"I don't support universal healthcare because we don't have the support in congress.."

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schuylaar

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Rob Roy said:
I understand. I agree with you that it doesn't take a majority to violate your rights, it was a built in "side dish" assumption of my post.

If an individual doesn't have a right to do X, then you can't amass a sum of individuals, all of whom have no right to do X and somehow erroneously create a right from it simply because a bunch of people all agree to something which none of them as an individual has a right to do. Bet you thought you had me there, eh ?
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Actually, they do.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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Rob Roy said:
I understand. I agree with you that it doesn't take a majority to violate your rights, it was a built in "side dish" assumption of my post.

If an individual doesn't have a right to do X, then you can't amass a sum of individuals, all of whom have no right to do X and somehow erroneously create a right from it simply because a bunch of people all agree to something which none of them as an individual has a right to do. Bet you thought you had me there, eh ?
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No, not at all.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Grandpapy said:
No, not all.
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Okay. If you and I don't have a right to do x, for example, take something which doesn't belong to either of us from the rightful owner ...are you saying if we combine our inabilities to rightfully take something from the owner, we can create the right from nothing when neither of us possesses it as an individual?

How does that work?
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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Rob Roy said:
Okay. If you and I don't have a right to do x, for example, take something which doesn't belong to either of us from the rightful owner ...are you saying if we combine our inabilities to rightfully take something from the owner, we can create the right from nothing when neither of us possesses it as an individual?

How does that work?
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Survival of the fittest. Smartest.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Grandpapy said:
Survival of the fittest. Smartest.
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I'm not sure that explains how something nonexistent can come into being though.

I agree that people in extreme circumstances will do something beyond the scope of their rights, but it doesn't mean that the NONEXISTENT right to do x, can be created by the circumstances. If that were the case, all a thief has to say is, "I robbed from the other person, because I really really needed the money to buy some crack etc." Or, "I shit on a floor I don't own, because I really, really had to go etc."
 
ANC

ANC

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You are just not ready to see it. Over here we see whole communities lose their shit and go on the rampage.
They basically trashed a town last month again. Businesses running 30 years wiped out overnight.

Show me one US library or clinic set alight because the people were pissed off, here that hardly makes the back page.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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Rob Roy said:
I'm not sure that explains how something nonexistent can come into being though.

I agree that people in extreme circumstances will do something beyond the scope of their rights, but it doesn't mean that the NONEXISTENT right to do x, can be created by the circumstances. If that were the case, all a thief has to say is, "I robbed from the other person, because I really really needed the money to buy some crack etc." Or, "I shit on a floor I don't own, because I really, really had to go etc."
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....because sometime somewhere when you least expect it
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schuylaar

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ANC said:
You are just not ready to see it. Over here we see whole communities lose their shit and go on the rampage.
They basically trashed a town last month again. Businesses running 30 years wiped out overnight.

Show me one US library or clinic set alight because the people were pissed off, here that hardly makes the back page.
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Where is 'over here'?
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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ttystikk said:
Sadly, this is why they aren't heard in government.
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No offense but we don't need hobos running the country.

They're homeless because they made irreparably stupid decisions, yes we should certainly help them but beyond that you're talking crazy...weve enough fuck ups in Congress already.

Personally, I'd rather the highly educated run the show.
 
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