how safe is buying marijuana off craigslist?

Well it's still my understanding that as a legal patient, me being a buyer is 100% legal, regardless of who sells it. The seller is however breaking the law even if he is a legal patient also.

I tried contacting about 10 people from craigslist and was never emailed or called back from anyone except a couple that insisted I make them my caregiver before even giving me any specifics about what they had available (despite the fact that I was EXTREMELY clear that i'm already my own caregiver, have much time and $ invested in equipment, and will hopefully have my own smokables in 1-2 months).

I just harvested my first plant last night though. It was looking real shitty. I think it got too stressed out; It didn't even have fan leaves for the last 6 weeks. It didn't smell like bud either. Very little trich production. It looked significantly better once I trimmed much of the leaves off; It actually looked like marijuana. I'm going to dry it in a closet and - well i'm going to follow ganjaluvr's guide and see how it turns out. I got a few more plants that should be ready in the next 2-4 weeks.

"who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card"

The law only protects those who have cards from arrest and seizure. Words are very specific in laws, pay attention. Since you sent your paperwork 20-25 days ago, your paperwork does not cover you from getting your pot seized, nor does it protect you from arrest. Only a patient "who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card" has those protections. FYI.

Now, whether the court will be able to process a case against you is another story, but just a fair warning that you can be arrested and charged with crimes related to marijuana unless you have a valid card on your person. This is why I stopped being caregiver for people outside of myself and wife. Too much hassle, If I was raided, my paperwork for the patients does not cover their 12 plants and I'm out a serious investment plus have a legal battle.

ugmjfarmer said:

"who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card"

The law only protects those who have cards from arrest and seizure. Words are very specific in laws, pay attention. Since you sent your paperwork 20-25 days ago, your paperwork does not cover you from getting your pot seized, nor does it protect you from arrest. Only a patient "who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card" has those protections. FYI.

Now, whether the court will be able to process a case against you is another story, but just a fair warning that you can be arrested and charged with crimes related to marijuana unless you have a valid card on your person. This is why I stopped being caregiver for people outside of myself and wife. Too much hassle, If I was raided, my paperwork for the patients does not cover their 12 plants and I'm out a serious investment plus have a legal battle.

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MICHIGAN MEDICAL MARIHUANA ACT (EXCERPT)
Initiated Law 1 of 2008

333.26429 Failure of department to adopt rules or issue valid registry identification card.

9. Enforcement of this Act. Sec. 9. (a) If the department fails to adopt rules to implement this act within 120 days of the effective date of this act, a qualifying patient may commence an action in the circuit court for the county of Ingham to compel the department to perform the actions mandated pursuant to the provisions of this act.
(b) If the department fails to issue a valid registry identification card in response to a valid application or renewal submitted pursuant to this act within 20 days of its submission, the registry identification card shall be deemed granted, and a copy of the registry identification application or renewal shall be deemed a valid registry identification card.
(c) If at any time after the 140 days following the effective date of this act the department is not accepting applications, including if it has not created rules allowing qualifying patients to submit applications, a notarized statement by a qualifying patient containing the information required in an application, pursuant to section 6(a)(3)-(6) together with a written certification, shall be deemed a valid registry identification card.

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http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-333-26429

from http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(3qvc4rjxykc3fwnhczqjbnrw))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-Initiated-Law-1-of-2008

Goodness I only hope Ohio will follow suit in MedMary soon!

Just salivating at the idea of all the jars of different strains just sitting there on the shelves begging to be smoked.......OMG....

The only legal transfers are from your registered care giver to you.

I wouldn't try to buy off of CL. Even if it is legal for you to buy MMJ for your medical use, you could conceivably be charged because you are participating in the illegal act of the seller.

I know it sounds jacked up, but the argument could be made. You could conceivably be buying mass quantities and reselling it.

Why is it so hard for people to just grow their own or remain within the confines of the CG patient relationship?

RickWhite said:

The only legal transfers are from your registered care giver to you.

I wouldn't try to buy off of CL. Even if it is legal for you to buy MMJ for your medical use, you could conceivably be charged because you are participating in the illegal act of the seller.

I know it sounds jacked up, but the argument could be made. You could conceivably be buying mass quantities and reselling it.

Why is it so hard for people to just grow their own or remain within the confines of the CG patient relationship?

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I disagree. I don't see how you could be charged.

