Fems own Regs - the best out of 200 female genotypes

People, he didn't exclude any specific breeders, he simply posted a comprehensive list of strains by seed type based on what he's grown out over a few years. I've never seen such a comprehensive list of strains someone has grown first-hand, tracked by seed type and breeder. That's first hand experience over a few years posted right there, invaluable information/reference. idk that I agree with the findings (fem vs. reg) as technically it's not a big enough sample, but damn, that's a nice top ten list! Just saved me a few months if I can fit in a few new strains to try next year, thanks again @SupraSPL

This should be stickied. Great theory with a pretty decent test group to back it up.
Nice work.
Thanks.

Oh my oh my there has been tests after tests comparing Fems vs Reg although Fem were introduced to by pass the males but its also created many issues to give you a better percentage of female to make ratio
Since the introduction of feminized seeds there has been a steady increase in Herm/ nanner's
Fems do have there advantage for the novice grower that does not have to worry about male plants OH snap wait a minute or do they ???
We get the same story all the time you get hermies from reg beans also lol truthfully speaking i call BS on that you get a good hybrid male and female strain cross them and they will not hermie , have solid strains now and have tried to hermie them i am talking temps that almost boil them light off for a week on non stop off and on temps as cold as almost freezing and guess what NOT a Hermie nanner nothing
do this to 90 percent of a fem seed line and you got serious issues
Most importantly is now for that commercial grower ??? you know them ones growing 2000- 5000 plant grows ???? with large investments tied to it ??? whats the odds of failure with just that 10 percent the flipped to male???
Or produced nanner's etc at what cost does a person say
5 - 6 weeks veg on normal reg seeds cull true males keep true females clone and your off to the races
Also people tend to forget what has truly happened with that selfed feminized seeds
is just that half of the Genetic material is gone that fem seed genetic code is bottle necked
and only the actual breeder has the code or key..
the plant can only identify and attack pathogens and disease that it knows any new pathogens or disease will in fact kill it as it can not evolve like mother nature intended in all species of life
also with feminized seeds is it has greater chances to mutate or like many people have noticed deformed leaf pattern etc ,,,, If you do not believe me be more then happy to post links from the internet thousands of issues more then reg seeds
Feminized seeds is a abomination of the marijuana seed pool no different what so many hate Monsanto close you think ????i think ???
bottom line there are plus and minus of both reg and fem beans ,, but to say Fem is better is just plain wrong ,, its all about money and greed in today's breeding circle thanks to the Dutch
Breeders were forced to start there fem programs to keep up with sales and keep there customers and also lure in more ..
At the End of the day the real top end breeders are in search of non touched sativas , and indicas and keeping them in original form
As most original land races start getting bastardized in there original habitat which has already started in places like Jamaica , Mexico and many more areas
This will eventually lead to a major decline in over all natural seed populations ,,
When will we as Humans realize everything we touch we tend to ruin
WAKE UP FOLKS

Great post. It must have been very fun to go through all those beans. variety is the spice of life huh?

forgive me if I'm wrong but it seems as though your math and methodology is a bit off. 15% is not 6x 5.5%. Closer to 2.75x.

"out of 91 females that came from regs: 5 standouts (5.5%)
out of 94 females that came from fems: 14 standouts (15%)
out of 10 females from passed cuts: 1 standout (10%)

Based on that so far I am 6 times more likely to find a standout lady from a fem bean than from a regular bean."

Also I hate to be a stickler but you would have had to run the same amount of samples from each strain to come to a proper conclusion. Not some singles and some full packs. I also think you would have had to test equal amount of reg ladies as you did fem's. Either way great job on the grows. Looks like some fire!!!

Feminized seeds give you no higher probability of hermaphrodism than regular seeds. It's not the process of reversing a female plant that creates problems, it's the genetics that you are working with. If you take a strain that is predisposed to hermaphrodism and breed with it, the offspring stand a good chance to carry that trait whether the resulting seeds are feminized or regular.

Not having regular seeds would be criminal.

Feminized seeds have done me well over the years and I do still buy them. But I much prefer to also have regular of the same variety. Feminized to help find female specimens.
A female strain with no males produce a novelty to me and should never replace a true breeding strain. Otherwise the strain is only yours as long as the product is made available. Which may be very important in the future with the greedy types hoarding.
S1s start being made because no males are present and now the strain is being possibly detrimentally inbred.

