Cree and San’an, Osram Opto, Vishay

VegasWinner

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Published on:April 26, 2017
By Maury Wright
Editor in Chief, LEDs Magazine



Cree and San’an Optoelectronics will form a joint venture to produce mid-power LEDs for general illumination applications, while Osram begins shipping advanced auto-targeted LEDs and Vishay has new amber, red, and yellow components.



Coincident with its release of quarterly financial results, Cree has announced that it will form a joint venture with San’an Optoelectronics of China focused on producing mid-power LEDs that specifically target general illumination applications. Osram Opto Semiconductors has announced commercial availability of the five-emitter version of the Oslon Black Flat S LED for adaptive-driving beam (ADB) automotive headlamps. Vishay has announced what it calls space-saving red, super-red, amber, and yellow LEDs for signage and lighting applications and the LEDs are based on a silicon substrate.

Interested in articles & announcements on LED business & technology?

Cree and San’an
The Cree and San’an announcement marks at least the fourth strategic move by Cree to address the momentum of mid-power LEDs in the lighting sector. Cree developed very-small high-power LEDs as alternatives to mid-power devices going back at least to 2013 with the launch of the XLamp XQ family of components and there were similar subsequent announcements. Cree partnered with and invested in Taiwan-based Lextar in a mid-power-centric deal. And in 2015, Cree signed a cross-licensing agreement with Epistar that presumably brought Cree some mid-power intellectual property (IP).

Now, however, Cree will own 51% of a new venture to be called Cree Venture LED Company, Ltd that will be based in Hong Kong. Presumably, San’an will supply the mid-power manufacturing expertise while Cree supplies the IP that has yielded perhaps the highest-performing high-power LEDs on the market. Apparently, Cree will sell the LEDs from the venture in North and South America, Europe, and Japan, and both companies will serve China and the rest of the globe.

“The addition of the mid-power LED products in this new joint venture to Cree’s industry-leading high-power products gives us an unparalleled LED portfolio,” stated Dave Emerson, Cree LEDs senior vice president and general manager. “With our LED systems expertise, customers are able to work with our existing channels to find the best LEDs for their applications.”

The question really is such a deal coming too late for Cree to gain a real foothold outside of high-power applications, of which there remain many. Still, the mid-power momentum has clearly hurt Cree.

The company just announced third-quarter results for its fiscal 2017. Revenue of $342 million was down 7% compared to the same quarter in 2016, and 15% compared to the second quarter of 2017. But Cree chairman and CEO Chuck Swoboda said that LED products performed at or above target levels whereas the company’s lighting business was hampered by soft market conditions.

Osram automotive
Osram first demonstrated a five-emitter version of the Oslon Black Flat S family back in 2015. The company had previously delivered Black Flat LEDs with multiple emitters, but the Black Flat S added the capability of driving each emitter on an individual basis — a key to ADB designs.

Late in 2016, Osram said it was shipping a three-emitter version of the Black Flat S, and pledged that four- and five-emitter versions would follow in January 2017. Evidently the schedule slipped a bit, but the extra emitters will now provide more flexibility in beam forming and further increase safety.

“Increasing visibility and reducing glare, adaptive front-lighting systems like adaptive-driving beam enhance safety and comfort for both drivers and traffic participants,“ said Thomas Christl, product manager at Osram Opto Semiconductors. “Drivers virtually drive with an always-on high-beam light distribution while other drivers on the road only experience low-beam glare. With camera integration, ADB detects other vehicles or obstacles and either dynamically shadows out these vehicles in order to prevent glare or illuminates these obstacles to ensure safety.”

Vishay LEDs for signage and lighting
The Vishay Intertechnology optoelectronics group’s new VLD.1535 colored LEDs are based on an AlInGaP-on-Si (aluminum indium gallium phosphide on silicon) technology with the noteworthy part of that statement being the silicon substrate. The Si substrate should equate to reduced manufacturing costs.

Meanwhile, the LEDs include a primary domed optic that delivers a 22° beam that is a good fit for applications such as illuminated signage, traffic signals and signs, and specialty indoor and outdoor lighting products. Maximum performance ranges from 9000 mcd for super-red products to 14,000 mcd for amber and yellow products.
 