Sec. 4. (a) A qualifying patient who has been issued and possesses a registry identification card shall not be subject to arrest, prosecution, or penalty in any manner, or denied any right or privilege, including but not limited to civil penalty or disciplinary action by a business or occupational or professional licensing board or bureau, for the medical use of marihuana in accordance with this act, provided that the qualifying patient possesses an amount of marihuana that does not exceed 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana, and, if the qualifying patient has not specified that a primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marihuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marihuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility. Any incidental amount of seeds, stalks, and unusable roots shall also be allowed under state law and shall not be included in this amount.

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(e) "Medical use" means the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, internal possession, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marihuana to treat or alleviate a registered qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.

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Why is it so hard for people to grow their own or remain in the confines of the patient/CG relationship?

TIMELINE

In order to get your card you must either have documentation of a real qualifying condition (HIV, cancer, etc) or if you go with severe and chronic pain you need at LEAST 90 days between your documentation. So the absolute best case scenario for someone with sever and chronic pain is:

1. day 0. Injury. go to dr IMMEDIATELY
2. day 90. Follow up on injury 90 days later
3. day 90. get mm certification and mail application in.
4. day 110. Legal to start growing and posses. Start grow from seed.
5. day 200. Smoke first of your own home grown (assuming 90 days to go from seed-veg-flower-dry-cure-smoke)

Thats IF you can time the dr appoinments exactly (which you probably cant), and IF you can grow medical grade from seed your first attempt with no problems and have smokable stuff from seed in 90 days (highly unlikely you could do EVEN if you knew what you were doing. more than likely it will take longer).

So thats a 200 day discrepancy between the injury and you smoking your own home grown, under the most optimal circumstances possible, assuming you adhere to the guidelines of the law exactly.

You don't see a problem with OVER A HALF YEAR of living with severe and chronic pain without medication? That is why its hard to adhere to the letter of the law. Once my harvests start rolling in and im all set I will never set foot in a dispensary or buy on the black market again, but theres a pretty huge gap between when I needed it and when my harvest will start coming in.

guy incognito said:

I disagree. I don't see how you could be charged.





Why is it so hard for people to grow their own or remain in the confines of the patient/CG relationship?

TIMELINE

In order to get your card you must either have documentation of a real qualifying condition (HIV, cancer, etc) or if you go with severe and chronic pain you need at LEAST 90 days between your documentation. So the absolute best case scenario for someone with sever and chronic pain is:

1. day 0. Injury. go to dr IMMEDIATELY
2. day 90. Follow up on injury 90 days later
3. day 90. get mm certification and mail application in.
4. day 110. Legal to start growing and posses. Start grow from seed.
5. day 200. Smoke first of your own home grown (assuming 90 days to go from seed-veg-flower-dry-cure-smoke)

Thats IF you can time the dr appoinments exactly (which you probably cant), and IF you can grow medical grade from seed your first attempt with no problems and have smokable stuff from seed in 90 days (highly unlikely you could do EVEN if you knew what you were doing. more than likely it will take longer).

So thats a 200 day discrepancy between the injury and you smoking your own home grown, under the most optimal circumstances possible, assuming you adhere to the guidelines of the law exactly.

You don't see a problem with OVER A HALF YEAR of living with severe and chronic pain without medication? That is why its hard to adhere to the letter of the law. Once my harvests start rolling in and im all set I will never set foot in a dispensary or buy on the black market again, but theres a pretty huge gap between when I needed it and when my harvest will start coming in.

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First off, while you do quote the law about not being prosecuted, you fail to cover the rest of the quote. Mainly the
"for the medical use of marijuana IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS ACT" as in if you follow the patient or caregiver rules.
People usually don't just wake up with chronic pain and decide to go get legal. I lived with chronic back and knee pain after
four operations in 24 years failed to help. While waiting six months to get legal may seem like a long time,
a good number of people have spent years, or in many cases decades in pain.
Just because something is legal doesn't grant you instant access to become legal for it. It is a process and having to wait
isn't an excuse to cut short, or skirt the law it's just part of that process.
In the example you give, the fastest way to legally medicate would be to have a caregiver anyway.

probo24 said:

First off, while you do quote the law about not being prosecuted, you fail to cover the rest of the quote. Mainly the
"for the medical use of marijuana IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS ACT" as in if you follow the patient or caregiver rules.
People usually don't just wake up with chronic pain and decide to go get legal. I lived with chronic back and knee pain after
four operations in 24 years failed to help. While waiting six months to get legal may seem like a long time,
a good number of people have spent years, or in many cases decades in pain.
Just because something is legal doesn't grant you instant access to become legal for it. It is a process and having to wait
isn't an excuse to cut short, or skirt the law it's just part of that process.
In the example you give, the fastest way to legally medicate would be to have a caregiver anyway.

