do my leaves look ok ?

It's coming along for sure man. I like it. you're using the light mover in there right?

That's awesome that your government takes your water seriously. Our government does too.....just not in a good way lol.

p.s



will runn the light all night (extra 6+ hrs) and then have my fist 12 hrs dark time .. so my light will be on from 17:30 in the evening to 5:30 in the morning .. will allow me to do my the stuff in ther (water etc.) after work from 17:30

and one more thing .. the light dont have to burn when Im not at home .. just need to buy a fire allarm for the room .. local shop was out when I lookd the other day ..

so day 45 from seed .. so if it normal takes like 2 weeks for flowering to begin I reccon they will be at day 60 or so ..
have been lolipop them a littel evry day since they came in the room .. mostly just them bottom leaves close to the pot and a few who was in the way from the under growth .. also just gave em full Veg nutriens for the fist time the other day .. so next time (next week) I will switch it around (1-3/N-PK)

hope all them size shoots realy grow up doing the next 14 days .. the side shoots on the side shoots is 1-8 inches now ..
and they have been makeing random leaves for a few weeks now ..

yea as we have clean wather we do entent to keep it that way .. if ther sumtimes are some kind of bug in the water it is all over the news and trucks is driven out to the locals in that location to provide them with clean water wile they work to find the reason and fix it ..

and no .. its still not a light mover .. Im affraid ..
just a poot light

http://www.basementlighting.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?page=1/PROD/HRLP

nice one .. but a older modle .. but still good enough for my size of room and 2-4 plants Im sure ..

have it now sumthing like 25 inches away from the tops .. temps is slightly hot ther .. like 86-88F or so .. hope its get better now .. at night with the direct air intake aso.

might just let em grow up them 5-7 inches before moveing anything .. if they do stretch so much the fist 14 days of 12/12 ?

Yea, if they are about 18" right now, you can expect them to be 30-36" in two weeks. For real. If the times are still that high though, you're gonna want to keep them at least 24" away from the light the whole time, which means adjusting height about every day. The hotter they get the taller they will try to grow. You don't want to get a lot of stretching between the buds on the branches, you want the buds to stay close together.

kool .. they look realy good this morning (after +23 hrs of light)

light will go off in 15 minuts when I leave for work .. did some work last night to make it realy light tight ..
seems like they grow realy well now and seems like they cope realy well with the HPS and 83-88F ..

so I guess Ill just keep them at 25" for now and let em grow in to the light and keep a eye on temps.

lets see .. I notice that temps is like 72-75 when light gets on and like 3-4 hrs after ..only slowely raises .. so if it gets on in the evening and only stays on for 12 hrs doing night time I might be able to keep Temps around 80-85F when highest ?

and yea 18" is about right .. thing the FIM shoots is longer .. tho the LST might be just about 18"

but it schould be a short plant to begine with (like 25-30" I read .. dunno it this is fully adult ?)

damn it .. want to check on my plants .. just came home from work .. but its "night time" now .. for 2 hrs more .. dont like this 12/12 cant get in to check on them

nice ... just nice .. look at em




5 minuts after fist light at day one of 12/12 .. just got ther fist 12 hours "night"

will be day for them now from 17:30 to 5:30 in the morning .. to keep temps down .. and it also fit me .. so I can be at home when its on ..



allmost my own littel sea of green

wonder how much I possible can haverst (dry) from them two girls ?
is 6 oz in total to high of a goal ?



also love me evening temps and they will only drop so hopefully it will keep the HPS heat down to sumthing close to 26-29 C (78-84F)
I will watch and see how fast and how high my temps get up ..

but right now they look good



sumthing ike 23C/73F (humidity 40%)

guess (with out knowing) that it have been up around 24-25 at mid day (night for plants) and maybe as low as 20C/68F
so night temp for my plants is like 68-77F and hopefully day will be 78-84 most of the day (12 hrs) atlest ..

good news

2½ hour since light got on .. Temps is like 78 in the room and was like 82 at plants top ..

so moved the plants up a few inches (finaly found a good use of my 36 pieces lexicon collection)

so now they are like 22 inches away .. and schould get +8K Lumen ..

would be nice if I could keep em with in 20" or so .. to give em +10K Lumen ..



seems like doing 12/12 light time .. at evening/night is the way to go for me ..

Yup, it'll definitely keep temps down more if you run it at night. A lot of people do that.

Man, they look great in there. They're gonna blow up and look awesome.