Greengenes707

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Yeah we started looking into mid power almost 2 yrs ago now. We looked at Cree and they weren't even in the top 10.
Seriously dude...why do you lie? You didn't even have a company or a DIY 2 years ago as of now. It's ok to be real and not try and flex time and experience you don't have. This time about 2 years ago you were just getting your first build together, and ditching the idea of an apache or SK...
https://www.rollitup.org/t/johnson-grow-lights-air-cooled-cxb3590-led-fixture.881017/ (more time stamped quotes available apon request)
I'm not sure if you're acting like this? Is it so you can somehow try and claim originality of a samsung populated PCB? Where is the documentation, testing, or even a prototype of any kind from then? If so, why are you using manipulated and false info rather than featuring your performance and show your time put in?
 

Greengenes707

Well-Known Member
Published on:April 26, 2017
By Maury Wright
Editor in Chief, LEDs Magazine



Cree and San’an Optoelectronics will form a joint venture to produce mid-power LEDs for general illumination applications, while Osram begins shipping advanced auto-targeted LEDs and Vishay has new amber, red, and yellow components.



Coincident with its release of quarterly financial results, Cree has announced that it will form a joint venture with San’an Optoelectronics of China focused on producing mid-power LEDs that specifically target general illumination applications. Osram Opto Semiconductors has announced commercial availability of the five-emitter version of the Oslon Black Flat S LED for adaptive-driving beam (ADB) automotive headlamps. Vishay has announced what it calls space-saving red, super-red, amber, and yellow LEDs for signage and lighting applications and the LEDs are based on a silicon substrate.

Interested in articles & announcements on LED business & technology?

Cree and San’an
The Cree and San’an announcement marks at least the fourth strategic move by Cree to address the momentum of mid-power LEDs in the lighting sector. Cree developed very-small high-power LEDs as alternatives to mid-power devices going back at least to 2013 with the launch of the XLamp XQ family of components and there were similar subsequent announcements. Cree partnered with and invested in Taiwan-based Lextar in a mid-power-centric deal. And in 2015, Cree signed a cross-licensing agreement with Epistar that presumably brought Cree some mid-power intellectual property (IP).

Now, however, Cree will own 51% of a new venture to be called Cree Venture LED Company, Ltd that will be based in Hong Kong. Presumably, San’an will supply the mid-power manufacturing expertise while Cree supplies the IP that has yielded perhaps the highest-performing high-power LEDs on the market. Apparently, Cree will sell the LEDs from the venture in North and South America, Europe, and Japan, and both companies will serve China and the rest of the globe.

“The addition of the mid-power LED products in this new joint venture to Cree’s industry-leading high-power products gives us an unparalleled LED portfolio,” stated Dave Emerson, Cree LEDs senior vice president and general manager. “With our LED systems expertise, customers are able to work with our existing channels to find the best LEDs for their applications.”

The question really is such a deal coming too late for Cree to gain a real foothold outside of high-power applications, of which there remain many. Still, the mid-power momentum has clearly hurt Cree.

The company just announced third-quarter results for its fiscal 2017. Revenue of $342 million was down 7% compared to the same quarter in 2016, and 15% compared to the second quarter of 2017. But Cree chairman and CEO Chuck Swoboda said that LED products performed at or above target levels whereas the company’s lighting business was hampered by soft market conditions.

Osram automotive
Osram first demonstrated a five-emitter version of the Oslon Black Flat S family back in 2015. The company had previously delivered Black Flat LEDs with multiple emitters, but the Black Flat S added the capability of driving each emitter on an individual basis — a key to ADB designs.

Late in 2016, Osram said it was shipping a three-emitter version of the Black Flat S, and pledged that four- and five-emitter versions would follow in January 2017. Evidently the schedule slipped a bit, but the extra emitters will now provide more flexibility in beam forming and further increase safety.

“Increasing visibility and reducing glare, adaptive front-lighting systems like adaptive-driving beam enhance safety and comfort for both drivers and traffic participants,“ said Thomas Christl, product manager at Osram Opto Semiconductors. “Drivers virtually drive with an always-on high-beam light distribution while other drivers on the road only experience low-beam glare. With camera integration, ADB detects other vehicles or obstacles and either dynamically shadows out these vehicles in order to prevent glare or illuminates these obstacles to ensure safety.”

Vishay LEDs for signage and lighting
The Vishay Intertechnology optoelectronics group’s new VLD.1535 colored LEDs are based on an AlInGaP-on-Si (aluminum indium gallium phosphide on silicon) technology with the noteworthy part of that statement being the silicon substrate. The Si substrate should equate to reduced manufacturing costs.