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I have read the entire act, and it specifies caregivers may only assist patients that they are connected to through the system, but makes no such specification for patients. I still disagree and don't think its right, or legal, to charge a patient with purchasing from someone who isnt their caregiver.

The fastest way to legally medicate would be to get a caregiver, but then you give up your right to grow yourself. And any point that you decide to stop with your caregiver and grow yourself you will still have a lengthy gap on your timeline to go from seed to smoke, so it doesn't solve that problem if you intend to grow for yourself eventually. I'm sure there are compassionate caregivers out there giving a fair price to their patients for medicine, but I havent seen it. $400/oz for your patients is laughable and is an insult to the patient. I understand there are start up costs involved, as well as time spent, but there is virtually no risk involved so I think the prices are artificially inflated far beyond what they should be. The mm community is flooded with such people trying to make profit rather than help. I know your response is going to be about how many awesome caregivers you know that charge fair prices for their medicine, and i'm sure there are plenty, but I dont know a single one. My attempts to locate such people were fruitless. Perhaps if I showed up at a compassion club meeting I could find people that actually care, but I have a difficult time even finding information about them.

Just because you and other people have spent years, or decades, in pain doesn't mean an additional six months of pain should be endured for no reason. To suggest it does is absolutely ridiculous. You might as well make the argument that because you have spent a couple decades in pain so far you might as well just deal with it the rest of your life. I mean what's another couple decades if you've endured it this long? Oh yeah, it would be a couple decades of pain and suffering. Or 6 months. Call me crazy, but I think any suffering should be avoided if possible, regardless of time.

Edit: Also want to point out I didn't skip the "for the medical use of marijuana IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS ACT", I highlighted it in my original quote.

My point is, as the law is written today, you can't just apply, be ok'ed, and instantly legally smoke unless
you have a specific caregiver. The law doesn't cover anything other than that clearly enough for me to
want to voulenteer in le's test cases.
To the point of pain, it's not that i'm crying about years of pain, i'm just saying it almost sounded like an
"excuse" the way you put it. Like, ok if i use chronic pain to get my card, got to wait 90 days... whereas
people with chronic pain usually have some years worth of medical records saying so and don't have to
wait for anything other than state approval.
As far as prices, i know nothing about them, i grow my own and am not a caregiver.
The laws not perfect, but right now, as i see it you have two choices supply your own and wait for the first crop,
or the caregiver route. I hope the law does change but right now seems like the last thing any city wants is medical
growers doing business in their town. With a lot of the le community in lockstep, and itching to bust growers.
The closer people stick to the law, the better off we might be in both the short, and long term.
Things might be different if the 63% of us voters who passed this law were given the proper representation
by our elected civil servants, instead of being virtually ignored by them.
My intent was not to offend, we are on the same side of this conflict after all.

probo24 said:

My point is, as the law is written today, you can't just apply, be ok'ed, and instantly legally smoke unless
you have a specific caregiver. The law doesn't cover anything other than that clearly enough for me to
want to voulenteer in le's test cases.
To the point of pain, it's not that i'm crying about years of pain, i'm just saying it almost sounded like an
"excuse" the way you put it. Like, ok if i use chronic pain to get my card, got to wait 90 days... whereas
people with chronic pain usually have some years worth of medical records saying so and don't have to
wait for anything other than state approval.
As far as prices, i know nothing about them, i grow my own and am not a caregiver.
The laws not perfect, but right now, as i see it you have two choices supply your own and wait for the first crop,
or the caregiver route. I hope the law does change but right now seems like the last thing any city wants is medical
growers doing business in their town. With a lot of the le community in lockstep, and itching to bust growers.
The closer people stick to the law, the better off we might be in both the short, and long term.
Things might be different if the 63% of us voters who passed this law were given the proper representation
by our elected civil servants, instead of being virtually ignored by them.
My intent was not to offend, we are on the same side of this conflict after all.

