Chronikool’z LED + Organic + SOG + Party cup perpetual ‘boxes of fun’ grow!™

Polar Bear Polo. I just love that whole concept. Winners eat losers, right?

So it's been 2 days since I switched my 2 Blue Cheeses from the CREE Bulbs and I just gave them a good feeding and misting, so I'm looking for some solid growth over the next week. BC loves it drier so it looks great when it's bone dry, which I don't think my beasties in my soil like too much . My mothers, clones and seedlings were all under the "blue" section and probably need some time, though they won't be staying under the for long as I picked up some new drivers for those hybrids I got. I think that transition to different light kind of fucked them up a bit so I think that's why any growth is "slow". My indica heavy Black Widow is responding though.

Please don't be a blue hater. Ya just gotta pick them right . I was a hater till I realized how blue LEDs are typically so much more powerful than most reds and that low wattage blues are best for our needs. I use those extreme blues to keep growth slow and healthy on the cheap. One day people are gonna realize how easy it is to keep lots of small plants as backups under blue LEDs. My only problem is root growth is terrible for me so I hope those hybrids with some red will help. Otherwise it's time to start taking the 730s out of my 5x60.

FR/IR will get your plants to drink more and tends to help plants finish faster from my experiences over the last year. My BC finishes way faster once I got my 5x60 which had 10 x 730nms. Now that the 5x60 is retired, I've got the A300 to pick up the 730nm slack but I want some more in there once I start flowering again.

Oh I'm using horsetail on my BC this round. I want to see if the silica blast will help with my BC's shitty stems. We talked about that stuff before, right?

Thatz the one bruv... Polar Bear and human smoothie goes down good with homemade Eskimo pie... and im still alive so what does that tell you about my talent...?

Im not a blue hater....There just seems to be plenty of blue in most LED's...so yeah i dont like them...

But yeah..my main point of call is adding far red and more 660nm....BUT...that is after i see the plants respond to the XP-G's which will be here next week.

Yeah you have mentioned horsetail...i have phosphate guano that i add to my mix that has an adunance of silica in it...important for supporting that bud weight huh!

Chronikool said:

Pineapple Express (wet weight): 51 grams (6 plants) The pineapple express produces bigger but fluffier buds

Acid (wet weight) 32 grams (3 plants)

Total: 83 grams wet.

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So just harvested 2nd batch....got 102.4 wet....so about 20 grams up on 1st harvest....

Still an improvement i guess....but i still have much to improve on....

awesome grow!!! that sea of green method is pretty fun looking.
ill have to try that im sure you put it somewhere in here but i just read the whole dam 40 pages haha so i forgot some shit i read.
is that a pc on its side or something?and did you top any of those plants or just natural grow with some lst?

Hey Kool420...40 pages...you poor bastard....go and have a smoke and a pancake...

PC on its side? You mean the fans? or? Nah its a bit bigger then a PC...unless you are shopping at the: 'Yay, itz 1947 again..!' store....

Nah i used 2 hollowed out sets of drawers to create my haven..

The 1st run i LST'ed (no topping).....but every other run i have going have been topped and LST'ed...i am actually thinking of not doing either on a run...and see how they come out...

Thanks bruv...

hahahahhahahaha holy hell you just made me laugh hard as hell. im at work bored as hell so why not learn and make money at the same damn time.
i had a smoke but no damn pancakes sad to say. oh okay i was trippin it look bigger so i was curious, drawers wow thats a good idea i was thinking of making a flower station in a rubber maid what lights would use for something like that cfl wise id go led like my box i have now but shits expensive.

Hey C, did you c this article:
http://reefbuilders.com/2013/05/27/100w-lumia-51-multichip-led-diy-masses/

Coral guys get all the good lights. Fuckers .

On the subject of point source vs distributed light i have to agree with you Pet. maths (inverse square law) says that distributed light is going to be more efficient for covering a 2D canopy, because of the exponential loss of intensity.

Yeah...it also comes down too: wiring/adjusting 10 x 10w chips vs the simplicity of 1 x 100w... (as an example)

On a another note: my 3 x cree XPG's arrived....

^^^That's what I love about LEDs. It's what's best for your situation, not what's best. Sadly it's a lesson lost on us occasionally.

