gitmo detainees plotted detroit

jeff f

New Member
you can't fix stupid
okay smart guy, here is your chance.

why dont you educate the stupid and tell us where the bomber and the bomb plotters came from.....go ahead, i am listening...with your vast information and superior knowledge you should be able to give us all and education on where this plot originated...come on....we are waiting with baited breath.....hello, where did they come from mr. intelligencia....


george w hired them huh?
 

ginjawarrior

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okay smart guy, here is your chance.

why dont you educate the stupid and tell us where the bomber and the bomb plotters came from.....go ahead, i am listening...with your vast information and superior knowledge you should be able to give us all and education on where this plot originated...come on....we are waiting with baited breath.....hello, where did they come from mr. intelligencia....


george w hired them huh?
well the bomber himself was from a well todo family but who knows the plotters might have come from families that have had members killed by american bombs you never know,,,,
 

jeff f

New Member
well the bomber himself was from a well todo family but who knows the plotters might have come from families that have had members killed by american bombs you never know,,,,

well you sold me. rather than search for the truth from several fairly reputable news organizations, i will just phone you and take your PURE SPECULATION BASED SOLELY ON YOUR HATE FOR THE USA as fact.

seriously, thats your answer?

i got a better answer, all involved were part of a very well trained, world wide, terroristic organization. hows that. can you believe that maybe...jeese dude.
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
well you sold me. rather than search for the truth from several fairly reputable news organizations, i will just phone you and take your PURE SPECULATION BASED SOLELY ON YOUR HATE FOR THE USA as fact.

seriously, thats your answer?

i got a better answer, all involved were part of a very well trained, world wide, terroristic organization. hows that. can you believe that maybe...jeese dude.
lol your funny
 

jeff f

New Member
lol your funny
not funny at all.

master of all knowledge, where did the bomber and bomb plotters come from?

in order to prepare and make security decisions for the country we need to knwo....so tell us oh bright on...WHERE THE FUCK WAS THIS THING PLOTTED? WHO WAS INVOLVED?

we are all waiting....
 

Spitzered

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I didn't say you should feel guilty. You should, however, work to ameliorate the hypocrisy.

Where do we shove our noses? Hmmmmm............El Salvador, Afghanistan (esp. in the 80's - remember, Osama was on the CIA payroll), Iraq, Honduras, Bolivia, Guatemala....just to name a few. Would you like a detailed report from each of these countries? Or shall I just name the especially atrocious crimes, like the murder of priests?

And again, I don't say this so you will feel guilty. I just want you to consider the depth of this debate. Work out of your limited world view and think!
My limited world view comes from living and working in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi, Jordan, Bosnia, Nigeria, Egypt, Nepal, UAE and the Philippines.

I lived and worked with the locals and men from many other countries, and yes we talked about many things.

As for countries south of our border I only have relatives from Mexico, (grandfather came from Mexico in 1915, (yes, he was quite old when dad was born), and friends in Ecuador and Brazil.

I just asked for some specifics instead of standard slogan chanting.

As for Latin America the reasons behind our intrusiveness was based either on greed or fear.

Greed, the most notable that comes to mind would be the United Fruit Company.

Fear, well in the late 1800's it was fear of European influence, Napoleons brother in charge Mexico made us nervous, after that it was Germany.

After WW2 it was fear of the Soviet Union and the spread of communism that lead to poor decisions and obtrusive behavior.

As for atrocities like killing priests, I'll admit I don't know where the US went on a rampage against them, I know that Poncho Villa and the Mexican Govt. during the same period killed some priests. (when I was a kid I actually knew a man the rode with Poncho Villa).

I have no illusions about US behavior or behavior of other nations. Historically speaking the US would not break into the top 100 nations or empires in the role of bad guys.

Only perhaps the most recent.
 

ViRedd

New Member
So, the real question should be: What qualifications does Janet Napolitano have that makes her the best person to run a federal agency responsible for the security of 300,000,000 Americans?