I finally got a bunch of work done on the tents today, I'm taking a rollitup break and then I'm gonna do some more work. Here's some pics. First one is the OG Kush I just trimmed, the rest are of two side by side rooms.

cool .. seems like you have a lot of fans .. filters and cooltubes going on in ther

will one room be for veg and one for flowering ? and what kind of light do you runn ?

and now we are at it .. how many plants do you grow at the time ?


and sure .. evening/night temps and the fact that half my intake is comming directly from out side do help a lot .. like 4-5 degress F.
atlest ..

insted of 80-85 in the room and 85-88 at the plant tops I now have like 78-80 in the room and like 82-84 at 22 inches away ..

funny must be the fan/ventilation .. but it dont seems to be a big diffrent between room temps and under the light all the way up to like 20 inches away from the 600W HPS ..



btw
Im giving them this floraduo .. a+b (will now switch around to more b then a as they are in flower ..
but I also got this Ripen .. (NPK = 0-6-5) as fare I can understand I use it (and ony that) the last two weeks or so ?

but what about flushing ? I heard so much about
is that the last week or so ? and how exatly do you do it ? flush one time with 3x water and then let em dry out before haversting them ? and do you haverst at dark time ?

sorry for all them questions

btw

think I found my "sweet spot" when it comes to tempertures

this seems to work well (will still buy a better tube for the fresh air intake tho .. a 100mm )

but temps is stable it seems .. 6 hrs with lights on ... half way ... and night is comming now so it will only get colder ..

and right now I have 80F in the room and 82-83F at plant tops .. and it seems more fresh in ther now .. before with out the fresh air intake it was a littel more like a sauna .. now its smell like outside

Slipon said:

cool .. seems like you have a lot of fans .. filters and cooltubes going on in ther

will one room be for veg and one for flowering ? and what kind of light do you runn ?

and now we are at it .. how many plants do you grow at the time ?


and sure .. evening/night temps and the fact that half my intake is comming directly from out side do help a lot .. like 4-5 degress F.
atlest ..

insted of 80-85 in the room and 85-88 at the plant tops I now have like 78-80 in the room and like 82-84 at 22 inches away ..

funny must be the fan/ventilation .. but it dont seems to be a big diffrent between room temps and under the light all the way up to like 20 inches away from the 600W HPS ..



btw
Im giving them this floraduo .. a+b (will now switch around to more b then a as they are in flower ..
but I also got this Ripen .. (NPK = 0-6-5) as fare I can understand I use it (and ony that) the last two weeks or so ?

but what about flushing ? I heard so much about
is that the last week or so ? and how exatly do you do it ? flush one time with 3x water and then let em dry out before haversting them ? and do you haverst at dark time ?

sorry for all them questions

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Actually, with chem nutes, the ONLY thing you want to do for the last 2 weeks IS flushing. You get salt build up in the soil from chem nutes, so you have to flush the soil by using about 10 times the amount of water you normally use to water. Then you use straight water for the last 10-14 days to get the rest of the nutes out of the plant. Your probably supposed to use that product the FIRST 2 weeks of flower.

I can't really give you too much nutrient advice though unless you switch over to organics buddy. I don't know a lot about chem nutes, except Fox Farm. But if you spend less than 100 bucks on some GO products and a few other things I can open up a new world for you man. Lol. I swear to god my Blue Dream tastes and smells like candy. I'm not sure if it's from my compost teas, or from using a mostly coco coir mix, or both....or what. But I can't wait to see what my Jilly Beans taste like.

And I leave them in the dark for at least 48 hours before cutting them down, and I cut them in the light of day one at a time though. Supposedly leaving them in the dark for that long triggers the plant to produce more resin.

And those are both flowering rooms. My veg room is the smaller room through the doorway just outside of the pic. It's a 10x8 room. But right now there's a 4x4 veg tent, and the project for this week is to build another veg tent for mothers and small clones and started seedlings on bottome, and rooting clones and germinating seedlings on top. I'm gonna post it as a DIY or whatever and post all the pics and the process after I'm finished, I just gave you a sneak peak lol.

This was my flowering room up until the plants I just harvested
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Now it's going to be the room I use to stretch out the plants that we juice for the two weeks of 12/12 just to get them big fast. I've got Cannatonic seedlings that have been vegging for 8 days now. Cannatonic is supposed to be 6% CBD....which means just a few tablespoons of the juice from the leaves will prevent me from getting hundreds of diseases lol. I love it.