Anyhoo, so you're driving those XPGs at 1000mA? 700mA? What are you gonna cool those with? You just gonna slap in your spot cases or you going ghetto/DIY? I'm wondering now about running multiple chips, but at a lower mA. I've seen 100 watt XT-E arrays, but only in Royal Blue and White, and they say to run those over 1000mA you need some real serious cooling, like something bigger than what Major Coco used, but they're "holy shit" bright when running around 1200mA. Maybe some XT/XP2s, (God I hate CREE's names for their products), running at a lower power can still put out enough light to flower with, but at lower more easily manageable temps. What would be nice is to find out how Kessil cool their lights, (vapor whatever), since these arrays are getting into Kessil territory.

I just realized that I gotta go buy some kind of decent light/PAR meter while writing this. Damn this place is making me poor. I could of bought a ticket to Patagonia to watch ya play polo by now . 1st class too I bet.

Those XPG's are gonna be direct replacements for the 50w's...exactly the same as what i did for the 1st one...same drivers, same 50w floodlight heatsink.

See this is what i couldnt understand... (nobody answered me) i was wondering why the the 1st XPG was running at 25-26 watts when they are rated at 50w. The driver is a 1500mA driver. So i thought they would run at this. Because of the lower output, i thought they had sent me the 30w XPE's instead. EH said they were the XPG's but were probably running at 700mA...hence the smallest wattage used. OK...so how does this work? Does the driver just automaticly adjust to a current....i dont get it..?

Hahahaha...Yeah bruv...we can share a mojito...Moojitooo...

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Or since we are on the topic of international....

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SnotBoogie said:

On the subject of point source vs distributed light i have to agree with you Pet. maths (inverse square law) says that distributed light is going to be more efficient for covering a 2D canopy, because of the exponential loss of intensity.

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Hey SB, according to a few sources, it doesn't work so neatly. Here's what the Helsinki University of Technology by Jari Hovila "Instruction Manual for LED Luminous Intensity Measurements" has to say. And yes, I pulled this out of my ass .

"The luminous intensity (Iv) of a light source and the measured illuminance (Ev) follow the inverse-square law, Iv= EvxD², where D is the measurement distance. It works fine for point sources and relatively long measurement distances. However, with LEDs the size of the emitting surface may cause problems."

Continued here for those who care, but what it is saying is that you have to use a modified inverse square to get the proper result. And there are other instances where it needs to be modified further, depending on even more variables. It's funny, I use the inverse square law almost daily, and in some cases use a modified version to maintain certain settings, so I do know there isn't just one inverse square law. And in LEDs there's probably God knows how many.

Just pointing it out.

Ty for the heads up Fran, good info, plus im a maths noob <3

XPG retro fit now complete....

Ooooh Mojitos. The only ones I ever had were like acid in my stomach. I'll bring my Tums.

Is it the old "wattage game"? So XPGs are 5 watt diodes because of their draw, so 5 x 10= 50 watts.

Now your driver is another thing. Are you using the original drivers for your floods or are you getting new ones with the XPGs? Now offhand I don't know XPGs min/max current or voltage so this math is all fuzzy, but somehow that driver's amperage is within the LEDs rated specs or 700mA is being selected by an IC chip somewhere in your connections. Something is going on there cause if you're driving them at 700mA then ~25 watts make sense if the XPGs forward voltage is around 3.5 because 3.5 x 10 x .7= 24.5 watts and add some watts for driver overhead. But that 1500mA driver confuses me because 3.5 x 10 x 1.5= 52.5 watts. So something seems amiss to me. But before we go further, where did you get the 1500 mA drivers from? Can you get a picture of it's label? And where's good sir guod when you need him ?

Chronikool said:

Those XPG's are gonna be direct replacements for the 50w's...exactly the same as what i did for the 1st one...same drivers, same 50w floodlight heatsink.

See this is what i couldnt understand... (nobody answered me) i was wondering why the the 1st XPG was running at 25-26 watts when they are rated at 50w. The driver is a 1500mA driver. So i thought they would run at this. Because of the lower output, i thought they had sent me the 30w XPE's instead. EH said they were the XPG's but were probably running at 700mA...hence the smallest wattage used. OK...so how does this work? Does the driver just automaticly adjust to a current....i dont get it..?

Hahahaha...Yeah bruv...we can share a mojito...Moojitooo...

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I have some 50w XPG floods from the same source. I'm driving them at 900ma, and they are pulling 30w at the plug.

So i have 2 x running at 40 (ish) watts and 2 x at 25 (ish) watts....so im thinking its the driver being used. Yeah i used my floodlight drivers...Or maybe its the poor quality of the XPG's and why they are cheap...i dont know whats going on now. hahaha...At least they are working...