ChilLED grow light

DrBlaze

DrBlaze

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BobCajun said:
I just find those two guys vastly overrated, especially by themselves. Just my opinion. Guess I shouldn't have said dick but let's just say nothing special.
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You know, over several years of following Gm5, I've never once seen him say an unkind word about another person (unlike some...*hint *hint)

His attention to detail and the quality of finish I see on that channel is second to none I've seen elsewhere.

If you don't find what he does impressive at all, could you kindly link me to the stuff you are watching that you find more impressive? It must be really amazing. I'd really like to see it since I'm obviously missing out on the good stuff.
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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DrBlaze said:
You know, over several years of following Gm5, I've never once seen him say an unkind word about another person (unlike some...*hint *hint)

His attention to detail and the quality of finish I see on that channel is second to none I've seen elsewhere.

If you don't find what he does impressive at all, could you kindly link me to the stuff you are watching that you find more impressive? It must be really amazing. I'd really like to see it since I'm obviously missing out on the good stuff.
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I don't actually get information about lighting from videos much. I just go to the actual sources myself, meaning the manufacturer data sheets usually. I did watch plastic head's videos when he first started making them and I first started learning about LEDs for plant growth, but anyone but a total noob wouldn't get much out of his videos, the early ones or the recent ones. There's plenty of other channels with info on grow LEDs though. Not gonna list them all, too many. His channel is okay I guess just nothing special. The mouse thing is obviously just lame though. What the hell does a mouse have to do with growing weed?

Actually I can think of a better channel right now, RealStyles. And if you followed plastic head's forum threads long enough you'd see that every now and then he reveals his dickness. Usually conceals it so people don't know, but like GanGreen, he can't suppress it for long. Both of them are types of people I just can't stand, pretentious pricks. Do I ever ask people not to post on my threads? No, because I'm not a pretentious prick who thinks their threads are fucking solid gold. You ever take a good look at GanGreen? Guy like that, on the street, knock him cold in a second if he took that attitude with me. I mean nerdsville. Just be laying on the ground in a fetal position, probably convulsing. And plastic head? Guess where that mouse head would be stuck. Another fucking nerd who thinks he suddenly got cool because he grew weed. Don't work that way. They're just nerds who happen to grow weed.
 
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DrBlaze

DrBlaze

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BobCajun said:
I don't actually get information about lighting from videos much. I just go to the actual sources myself, meaning the manufacturer data sheets usually. I did watch plastic head's videos when he first started making them and I first started learning about LEDs for plant growth, but anyone but a total noob wouldn't get much out of his videos, the early ones or the recent ones. There's plenty of other channels with info on grow LEDs though. Not gonna list them all, too many. His channel is okay I guess just nothing special. The mouse thing is obviously just lame though. What the hell does a mouse have to do with growing weed?

Actually I can think of a better channel right now, RealStyles. And if you followed plastic head's forum threads long enough you'd see that every now and then he reveals his dickness. Usually conceals it so people don't know, but like GanGreen, he can't suppress it for long. Both of them are types of people I just can't stand, pretentious pricks.
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Oh... Well I'm not going to say anything bad about Realstyles, I like some of the stuff he's doing, but I think you and I are looking for totally different things when we watch this type of stuff. Realstyles channel is mostly 2-3 min update vids from his garden with the occasional "hey look as this" vid. Which is fine. But I really like the educational aspect, the side-by-side testing, the tech-talks and live stream q&a's, and the general overall high-level post-production work that's on display in mau5's channel. You don't see it much elsewhere. Vader's channel is another pretty good example of the stuff I look for. But to each his/her own.
 
Enigma

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Maersk said:
Point proven x2 lol.

Cannot see how VegasWinner has to audacity to quote $500.

Im going to use cobkits.com and some other sites to get a up to date price list for a 200W built, wouldnt mind betting it comes in at around $200 - $230.
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200W of one COB isn't the same as 200W of a different COB.
 
