tent being maintained by central AC. Temps in the 75-78 range. RH usually stays in the 40s it's dipped into the 30s at certain times of the day. No nutrients yet.

Watered today with pH up and down adjusted bottled water.



This ones doing the best, thicker stalk than the other 2, growing faster, did nothing different with her, same soil, water, regimen, strain etc.


2nd plants progress is close to 1st, more burn on her, slightly shorter than 1


Third plant, you can probably see it's shorter than the others if you look at where the handle is in the 2 pics (1 and 3) relative to the plant. I'd go as far as to say that compared to the growth levels of the other 2, this 3rd plant is stunted. It's shown most of the burn out of all 3.



I've asked around on different forums and just got more suggesting it's common FFOF burn as dank and enduro have said. Something off with the Hanna pH meter maybe. In this pic you can see the vial reads something closer to a 4-5 pH range whereas the meter tells me it should probably be greener. Bad pH meter? I made sure to pH dye test w/ the vial and watered the plants with pH up and pH down added. I took that 6.4 and orange reading and added some pH up till it read about in the higher 6.0 range, light green.



Do you think it's getting to the point that I'm going to have to cut the top soil with something to dilute the potency of this FFOF to save the plants?

you just gotta wait until they grow healthy leaves before you flip to 12/12, that soil is super hot I have never used it but from looking at your plants I can say that I hate it. Try promix or something else next time, for now I think the best thing for you to do is to let them veg for a while with no nutes and see what happens. Dont need to worry about PH now just use tap water that has sat for 24+hours. At some point the leaves are going to start growing healthy, at which point you can slowly start feeding them. If your grow was 12/12 from seed you would have something to worry about but since you are still in veg, you are fine, make sure you fix the problem before 12/12. Just my opinion good luck buddy