I think female seeds are really good for finding nice specimens but care needs to be taken supporting breeders who keep regulars in stock
It's why I love breeders like Bodhi. Regular seeds quality controlled with consistently great results. As good as any fems I've ever bought.

May have to tap into that top ten list. There's always a male around to turn it back regular. Just a lot easier when it's already been done by the breeder.

2ANONYMOUS said:

Feminized seeds is a abomination of the marijuana seed pool ......

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I have jars of buds in the cupboard. Some from regs, some from fems. I'd bet you a grand that you'd have no idea which is which after inspecting them, and after smoking them.

Therefore, every negative line in your epic essay means absolutely nada to me, amigo.

2ANONYMOUS said:

When will we as Humans realize everything we touch we tend to ruin
WAKE UP FOLKS

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C'mon.......not everything. Have you dined in a Ruth's Cris? Driven a corvette?

Remember when you used to need a church key to open soda cans?

Amos Otis said:

I have jars of buds in the cupboard. Some from regs, some from fems. I'd bet you a grand that you'd have no idea which is which after inspecting them, and after smoking them.

Therefore, every negative line in your epic essay means absolutely nada to me, amigo.



C'mon.......not everything. Have you dined in a Ruth's Cris? Driven a corvette?

Remember when you used to need a church key to open soda cans?

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I have pounds of organic grown and chemical grown i bet you could not tell the diference

No disrespect Supra you've inspired me to build. But I've seen similar results but to make sure I will pm my address and send some of those beans my way to verify.

2ANONYMOUS said:

Oh my oh my there has been tests after tests comparing Fems vs Reg although Fem were introduced to by pass the males but its also created many issues to give you a better percentage of female to make ratio
Since the introduction of feminized seeds there has been a steady increase in Herm/ nanner's
Fems do have there advantage for the novice grower that does not have to worry about male plants OH snap wait a minute or do they ???
We get the same story all the time you get hermies from reg beans also lol truthfully speaking i call BS on that you get a good hybrid male and female strain cross them and they will not hermie , have solid strains now and have tried to hermie them i am talking temps that almost boil them light off for a week on non stop off and on temps as cold as almost freezing and guess what NOT a Hermie nanner nothing
do this to 90 percent of a fem seed line and you got serious issues
Most importantly is now for that commercial grower ??? you know them ones growing 2000- 5000 plant grows ???? with large investments tied to it ??? whats the odds of failure with just that 10 percent the flipped to male???
Or produced nanner's etc at what cost does a person say
5 - 6 weeks veg on normal reg seeds cull true males keep true females clone and your off to the races
Also people tend to forget what has truly happened with that selfed feminized seeds
is just that half of the Genetic material is gone that fem seed genetic code is bottle necked
and only the actual breeder has the code or key..
the plant can only identify and attack pathogens and disease that it knows any new pathogens or disease will in fact kill it as it can not evolve like mother nature intended in all species of life
also with feminized seeds is it has greater chances to mutate or like many people have noticed deformed leaf pattern etc ,,,, If you do not believe me be more then happy to post links from the internet thousands of issues more then reg seeds
Feminized seeds is a abomination of the marijuana seed pool no different what so many hate Monsanto close you think ????i think ???
bottom line there are plus and minus of both reg and fem beans ,, but to say Fem is better is just plain wrong ,, its all about money and greed in today's breeding circle thanks to the Dutch
Breeders were forced to start there fem programs to keep up with sales and keep there customers and also lure in more ..
At the End of the day the real top end breeders are in search of non touched sativas , and indicas and keeping them in original form
As most original land races start getting bastardized in there original habitat which has already started in places like Jamaica , Mexico and many more areas
This will eventually lead to a major decline in over all natural seed populations ,,
When will we as Humans realize everything we touch we tend to ruin
WAKE UP FOLKS

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I don't agree with you at all that the gene pool has been watered down, yes it does happen at times but at other times greater achievements are made. Now you got plants with frost that practically outweighs the leaf. Old folks tend to talk about watering down the gene pool and ruining everything.

Landraces might be getting ruined for sure but people are creating some incredible shit and improving upon it. I don't see thc dropping I see it increasing over the years.