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VegasWinner

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Enigma said:
You are a sad person.

We're only trying to help you.
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Why do I need your help. I already have chilled boards working. I am trying to help you. I got a 2x4 killinit with three 90w boards better than any cobs. I used cxb. If i was running anything chilled boards are reality no lies they produce at almost twice of cobs sorry for the truth.
Not to mention I was so motivated by Vitally I designed my own board based on the chilled boards. I don't think I need your help.
Moral to story help offered without asking is called meddling. Help offered when asked is called help. Understand difference?
If you think i spoke to one of you harshly you deserved it in your own words. You behave badly I speak to you like you behave what you seem to understand.

Used to be come here get knowledge now you get spin bs buy my friends light etc
 
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Oochicoochi420

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BobCajun said:
I don't actually get information about lighting from videos much. I just go to the actual sources myself, meaning the manufacturer data sheets usually. I did watch plastic head's videos when he first started making them and I first started learning about LEDs for plant growth, but anyone but a total noob wouldn't get much out of his videos, the early ones or the recent ones. There's plenty of other channels with info on grow LEDs though. Not gonna list them all, too many. His channel is okay I guess just nothing special. The mouse thing is obviously just lame though. What the hell does a mouse have to do with growing weed?

Actually I can think of a better channel right now, RealStyles. And if you followed plastic head's forum threads long enough you'd see that every now and then he reveals his dickness. Usually conceals it so people don't know, but like GanGreen, he can't suppress it for long. Both of them are types of people I just can't stand, pretentious pricks. Do I ever ask people not to post on my threads? No, because I'm not a pretentious prick who thinks their threads are fucking solid gold. You ever take a good look at GanGreen? Guy like that, on the street, knock him cold in a second if he took that attitude with me. I mean nerdsville. Just be laying on the ground in a fetal position, probably convulsing. And plastic head? Guess where that mouse head would be stuck. Another fucking nerd who thinks he suddenly got cool because he grew weed. Don't work that way. They're just nerds who happen to grow weed.
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Nerds who share valuable information to anyone with the decency to appreciate it about how these lighting companies are ripping people off. Appreciated by thousands, and worthy of it.
 
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CobKits

CobKits

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VegasWinner said:
If i was running anything chilled boards are reality no lies they produce at almost twice of cobs sorry for the truth.
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look i know youre going to take this as a personal attack,you cant take the high road and then continue to just make things up. im glad that PCBs are working for you better than cobs but theres a lot of inexperienced users here who might think ridiculous hyperbole like "Chillled boards produce at almost twice of cobs" is actually reality, when it is really something you literally just made up that has zero basis in reality. Melt if you want, but its a disservice to the community for me not to correct your falsehoods.

we already know that "Chilled Gen2 grow lights are fire, no meter needs to tell me that".

so if you can really yield twice of what COBs do we'll be wating for the worlds first 3 gpw grow. please post when that happens. doesnt need to be yours, any chillled grow will do.

they are great lights. However, you misrepresenting them is not helping their cause
 
DrBlaze

DrBlaze

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CobKits said:
look i know youre going to take this as a personal attack,you cant take the high road and then continue to just make things up. im glad that PCBs are working for you better than cobs but theres a lot of inexperienced users here who might think ridiculous hyperbole like "Chillled boards produce at almost twice of cobs" is actually reality, when it is really something you literally just made up that has zero basis in reality. Melt if you want, but its a disservice to the community for me not to correct your falsehoods.

we already know that "Chilled Gen2 grow lights are fire, no meter needs to tell me that".

so if you can really yield twice of what COBs do we'll be wating for the worlds first 3 gpw grow. please post when that happens. doesnt need to be yours, any chillled grow will do.

they are great lights. However, you misrepresenting them is not helping their cause
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Pretty sure he hasn't been able to see anything you've posted in the past 3-4 days.
 