That tent is 10x3.5. It's right behind the two I just finished, so I have a 2.5 ft walkway through it. The two side by side ones are both 7'x4'. Right now there's just one 600w HPS in each, but by the end of the month I should be able to get light movers for both of them, and then next month switch them to 1000w's if I think I need to.

I'm hoping to be able to get 1.5 lb under the 600 once I have the light mover. If I can do that then I'll probably do a side by side with one of them being 600w and one being 1000w and see what the increase is. Even though we're legal I don't like to tip the scales with power usage.

Which reminds me, that is why these rooms are so FUCKING AWESOME lol. They are my little present to myself. I love doing side by side tests and comparisons to test products or to prove points or to learn, and so on. It's what makes it all worth it for me. It sounds like you're kinda into that too, since you have a FIM and a LST right next to each other lol.

So the beauty of this is that I literally have two side by side tents that I can keep temps the same in, change temps in, change light height in, change amount of co2 in, change grow method in, change number of plants in, change nutrient programs or schedules in....and SOOOO OOONNNNN. Lol. So this is super awesome for me and I'm excited about it.

But you know the feeling because you yourself just designed a bad ass room.

yea its half the funn .. allmost looking for stuff to fix/make better

Im sure my boss would love for me to work as hard and that enthusiastic


also why I did FIM and LST as you wrote .. to see what I like the most .. I must admit that I realy like the FIM ..
when I did grow outdoor we sumtimes did top em .. put FIM is new to me .. and after you FIM em you can easily LST them aswell ..

think this is the way for me ..

and yea Im happy with my room .. will serve me good Im sure
but damn I wish I had your space ... Ooh well have to do whit what you have I guess ..

have also been thiniking of useing my closed in my room for seedings .. its like 3x3 feet or so .. could take out a shell or two and fit a 125W CLF .. just to have a place to start em so I have some 2 weeks seedlings ready to put in the room once I haverst .. dont have space to make a real Veg room .. but 2-3 weeks is also nice to cut off the growth ..


and I will look in to organic nutriance for sure .. but still have them floraduo bottels and with only 2 plants I still have for a few grows
will have to look in to this Ripen I guess .. and flushing .. 10x the water you say !! is`t it enough just to stop with nutriens last two weeks or so ?

maybe also look in to coco as grow media ? or a good dirt mix ..could be funn to mix it your self .. dunno also still considering DWG .. but maybe to ealy to start with that .. need to have the basic 110% under controle .. or I wont find peace


1,5 lb under one 600W !! if I can get half Im happy

Ooh yea and now we are talking about working on grow rooms ..

temps was a bit high this morning .. last hour of light on .. nothing allarming .. just the "normal" 84F and for more then half of the 12 hours light time it was like perfect 76-80F


but got me thinking ..

next month (next pay chck) I could maybe get this:




125mm ventilation .. 220 / 280 m³ / h

it fits my filter as it is a 125mm filter and it can easily take it ..

was thinking to swarp it so I have 220/280 m3/h insted of the 187 I have now ..

and then maybe use the 100mm fan ... on low 145 m3/h for the intake ... fit it in a 100mm plastic tube and let it pull fresh air from out side dirctly in to my intake "box"

you think this would work ?
is 145 m3/h for intake to much/litte for a 220/280 m3/h out take ?

or maybe just one 100mm more .. 187 for out take and 145 m3/h for intake ?

We go by cfm in the states, do you know what the cubic feet per minute is on the fan? a cubic foot would be m3 divided by 27 if that helps lol. But yea, a stronger fan will keep it a couple degrees cooler, and also give your plants more oxygen to get bigger.

Funny you mention LSTing after a FIM..I just tried this for the first time...kinda. I'll post pics later, I'm still working. But my OGs and my White Rhinos both got almost 2' tall on a few branches in veg and I needed to flip them today, they're part of my compost project. So I put the tomato cages on and ziptied and string-tied branches down to the lower ring around the tomato cage.

I put them under 12/12 already, so in a week or so I should know how it worked. I'm hoping all the growth will climb up about 12 inches if I feed hard. I'm gonna do the same thing on my blue dreams tomorrow when I replant, but I'll veg those for a few weeks to try to get actual colas before I flip them.

I guess your right .. as a feet is like 33 ccm

so 3 feet = 1 meter ...

so 3x3x3 feet is one room meter ..

