Straw man and then binary options, if you wanna argue politics sweetie you gotta up your game.
Guns & Gun Violence
- Thread starter see4
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I say this calls for science.
Let's indeed pass out some guns. (Me! Me! Me!)
Let's actually evaluate the outcome.
THEN let's pontificate.
whitebb2727
Well-Known Member
Why is it the ones crying for more gun control are the ones fighting for more rights for these assholes?
They oppose the death penalty and let these monsters back out on the street.
They oppose the death penalty and let these monsters back out on the street.
Unless pontificating is your doing something
I think that went well 
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
see4
Well-Known Member
Would a ban on firearms do away with all guns? I think your argument assumes that a ban on guns means the eradication of them, nobody will ever have them. And we know that not to be possible.
bearkat42
Well-Known Member
My point is not that violence wouldn't occur. That would be ridiculous. But the killings would (in my opinion) have to decrease simply because of the proximity required to commit said killings.
I also don't really buy the "bad guys would still have guns" argument either. All of you armed cowboys running around bragging about your weaponry, who exactly are you stopping? What crimes are you preventing?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
But you are speaking as if the "stricter checks" get anything DONE.
I contend that they do not and are playing into the disarmers' agenda, the death of our civil rights by ten thousand mouse bites.
You cannot simultaneously hold both views.
Oh, Yess you can.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
guardiangk
Well-Known Member
Criminals do not obey laws.
see4
Well-Known Member
Right, guns themselves don't kill people; people do. A very valid argument.
Who can have a gun, and who cannot?
Currently, if you've committed a felony violent crime or beat your wife, which I suppose is a misdemeanor in some places, you can't has. No gun for you! (seinfeld)
If you are currently smoking the pot [or other drugs], illegally or otherwise, you can't has.
If you wanted to hang yourself, you can't has.
But it asks nothing about, "Are you a Jihadist?" or "Are you currently, or ever plan on, being off your rocker?"
How do you control that? Do you make it subjective to the gun dealer selling the firearm? Then you open the door for profiling.
Gun control is a very tough argument, in either direction. Obviously we can't get rid of guns, we can't ban them and we can't profile people. So what do we do?
Flaming Pie
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Subbed. The big boys and girls are here.
See4, c2g and cannibineer all in one thread???
This is gonna be good.
See4, c2g and cannibineer all in one thread???
This is gonna be good.
bearkat42
Well-Known Member
Never in history has more guns ever been the answer. Cowboy mentality aside, the numbers absolutely do not support that claim. Less guns equal less killings.
Flaming Pie
Well-Known Member
Not in russia. Those civilians have almost no gun deaths but have a lot of homicide.
Twice as much as the US with half the population as us.
They like their knives.
We realize some problems are bigger than us and go smoke a joint. I think the real question is with the internet and our ability to represent ourselves anywhere do we really need politicians. I think that might be the right question?
Dunno this batch of GG#4 is epic so I'm probably to stoned to participate anymore here, so I'm going back to TnT, waving............
see4
Well-Known Member
Definitely true. I'm not arguing with you on that.
But, there are enough guns out there to feed the black market for quite some time. How do you control that?
bearkat42
Well-Known Member
Isn't that what we're discussing?
see4
Well-Known Member
Somebody needs to send me some god damn GG4 - a cut, some shatter, some nugs... god damnit. I get no love. damnit.