Anyone else besides me getting disgusted with Obama's cabinet selections? These people are really starting to smell like a third-world Marxist cabal.
 

ruderalis88

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i couldnt care less about who you bash. if you read the entire thread, i posted a wash post article, a huffington post article a my place news article that all say the same thing. i led off with fox news because thats who reported it when i first heard it. i have no love for any news service. they all have flaws. but apparently as soon as someone mentions fox, your panties get all wadded up and you close your mind.

in order to fix what went wrong, first you need to uderstand what happened. then you should listen to the proposed fixes. if you hear someone offereing a fix that makes sense and works, then you let your politicians no what you support. if they dont support the fix you think will work, dont vote for them. whats so difficult to understand here?

yes, you are correct, the US ignored the red flags. thats pretty much the point of the whole thread. they ignored the dangers imposed by releasing terrorist. who ignored them? who is responsible for sending them to art class? now lets work together and get rid of them. thats all, not difficult. its a problem solving of a free society. some have difficulty understanding how a free society works.

apparently some of you are more concerned bashing a particular news source ignoring that i cited at least 4 that have the same information from saudi and american govt sources.

now it appears these terrorists were forced to sit through art appreciation classes...talk about torture.

whats your proposed solution? seriously, what is it? or dont you have the ability of critical thinking?
you know, i think there might be slightest hint of agreement between us here, for once. i see this whole debacle as a giant cock up by the USA, who are now complaining about it. I believe that you see it as a giant big cock up by the Obama administration. Well, democracy's a bitch cause no matter who you vote for the government always get in.

My proposed solution? You won't like it, but i propose that we (we that have more experience of foreign affairs and existence as nations) revoke the independence of the united states of america, send every expat worldwide back to the former US and then close all your borders.

Nobody in, nobody out.

You can fuck all each other up without pesky foreign terrorists getting in the way.

Obviously there are a lot of Americans who'd be hard done by in this course of action but they're definitely a minority and would have to just take one for the team, sorry guys.

And if you tried to resist we'd send in our militaries to bomb the fuck out of your civilians, and label you all terrorists.

Fucking terrorists.
 

jrh72582

Well-Known Member
not funny at all.

master of all knowledge, where did the bomber and bomb plotters come from?

in order to prepare and make security decisions for the country we need to knwo....so tell us oh bright on...WHERE THE FUCK WAS THIS THING PLOTTED? WHO WAS INVOLVED?

we are all waiting....
Geez buddy. Again, please ease up! The only goal your accomplishing is the complete alienation of everyone on here. Fuck man...
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
not funny at all.

master of all knowledge, where did the bomber and bomb plotters come from?

in order to prepare and make security decisions for the country we need to knwo....so tell us oh bright on...WHERE THE FUCK WAS THIS THING PLOTTED? WHO WAS INVOLVED?

we are all waiting....
So instead of us listening to what actually is happening, and wanting to figure out exactly what went wrong where, we should jump onto your bandwagon of having no information besides the stuff that was wrapped in a lie and bomb another country based off of it.

Yeah you are off your rocker.

But it is ok, by your yelling and swearing demanding us answer who did what where, you some how deflect the fact that you swallowed a lie. I had shown you the exact quote, but hey since it is what was actually said I guess it should be disgarded and we should only listen to the bullshit that gets written about the lie afterwards.

Such a joke.
 

Don Hardin

Member
So instead of us listening to what actually is happening, and wanting to figure out exactly what went wrong where, we should jump onto your bandwagon of having no information besides the stuff that was wrapped in a lie and bomb another country based off of it.

Yeah you are off your rocker.

But it is ok, by your yelling and swearing demanding us answer who did what where, you some how deflect the fact that you swallowed a lie. I had shown you the exact quote, but hey since it is what was actually said I guess it should be disgarded and we should only listen to the bullshit that gets written about the lie afterwards.

Such a joke.
Lol "yelling". Smoke it off friends.
 

Rob Roy

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Sometimes the who did it question isn't enough to fully solve a problem. Perhaps examining the "why" somebody did it is a good step to understanding and solving the problem.
 