Enigma

Enigma

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VegasWinner said:
Why do I need your help. I already have chilled boards working. I am trying to help you. I got a 2x4 killinit with three 90w boards better than any cobs. I used cxb. If i was running anything chilled boards are reality no lies they produce at almost twice of cobs sorry for the truth.
Not to mention I was so motivated by Vitally I designed my own board based on the chilled boards. I don't think I need your help.
Moral to story help offered without asking is called meddling. Help offered when asked is called help. Understand difference?
If you think i spoke to one of you harshly you deserved it in your own words. You behave badly I speak to you like you behave what you seem to understand.

Used to be come here get knowledge now you get spin bs buy my friends light etc
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I wasn't spurned by anything you wrote, I don't get personally invested in people I don't know.

It is what you wrote that made me aware of your sadness, nothing more than you showing all of us your true colours.

Oochicoochi420 said:
Nerds who share valuable information to anyone with the decency to appreciate it about how these lighting companies are ripping people off. Appreciated by thousands, and worthy of it.
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People that give freely should be revered.

CobKits said:
look i know youre going to take this as a personal attack,you cant take the high road and then continue to just make things up. im glad that PCBs are working for you better than cobs but theres a lot of inexperienced users here who might think ridiculous hyperbole like "Chillled boards produce at almost twice of cobs" is actually reality, when it is really something you literally just made up that has zero basis in reality. Melt if you want, but its a disservice to the community for me not to correct your falsehoods.

we already know that "Chilled Gen2 grow lights are fire, no meter needs to tell me that".

so if you can really yield twice of what COBs do we'll be wating for the worlds first 3 gpw grow. please post when that happens. doesnt need to be yours, any chillled grow will do.

they are great lights. However, you misrepresenting them is not helping their cause
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To be perfectly honest, when I logged back in from a decade hiatus from these boards I was upset to read about claims of these LEDs doing anything comparable to HID from my experience so long ago. It seems as though all of the LEDs have advanced enough for me to pay attention.

After spending a month, or so, crunching numbers I found the 3W and 5W emitted to be outdated due to efficiency when compared to COBs.

Even now, I made a new friend on these boards (imagine that, I'm not pissing everyone off) and he is using a 5W panel to great success, over 1g/W. Still, I know dollars to donuts a comparable COB lamp will cost less than half of what he spent while using less energy.

I won't believe any hype of blurple being superior to COB unless it can be proven; @CobKits is right, you are wrong and spouting nothing but nonsense.

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Maersk

Maersk

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Enigma said:
200W of one COB isn't the same as 200W of a different COB.
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But the heat generated from them after all conversions is the same.

If you put a cree/citi/vero @ 50W in a sealed room and measured the temps they should record all equal. - even though some offer more L/pw
 
Maersk

Maersk

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VegasWinner said:
If i was running anything chilled boards are reality no lies they produce at almost twice of cobs sorry for the truth.
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This is another obvious false comment. Many people are getting 1.5Gpw with cobs, are you saying your getting 3Gpw with chilled?
Its clear your just frustrated because you want people to stop using cobs and all go and buy chilleds
 
CobKits

CobKits

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Enigma said:
To be perfectly honest, when I logged back in from a decade hiatus from these boards I was upset to read about claims of these LEDs doing anything comparable to HID from my experience so long ago. It seems as though all of the LEDs have advanced enough for me to pay attention.

After spending a month, or so, crunching numbers I found the 3W and 5W emitted to be outdated due to efficiency when compared to COBs.

Even now, I made a new friend on these boards (imagine that, I'm not pissing everyone off) and he is using a 5W panel to great success, over 1g/W. Still, I know dollars to donuts a comparable COB lamp will cost less than half of what he spent while using less energy.

I won't believe any hype of blurple being superior to COB unless it can be proven
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these arent really anything like the 3W and 5W "slug" epistar diodes

the chips used on chillled and other HQ PCBs are current and in the same realm as cobs on efficiency (not "twice anything tho")
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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Sorry about the venting about two certain people. Off dope for the last few days so kind of edgy. I guess any free information is helpful, regardless who it comes from.

