Flushing? Thoughts

jondamon

jondamon

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Northwood said:
This is not correct. It well known and accepted that plants also take up complex organic molecules such as amino acids:


www.pnas.org

Plants can use protein as a nitrogen source without assistance from other organisms

Nitrogen is quantitatively the most important nutrient that plants acquire from the soil. It is well established that plant roots take up nitrogen compounds of low molecular mass, including ammonium, nitrate, and amino acids. However, in the soil of natural ecosystems, nitrogen occurs...
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There are literally hundreds of papers published in the scientific literature on the subject of amino acid uptake by root and how these large molecules are later used by the plants.
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Read the RX green technologies I posted it talks about aminos etc.

oh by the way have they found a way to encapsulate the aminos so that they pass the casperian strip?

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More than anything aminos convert into ammoniacal nitrogen by the bioherd for uptake.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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maranibbana said:
Yes, I said “don’t flush in organics and do flush in synth”

And?
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And again why would you do that?

you’ve presumed that everyone using synthetic nutes is over feeding.

I barely even feed at half recommended strength let alone full strength.

this is using 0.7EC synthetic nutrients that according to manufacturer should be feeding at 1.8EC by now.

if I were over feeding even then I wouldn’t be “flushing” I would be gradually decreasing the rootzone EC so as not to shock the rhizosphere and send it into reverse osmosis mode where by water is actually excreted from the roots!7BEFF0DE-FF70-46A0-AF80-F65A8231C9B2.jpegD5E28777-220C-4A38-97E3-9055A1D949E4.jpegE7824AE1-2652-41C7-BBC4-E09A0BEDC740.jpeg02A3F341-1652-4F67-BD77-BB5F103A7AF6.jpeg
 
maranibbana

maranibbana

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jondamon said:
And again why would you do that?

you’ve presumed that everyone using synthetic nutes is over feeding.

I barely even feed at half recommended strength let alone full strength.

this is using 0.7EC synthetic nutrients that according to manufacturer should be feeding at 1.8EC by now.

if I were over feeding even then I wouldn’t be “flushing” I would be gradually decreasing the rootzone EC so as not to shock the rhizosphere and send it into reverse osmosis mode where by water is actually excreted from the roots!View attachment 4911992View attachment 4911993View attachment 4911994View attachment 4911995
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Nope, I don’t assume they are, saying If they do then they should ;)
 
maranibbana

maranibbana

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jondamon said:
And again why would you do that?

you’ve presumed that everyone using synthetic nutes is over feeding.

I barely even feed at half recommended strength let alone full strength.

this is using 0.7EC synthetic nutrients that according to manufacturer should be feeding at 1.8EC by now.

if I were over feeding even then I wouldn’t be “flushing” I would be gradually decreasing the rootzone EC so as not to shock the rhizosphere and send it into reverse osmosis mode where by water is actually excreted from the roots!View attachment 4911992View attachment 4911993View attachment 4911994View attachment 4911995
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So you reduce feeding as the plant ages....hmmmmmm, I wonder why...;)
 
maranibbana

maranibbana

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jondamon said:
It’s called understanding the nutrients you use and not needing to over feed to keep plants healthy.
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It was a sarcastic question
If homie doesn’t scale back...then homie should prob help the plant out and get some of that shit out so the plant can start to work from its reserves
 
jondamon

jondamon

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maranibbana said:
did you grow in soil with bottles/salts? If so then yes flush.

fully organic? No need.
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This does not say if you over feed.

this says if you use salts then flush.
If organic don’t.

that blanket statement has to have context otherwise you’ve seen what happens.
 
maranibbana

maranibbana

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jondamon said:
This does not say if you over feed.

this says if you use salts then flush.
If organic don’t.

that blanket statement has to have context otherwise you’ve seen what happens.
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Just lots of misunderstandings and assumptions from all parties today and yesterday
 
maranibbana

maranibbana

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jondamon said:
Not really.

this whole time synthetic users have been saying for 15 pages if you don’t over feed using synths there is no need for flushing anything out.
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If you want to be very specific like that actually no, none of them said those exact words
 
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Northwood

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jondamon said:
have they found a way to encapsulate the aminos so that they pass the casperian strip?
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Considering the casparian strip is not even water-permeable, I'm not sure how this is relevant? Amino acids and other organic molecules of low molecular weight are taken in by plants via membrane transporters, while bigger molecules like intact proteins likely enter the plant by endocytosis. Another (and probably more common) way that plants make use of proteins is by secreting exudates containing proteases which cleave the proteins to sizes that more easily allow them to enter the plant the more conventional transporter route.

Biologist hypothesize that this is an evolutionary adaptation that allows plants to supplement their nitrogen supply when mineralized sources are lacking.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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Northwood said:
Considering the casparian strip is not even water-permeable, I'm not sure how this is relevant? Amino acids and other organic molecules of low molecular weight are taken in by plants via membrane transporters, while bigger molecules like intact proteins likely enter the plant by endocytosis. Another (and probably more common) way that plants make use of proteins is by secreting exudates containing proteases which cleave the proteins to sizes that more easily allow them to enter the plant the more conventional transporter route.

Biologist hypothesize that this is an evolutionary adaptation that allows plants to supplement their nitrogen supply when mineralized sources are lacking.
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It’s relevant because aminos have to pass through the casparian strip and the endodermis.

claims about aminos etc super charge your plants etc are usually based on laboratory injecting these additives into plant vascular systems.

if using them makes you feel better though feel free. :peace:
 
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