Idk... Popping one fem seed from a line makes it much more "luck of the draw" than a true representation of what you might find.

Still an interesting thread...

Great science project. Could it be the case that feminized seeds usually are made from known stable plants or s1 of clone-only strains?
With regular seeds you will get the whole variety of whatever is in there. F1 more than stabilized, back crossed or cubed?
Just a theory though....

A true test of Fem vs. Reg keepers would be to grow a line that's offered in both fem and Reg from the same breeder, grow out equal number of females from both lines and see what comes out on top...

My .02 cents

2ANONYMOUS said:

I have pounds of organic grown and chemical grown i bet you could not tell the diference

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I've been on that bus for quite a while, friend, but how is that a response to my response - aka 'you lost me'.

coolkid.02 said:

A true test of Fem vs. Reg keepers would be to grow a line that's offered in both fem and Reg from the same breeder, grow out equal number of females from both lines and see what comes out on top...

My .02 cents

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Calconnection has both available for the various varieties they have.

Thanks for sharing your keepers! What a great post. 7 years of growing all in one post.
one question... looking at your list... what are your thoughts on mr.nice spice? I have a few packs to go through. Shark shock too.
-pH

Guys lets really think about it @SupraSPL . Fems are the way to grow if you are not looking for males to breed. No one wants to buy male clones except someone who wants to breed and as for hermie plants it's usually something the grower did. I like buying fem seeds so I don't have to sex the plant because I'm lazy lol.

Great post and a nice list of strains.

I agree more than just a few of each strain would need to be tested to know for sure but this is very interesting to me. I have a few fem strains I would love to cross and have a lifetime supply of beans to hunt through. Sannies Sugarpunch is one, would LOVE to cross my favorite pheno with another fruity ass kicker.

here's a link to a High Times article where someone did a side by side with a single strain SS AK47.
http://www.hightimes.com/read/regular-vs-feminized-seed-showdown

Again thats not a very thourough test , but still interesting in that the fems pulled ahead.

Sorry , I know high times is shit and SS isn't what it use to be. hahha

AKDrifter said:

Great post and a nice list of strains.

I agree more than just a few of each strain would need to be tested to know for sure but this is very interesting to me. I have a few fem strains I would love to cross and have a lifetime supply of beans to hunt through. Sannies Sugarpunch is one, would LOVE to cross my favorite pheno with another fruity ass kicker.

here's a link to a High Times article where someone did a side by side with a single strain SS AK47.
http://www.hightimes.com/read/regular-vs-feminized-seed-showdown

Again thats not a very thourough test , but still interesting in that the fems pulled ahead.

Sorry , I know high times is shit and SS isn't what it use to be. hahha

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I remember reading high times in the mid 70's. I still have a subscription. And the old marijuana growers guide. Hell I joined Norml. Still have my sky blue t. Gettin old.

No disrespect to any1 but what it should come down to is WHY pay for seeds that come from a female thats been chemically abused into creating male pollen, when you can buy regular seeds from a perfectly natural proven female?

The only 2 reasons Ive heard are so you dont have to worry about not identifying a male (before it pollenates the females).
And the 2nd reason is wasted space that these males (from reg seeds) take up...

Again no disrespect but come on.. any experienced grower knows its simple to identify a male , especially before it drops! Only new growers think that this is difficult. Its a no brainer?! Newbs are brainwashed into MALES are BAD! females are good...

And the 2nd reason wasted grow space on unwanted males! Again
males show themselves quickly, much quicker than females.. And in many cases males can be pulled while still in late veg/or at least very early flowerin stage... So wasted space is bs cause your staetin from seeds tryin to find the best females, males are long gone before your precious flowerin space comes into play.

Unfortunately most seed custi's are new to growing and dont realize when choosing the only 2 benefits to go feminized just arent worth all the bs. Worried about males? try always looking for your fem females turning herm!

Oh and fems are doing harm to genetics as a whole.1;1 breeding severly limits the diversity within the strains genes ect. were losing many strains that are no longer available as reg seeds. this is the future ,unfortunately! when it comes to business and making money cause that is what its all about its not about the love of breeding its about pounding the market with as many seeds as possible and capitalizing its gains you just have to look at breeders and there strains there crossing it with anything and everything what normally takes 5 years of selective breeding to get that cup winning elite champion with thousands of seeds planted now only takes what months lol