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But it's a catch-22. Get a caregiver and never gain the experience and know how to grow your own quality stuff. Or grow your own...and wait for good results...which may take quite awhile.

Fuck it i'm gonna smoke anyway. Got a few plants harvested. Not too happy with the test runs. Hopefully the next couple plants in a couple weeks will be better. If not at least I can smoke reggos and make brownies out of this stuff. Gettin better at each harvest though.

Nice avatar btw

U can trade what ever u want and not get in trouble but as far as dealing with someone on cl be careful u can buy from liberty clinic in ann arbor but like u said once u have it u can not get in trouble

Whoever thinks patient to patient transfers are illegal in MI is an idiot. As a card holding patient you can purchase from anyone. And to the person that sais paperwork wont cover you. Sorry but you are also wrong. Ive been pulled over by state police as well as city police while delivering clones. And guess what i showed them my paperwork at the time, and both trooper and city cop said my paperwork was good enough for them and let me go about my business.

So if you dont know for sure dont pass on false info.

Motorcity Whip said:

Whoever thinks patient to patient transfers are illegal in MI is an idiot. As a card holding patient you can purchase from anyone. And to the person that sais paperwork wont cover you. Sorry but you are also wrong. Ive been pulled over by state police as well as city police while delivering clones. And guess what i showed them my paperwork at the time, and both trooper and city cop said my paperwork was good enough for them and let me go about my business.

So if you dont know for sure dont pass on false info.

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Actually, you only have to look on the application itself to know that it's you who
is passing bad information.
The application has two choices for obtaining medical marijuana legally, the first choice, you the applicant/patient
will grow and supply your own.
The second choice you have is to list a caregiver, who also must sign your application, and in turn is issued a
caregiver card with your information on it, provided your caregiver doesn't already have their five patient max.
The law does not specifically say anything at all about p2p transfers. So at best, that is a total gray area.

I'm not saying these two choices won't be changed, clairified, or expanded at a later date, but as of today both the law
and application plainly give us two options to obtain medical marijuana legally.

As far as what a cop or two told you, that really doesn't matter a tinkers damn.
It isn't a cops job to interpret the law, nor does their opinion on what is or isn't legal
really even matter. Cops enforce laws, they don't determine their legality.
I wish people like you would stop assuming cops are the be all end all authority on laws and their legality
because they are not.

probo24 said:

Actually, you only have to look on the application itself to know that it's you who
is passing bad information.
The application has two choices for obtaining medical marijuana legally, the first choice, you the applicant/patient
will grow and supply your own.
The second choice you have is to list a caregiver, who also must sign your application, and in turn is issued a
caregiver card with your information on it, provided your caregiver doesn't already have their five patient max.
The law does not specifically say anything at all about p2p transfers. So at best, that is a total gray area.

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Michigan Medical Marihuana Act

Sec. 3 - Definitions

(e) "Medical use" means the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, internal possession, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the administration of marihuana to treat or alleviate a registered qualifying patient's debilitating medical condition or symptoms associated with the debilitating medical condition.

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looks pretty clear to me!

skysthelimit said:

Strange.... I can't seem to find the medical marijuana category on my craigslist... guess ill just get a massage instead

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look under health and beauty

they're busting people on craiglist here in cali, fresno co say's craiglist isn't a dispensarie or co-op

There's no 100% legal anything regarding Marijuana in Mi. it's still illegal federally. So why chance it? Go to your local grow shop, get in touch with some local caregivers. See if the meds they are growing, meet your specific ailments needs. A good caregiver is going to try and help you find the best smoke for your needs. Personally, I'd stick with other MMPs. But again, the guys at out local grow shop help everyone who legally has their paperwork, connect up with what they need. And all legally.

well from What the lay says patient to patient is totally fine i have bought a lb of mid grade sour diesel form someone i have bought hundreds of clones to share with other patients and I currently post an ad on craigslist for clones to other patients but it is not selling it is a non negotiable donation for your time bills and nutrients. but yes you need to watch out for scammers
and people prob have been busted because they were not doing it right a guy i get dry meds off of from craigslist has met cops to buy weed off of them and they would bullshit around and say they lost part of their paperwork or they forgot their card hand he has never had any problems either happy smoking!!!!

Strange you are only allowed 2.5 ounces per person math doesnt add up,as well 12 plant per patient again math not adding up.All i can say to each their own good luck.