About COBs vs PCBs, probably no big difference. COBs are just designed for a smaller fixture size or spot type lighting. Just a matter of personal design requirements I guess. Nothing wrong with COBs, with the right optics. Just not that easy to find good optics. Angelina type reflectors aren't that great really. Need a collimating type optic, as this page explains. Some illustrations from the page. I'll copy/paste the text relating to the images. With such lenses, COBs MAY have an advantage over PCBs, which don't collimate at all. It would require investigation. I think you would want a "medium" type collimating lens, not a spot or wide.

Table 1 illustrates three key differences in performance between these modules. For example, the TIR lens system delivered twice the central lux of the reflector module, with 2× the “lux efficacy” measured in lux/watt.



Fig. 2 shows the measured intensity distribution over viewing angle. We can immediately see that FWHM viewing angle (in this case 24°) doesn’t tell the whole story. The TIR lens design produces a smooth, well-controlled slope up to the peak intensity, while the reflector’s intensity distribution flattens out in the wide-angle glare zone.

 
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CobKits

CobKits

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Collimating light is lossy in and of itself, so concentrating light in one space doesnt make more light. lots of people use no optics at all and rely on the natural 120 degreeish throw of the leds to fill the space uniformly with light. the 60 degree target in your graph above is arbitrary and may or may not be useful depending on the layout of a garden.

certainly there are all kinds of optics available for cobs (and pcbs as well if you look at ones designed to zhaga standards like the QBs)
 
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Oochicoochi420

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CobKits said:
Collimating light is lossy in and of itself, so concentrating light in one space doesnt make more light. lots of people use no optics at all and rely on the natural 120 degreeish throw of the leds to fill the space uniformly with light. the 60 degree target in your graph above is arbitrary and may or may not be useful depending on the layout of a garden.

certainly there are all kinds of optics available for cobs (and pcbs as well if you look at ones designed to zhaga standards like the QBs)
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Is this lenz the only one compatible with the Vero 29SE? It's the lenz RapidLed match it with.
http://www.rapidled.com/ledil-fn15264-stella-hb-www-lens/
 
suthrngrwr

suthrngrwr

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BobCajun said:
Well what would you call a guy who goes around wearing a green plastic mouse head all the time, normal?
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Intelligent for taking himself seriously enough to conceal his identity from government shills like yourself. If liberty and freedom is too much for you, I've got an awesome gig for you. I'll provide meals and some leisure time. That way you have the structure you so desperately desire.
 
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VegasWinner

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Enigma said:
I wasn't spurned by anything you wrote, I don't get personally invested in people I don't know.

It is what you wrote that made me aware of your sadness, nothing more than you showing all of us your true colours.



People that give freely should be revered.



To be perfectly honest, when I logged back in from a decade hiatus from these boards I was upset to read about claims of these LEDs doing anything comparable to HID from my experience so long ago. It seems as though all of the LEDs have advanced enough for me to pay attention.

After spending a month, or so, crunching numbers I found the 3W and 5W emitted to be outdated due to efficiency when compared to COBs.

Even now, I made a new friend on these boards (imagine that, I'm not pissing everyone off) and he is using a 5W panel to great success, over 1g/W. Still, I know dollars to donuts a comparable COB lamp will cost less than half of what he spent while using less energy.

I won't believe any hype of blurple being superior to COB unless it can be proven; @CobKits is right, you are wrong and spouting nothing but nonsense.

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You some fucking doctor. Sadness look in the mirror your sadness is so miserable. Me I am quite happy. I have chilled grow boards and GrowGreen boards you are sadly wrong about me and much more. Thread is about chilled grow boards not me you trying to make it personal step back and do you. I do not want or care for your strange views of people. Perhaps a doctor can help you with that mental condition you are exhibiting here.
 
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