Big P

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its simple gentlemen


do not give these guys lawyers unless they are US citizens!!!:dunce:
do not close gitmo
try and execute the prisoners
rinse repeat



this is gettin redicules the only reason we are shooting ourselves in the foot is because of political reasons only

people acted like everything bush did was like an "omg nightmare" and in the process have totally took us off track and are harming our nation an its saftey

so now obama has to go around and be like "yeah bush was a jerk" lets get rid of this naughty gitmo prison"

lets put some soft ass bitch as the head of our fucking homland security"


again its simple gentlemen

do not give these guys lawyers unless they are US citizens!!!:dunce:
do not close gitmo
try and execute the prisoners
rinse repeat


some o you people are so stupid for giving a fuck about these prisoners, kill them

i mean fuck! that terrorist almost killed 300 of our fellow brothers and sisters

instead lets just kill our 300 or so prisoners and feed them to the pigs, then slaugher the pigs and feed them to the new detainees until they talk then kill them too
 

Big P

Well-Known Member
^^^ If you are going to offer trials, is it a foregone conclusion that all will be guilty?


if they are found guilty then execute them


they released 2 of these noobs in the bush admin and now these same fucks are all over the news across the world taking credit for the attack on christians' most sacred holiday making us look like a bunch of bafoons

i mean fuck if it wasnt for that flying dutchman the plane would have gone down

where is the outrage? im not even a christian but fuck peoples

its time to stop chewing bubblegum and start kicking ass baby!!!:wall:



The Flying Dutchman saved Flight 253


A Dutch film-maker, Jasper Schuringa, tackled the terrorist who tried to blow up Flight 253 from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day, the London Telegraph reported.​

Officials say the terrorist, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, of Nigeria, tried to use pentaerythritol tetranitrate — PETN — to blow the plane up, while seated in the window seat near the aircraft’s fuel tanks.
It sounded like a firecracker going off.​

“When [it] went off, everybody panicked then somebody screamed, ‘Fire! Fire!’ I didn’t hesitate. I just jumped,” Schuringa told CNN.

When the smoke came out, Schuringa noticed Abdulmutallab didn’t move even though flames were coming from his blanket.

Schuringa saw what looked to be a shampoo bottle strapped to the guy’s crotch.

“I pulled the object from him and tried to extinguish the fire with my hands and threw it away,” Schuringa said.

He was on his way to Miami via Detroit before taking a holiday in Costa Rica.

“I don’t feel like a hero. It was something where I had to do something or it was too late,” Schuringa said.
They already are calling him the Flying Dutchman.

The Associated Press report:
ROMULUS, Mich. (AP) – An attempted terrorist attack on a Christmas Day flight began with a pop and a puff of smoke – sending passengers scrambling to subdue a Nigerian man who claimed to be acting on orders from al-Qaida to blow up the airliner, officials and travelers said.​

The commotion began as Northwest Airlines Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers and 11 crew members from Amsterdam, prepared to land in Detroit just before noon Friday. Travelers said they smelled smoke, saw a glow, and heard what sounded like firecrackers. At least one person climbed over others and jumped on the man, who officials say was trying to ignite an explosive device.​

“It sounded like a firecracker in a pillowcase,” said Peter Smith, a passenger from the Netherlands. “First there was a pop, and then (there) was smoke.”​

Smith said one passenger, sitting opposite the man, climbed over passengers, went across the aisle and tried to restrain the man. The heroic passenger appeared to have been burned.​

Afterward, the suspect was taken to a front-row seat with his pants cut off and his legs burned. Multiple law enforcement officials also said the man appeared badly burned on his legs, indicating the explosive was strapped there. The components were apparently mixed in-flight and included a powdery substance, multiple law enforcement and counterterrorism officials said.​

The White House said it believed it was an attempted act of terrorism and stricter security measures were quickly imposed on airline travel. Dutch anti-terrorism authorities said the U.S. has asked all airlines to take extra precautions on flights worldwide that are bound for the United States.
The incident was reminiscent of Richard Reid, who tried to destroy a trans-Atlantic flight in 2001 with explosives hidden in his shoes, but was subdued by other passengers.​