Meanwhile, the LEDs include a primary domed optic that delivers a 22° beam that is a good fit for applications such as illuminated signage, traffic signals and signs, and specialty indoor and outdoor lighting products. Maximum performance ranges from 9000 mcd for super-red products to 14,000 mcd for amber and yellow products.
Interesting as always to see what cree comes up with. There really is no competing with their blue die. Then when they put the time into the correct application of them, plus their phosphor...fun stuff.


I was told a while ago(~6 months) Osram was making a big jump with their hyper reds soon, but haven't heard/seen anything of it. Still one of the best deep reds... but a extra souped up hyper red would be awesome.
 

robincnn

Well-Known Member
Seriously dude...why do you lie? You didn't even have a company or a DIY 2 years ago as of now. It's ok to be real and not try and flex time and experience you don't have. This time about 2 years ago you were just getting your first build together, and ditching the idea of an apache or SK...
https://www.rollitup.org/t/johnson-grow-lights-air-cooled-cxb3590-led-fixture.881017/ (more time stamped quotes available apon request)
I'm not sure if you're acting like this? Is it so you can somehow try and claim originality of a samsung populated PCB? Where is the documentation, testing, or even a prototype of any kind from then? If so, why are you using manipulated and false info rather than featuring your performance and show your time put in?
Steve and i have i been working on mid power project project since early 2016. I am sure he must have been looking at them since 2015
he may have exaggerated by 2-3 months or so. lol
GG since when did you get to be the industry police. got anything better to do. o_O
 

Greengenes707

Well-Known Member
Aug will be 2 yrs to the month. As I said almost 2 yrs. If you need proof I'll provide it just fine. I don't know why you have to go out of your way to try and discredit me so much but it's childish and quite frankly makes you look like an idiot. I really don't care what you think of me but your childish shit is getting old honestly. Just keeping it real we would've been on 561C last summer easily but we wasted almost a year working with a manufacturer that was U.S. based that changed all of its leadership roles during our process. It took us 9-12 months to get a drawing back from them. Sure I want experienced enough to not know that was a rediculous timeframe. Needless to say our project was put on hold by then because they lost the CEO and down. Really not sure why you think that others can't study and read data sheets except you but we can. If you even knew how many different prototypes and paths we take you would be surprised. The difference between us is I don't have low self esteem. I don't need anyone missing my ass to feel good about myself. At the end of the day I take care of my customers, treat them the way I would want to be treated, and try my hardest to offer a good product at a fair price. I know you still haven't learned about retail prices yet but I think you are starting to understand the real world of not just direct sales. I would've been super friendly with you from the get go but it was never meant to be. Hell I even kicked the idea around of asking you to join us. I could never get around to it because you always attacked me at every chance. I knew what I know now that to run with the big boys it's going to be bigger than JLG NLG PLC HLg and all the companies in this forum combined. We didn't announce our partnership for a long time but we've been working together since Sept/Oct 15.


It really is a pity you let your personal hangups get in your way as much as they do.......
It's april, means you were done and moved on from your first ever build...and you are not trying to claim that before you built your AC DIY you were doign anything else other than looking to buy a SK or Apache. So again, you didn't even have your DIY prototype ready yet if just built 2 years ago, nor a company till you built it and jumped in.
It is what it is...never said anything other than the timeline doesn't come close to matching. Trying to be doing something longer than you having doesnt help anyone, especially not yourself. You can fluff a paragraph of plans and ideas all you want...didn't validly answer a single question asked... but unfortunately they were asked knowing they'ld end up rhetorical.

Just keep things on the correct track of reality and there are no issues. Your threads are your free speech playland. But I come to an open thread about cree's new venture, which I was aware of and wanted to hear others views...but the first comment is you(that flagships a competitor's version) spouting about 2 years ago, that never actually happened 2 years ago. And even when it actually happened...is like calling Ferrari shitty cause they don't make the best hybrid. But is really besides the point of your direct blow at a possible competitor product was so very clear. You could very well jump ship and use whatever, so I'm not really sure what you angle is. Other than of course to try and imply some form or superiority by already being on a mid power train. Which is fine, nobody will say you weren't 4th to the party...your spot is saved in the samsung line.

So I am going to continue with this thread in the context it was meant. Hope you get more comfortable with yourself and can speak freely without need to overstate time so much.
 