3x3x3=27 room feet or cubic if you like ...

so I guess the fan I have on max can remove 187 m3/hr

= 3 m3/ a minut or close .. is the same as 81 kubic feet a minut ..


and yea you use feet and inches and fahrenheit and all kind of wierd stuff get me a bit confused sumtimes as I have to calculate/convert evrything .. Im surpriesd that your hours dont have 100 minuts .. tho you do use AM/PM that also confuse me sumtimes (we in most of EU as fare as I know .. maybe not the UK) use "military" time so to speak .. from 1-12 in the morning and then we go on 13 .. 14 .. untill 24H = midnight ..

dunno .. when you used to sumthign I guess the other thing looks odd

and yep .. FIM and then LST the new shoots seems to work well .. if you ask me with all my experiance

but I like it .. 12 nice big shoots I have on mine .. all steams are thik as a pensel and is like 30-40 ccm
all with pretty tight nods .. atlest 4 tops and 4 more lower down .. I wonder how much one of them colas will give ?

10g would seems with in ranges .. then it would provide me with 120 grams (4 oz or so)

and also the reason why I might have put em in 12/12 a week before I countet on .. all the stretching and grow ..

if your right (and so fare you have been) and they atlest grow 50% more in hight ...I will end up with +1 meter high kush plants even tho they are FIM/LST


lets see ..

to day I watch the temps agin .. and still 26C in the room and like 28-29C at the very top of the plants ..even after a few to 5 hours .

so I moved em up to 20 inches from the light with no effect on the temp it seems .. still under 30C witch I would like to keep as my limit ..

+35C schould be harmfull to them if the "books" is right .. 25C would be best .. so 30C schould work as I would like to keep em with in ½ a meter
(20 inches) from the light to get +10K lumens on ther tops and still ok light at the lower grow ..

Our system for measurements of EVERYTHING is a shining example of how stupid, stubborn, and hard-headed America is. It's garbage lol. I will welcome switching over to metric if I move to another country.

Yea, your fan is garbage that's why the room is so hot lol. You should have AT LEAST a 200cfm fan in there. You're not even going to be able to get enough fresh air in there with less than 200 cfm, you'll have to keep the curtain open. You've either gotta get a better fan, or get co2. One or the other. But if you're gonna be spending money, you might wanna see if your hydro store has a deal on a small co2 system.

I took a page out of your book then here we can say.


5 OG Kush and 4 White Rhino. I LSTed all the taller branches down to the lower ring of the cage. I'm gonna lower the light closer to it tomorrow, I'm hoping to get most of the growth to climb up through the top ring over the next 10 days or so and then I'll unstrap the branches. I've been getting low yields lately lol, had to do some real work today!

yea metric is easy ...if you ask me .. but I also use it on daily bases ..
stuff I build at work have to be with in 2 tenths of a milimeter and ther are 10 milimeter on a cencimeter and a inch is 2½ cencimeter ..


so my fan is rubish .. hmm ok well .. it was the smallest and cheapest I could find of them canal ventilations .. but still .. if my mat skills still works .. it would empty my room in under 3 minuts (on max and with out filter)

3 minuts schould be ok .. guess it might be more like 5 minuts with filter on aso. but that schould also work ..
Ooh well guess I have to look for a number or two bigger if it becomes a real problem with heat .. fresh air they get plenty of ..

right now Im kool .. as I run it at night .. fist 6 hrs or so I can keep it spot on .. under 80F .. maybe 78-80F ..
next 3 hrs or so it just begin to climp over 80F .. maybe 82F and last 3 hrs before lights go out it might be around 82-84F ...

so not that bad ..

as I said .. if it becomes a real problem or maybe next grow .. I can by a 125mm or 150mm who can empty my room in 1 minut (btw can it be to much ? I mean the plants also need to breath .. right ?)

and if I buy a 125/150mm I can use the 100mm as intake or maybe if I buy a cooltube at some point ?

or a 3th possibility .. buy one more of the same kind (100mm) and runn boath when its hot/light on and one when its night time ...

how do them tomato cages works ? dont they take up a lot of room ? and are they nesseary for LSTing ?
I mean what is the deal with em ?

My fans empty all the air in less than a minute.

The tomato cages are awesome, but you'd have to look around to get something similar to what I have. Typically they are HUGE bulky metal cages, but I use thing light plastic coated cages. They are a little over 2' tall and have an 18" diameter around the rings. So there is a lower ring and an upper ring that have 3 stakes holding them in place basically. So all the branches that grow up can stay through the middle and lean on the rings of the cage. That way it's like a SCROG setup, but I can move the plants if I need to and they can blow around from the fan a little, and I don't have to mess with nets. And yea, it makes the way I LSTed them super easy. You'd like them.

I started my journal, you should stop by. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/534217-first-shot-using-teas-worm.html