Multiple law enforcement officials identified the suspect in Friday’s attempted attack as Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab. He was described as Nigerian.​

One law enforcement official said the man claimed to have been instructed by al-Qaida to detonate the plane over U.S. soil, but other law enforcement officials cautioned that such claims could not be verified immediately, and said the man may have been acting independently – inspired but not specifically trained or ordered by terror groups.​

All the officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.​

Intelligence and anti-terrorism officials in Yemen said they were investigating claims by the suspect that he picked up the explosive device and instructions on how to use it in that country. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the media.​

The man was being questioned Friday evening. An intelligence official said he was being held and treated in an Ann Arbor, Mich., hospital. The hospital said one passenger from the flight was taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, but referred all inquiries to the FBI.
Melinda Dennis, who was seated in the front row of the plane, said the man involved was brought to the front row and seated near her. She said his legs appeared to be badly burned and his pants were cut off. She said he was taken off the plane handcuffed to a stretcher.​

One law enforcement official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said Mutallab’s name had surfaced earlier on at least one U.S. intelligence database, but he was not on a watch list or a no-fly list.​

The suspect boarded in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam en route to Detroit, Rep. Peter King, the ranking GOP member of the House Homeland Security Committee, told CNN. A spokeswoman for police at the Schiphol airport in Amsterdam declined comment about the case or about security procedures at the airport for Flight 253.​

Dutch airline KLM says the connection in Amsterdam from Lagos, Nigeria, to Detroit involves a change in carrier and a change in aircraft.
Schiphol airport, one of Europe’s busiest with a heavy load of transit passengers from Africa and Asia to North America, strictly enforces European security regulations including only allowing small amounts of liquid in hand luggage that must be placed inside clear plastic bags.
A spokesman for the Federal Airports Authority of Nigeria, Akin Olukunle, said all passengers and their luggage are screened before boarding international flights. He also said the airport in Lagos cleared a U.S. Transportation Security Administration audit in November.
“We had a pass mark,” Olukunle said. “We actually are up to standards in all senses.”​

Nigeria’s information minister, Dora Akunyili, condemned the attempted bombing. She said the government has opened its own investigation into the suspect and will work with U.S. authorities.
“We state very clearly that as a nation we abhor all forms of violence,” Akunyili said in a statement issued Saturday.​

London’s Metropolitan Police also was working with U.S. officials, a spokeswoman said, and searches were being conducted in that city. The spokeswoman would not provide additional details, including what connection the suspect had to London or what was being searched. She spoke on condition of anonymity in line with department policy.
Delta Air Lines Inc., which acquired Northwest last year, said a passenger caused a disturbance, was subdued, and the crew requested that law enforcement officials meet the flight.​

Passenger Syed Jafri, a U.S. citizen who had flown from the United Arab Emirates, said the incident occurred during the plane’s descent. Jafri said he was seated three rows behind the passenger and said he saw a glow, and noticed a smoke smell. Then, he said, “a young man behind me jumped on him.”​

“Next thing you know, there was a lot of panic,” he said.
Federal officials said there would be heightened security for both domestic and international flights at airports across the country, but the intensified levels would likely be “layered,” differing from location to location depending on alerts, security concerns and other factors.
Passengers can expect to see heightened screening, more bomb-sniffing dog and officer units and behavioral-detection specialists at some airports, but there will also be unspecified less visible precautions as well, officials said.​

The FBI and the Homeland Security Department issued an intelligence note on Nov. 20 about the threat picture for the holiday season, which was obtained by The Associated Press. At the time, officials said they had no specific information about attack plans by al-Qaida or other terrorist groups.​

President Barack Obama was notified of the incident and discussed it with security officials, the White House said. Officials said he is monitoring the situation and receiving regular updates from his vacation spot in Hawaii.​
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
^^^ If a prisoner is from a country with an extradition treaty with the United States, shoud the United States extradite them?
 
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