Abiqua

Well-Known Member
Im curious too, Robin started asking me for advice in this time period and never presented the fact that he was working something in the background........it seemed like there was barely a grasp of concepts at the time, let alone an attempt at engineering....what a shitstorm....

You guys are selling a great product, but full of shit, with your dating. Even if GG is hating, you still beat around the bush and never answered the question?
How did you go from being a noob asking questions to producing lights at the same time....others of us were around too, way before you motherfuckers ruined this place......

I fucking hate this forum because of these fucking dumb catfights were all someone has to do is look up the history....I wouldn't be surprised to date these lights at the beginning of 2016 at the early early earliest.
 

Abiqua

Well-Known Member
Then the sun board claim too, which is antithesis of your gripe about your own product too. What horseshit. If there was any consistency in you led builders, this forums would be worth a shit, maybe.
 

Greengenes707

Well-Known Member
The other thing that cree announced just before was the new chips...
http://www.cree.com/led-components/landing-pages/nx
They are still pretty vague and just a general overview about it, but things like new packaging is interesting. The Da1000 chips they have had but not used in a package are a flip chip design, so that is a nice change...dmax seems in line for that. Waiting on more info from them, but all looks like the improvements that needed to be made...contingent on actual data coming out of course.

Here's the release...


Generation Lighting Systems
APRIL 17, 2017
DURHAM, N.C. -- Cree, Inc. (Nasdaq: CREE) announces a major LED breakthrough with the revolutionary NX technology platform that will power the next generation of Cree’s lighting-class LEDs. The NX technology platform enables the new Extreme Density (XD) LED family that delivers up to four times higher lumen density than Cree’s previous generation of high power LEDs. This new technology platform makes possible innovative new designs, eliminating current constraints for a wide spectrum of lighting applications such as color-mixing, directional lighting and industrial lighting.

“Cree continues to deliver LED innovation that fundamentally changes the rules and propels the industry forward,” said Dave Emerson, Cree LEDs senior vice president and general manager. “Our new NX technology platform builds on Cree’s advancements in epitaxial structure, chip architecture and light conversion, and leverages Cree’s lighting applications expertise. Unlike other technology platforms adapted from LCD backlighting applications, our NX technology platform was designed from the beginning to dramatically improve the performance of LEDs in lighting applications.”

The new NX technology platform embodies advances in a number of components and technologies, including the new Dmax™ LED chip, a more efficient phosphor system, new package designs and simpler manufacturing processes.

The first product available in the new family of XD LEDs is the XLamp® XD16 LED that delivers a breakthrough lumen density of up to 264 lm per square-millimeter, which is 50 percent higher than the best LEDs currently available. Specifically optimized for applications that require high light output and high lumens-per-watt, such as street lights and high bays, the new XLamp XD16 LEDs enable higher performance luminaires with better light control. In addition, the ceramic-based XD16 LED addresses challenges with assembly, thermal design, optical design and reliability that have been experienced with other competing LED technology platforms.

Engineering samples of XLamp® XD16 LED will be available by late spring, with production quantities to be available by the end of summer. For more information on the NX technology platform and XLamp XD family LEDs, please visit www.cree.com/nx.
 

coolj

Well-Known Member
you guys love talking sh$$, and some of you have these huge azz egos however none of you would be where you are if it were not for Supra an Realstyles!
 

Stephenj37826

Well-Known Member
you guys love talking sh$$, and some of you have these huge azz egos however none of you would be where you are if it were not for Supra an Realstyles!
Yep and as an extension Jerry from Kingbrite. I have paid my homage to Jerry over the years for sure... Still do.
 

CobKits

Well-Known Member
I was told a while ago(~6 months) Osram was making a big jump with their hyper reds soon, but haven't heard/seen anything of it. Still one of the best deep reds... but a extra souped up hyper red would be awesome.
so thats one gen past their "horti SSL" series?
 

coolj

Well-Known Member
Ive been in to leds and following the progress since Blackstar led was the shit..I have talked with Apache tech about leds and the various led Co. that have spawned, from what Ive heard, everyone thats glittering aint gold.

Its just amazing how folks have attached some wires to some chips and put it on hunks of metal and act as if they have done something ground breaking, like they are CREE or OSram.

wow!
 

coolj

Well-Known Member
yea styles might have been a troll, but you wouldnt have had jerry without him. and his cookie cutter light design really helped spawn a lot of DIY'rs
 
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