Insurance Is A Scam

Poll: Has your insurance covered a cost that you could not?

  • Yes, I would have to sell my house

    Votes: 8 50.0%
  • It would have hurt my bank Account

    Votes: 3 18.8%
  • No, $80 Sterilized socks for surgery is ridiculous

    Votes: 5 31.3%

  • Total voters
    16

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Correct, But they will pay 2-10 times as much for the same service if they pay the retail price.
It's kinda fucked up that there is a "retail" price for medical treatment in the first place.

If you come here and break your leg, you're treated in a hospital regardless of insurance, nationality, etc.
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
insurance is not a scam. it is an actuarial bet that you will almost always lose on by a bit. you and the thousands of others who lose by a bit cover the few that have claims.

it's a simple, straightforward proposition.

Why should I be legally obliged to wager on a bet? I don't believe "operating in public" is a legitimate response. I feel that I don't fuck up enough in public to warrant a forced agreement that incase I do, I must pay..

Sure, there are idiots that won't pay if they fuck shit up, but I don't see why instead of punishing them when such a situation occurs, they punish the law abiding citizens who already pay into it..

How hard would it be to go after an individual for not paying for the shit he fucked up? Not hard at all. Paying for insurance, month after month, is nothing but a scam. Say I never fuck up, I spent 20 years paying to car insurance with 0 accidents.. Do I see a refund? A compensation paycheck? Fuck no. They covered you in case you fucked up, not if you never did. You essentially gave them free, hard earned money, for nothing..

A scam, abso-fucking-lutely!
 

Red1966

Well-Known Member
Lieberman said he wouldnt vote for Obamacare wit a universal health care option The bill passed the senate 61-39 So in effect without Lieberman the bill would of been filibustered
You could say the same thing about any individual voter. Al Frankin, now known to have been illegally selected by a crooked judge, could just have easily been blamed. Or Sanches, also illegally placed in office. Just a few examples of why voter ID is necessary and why Democrats oppose it.
 

Red1966

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It's kinda fucked up that there is a "retail" price for medical treatment in the first place. If you come here and break your leg, you're treated in a hospital regardless of insurance, nationality, etc.
Its the same here. By law, even those with no ability to pay at all, or those who just refuse, must be treated in emergency rooms. So you have people with non-emergency complaints clogging emergency rooms. In the US, not only is it legal, but even mandatory, for health care providers to transfer the cost generated by non-paying customers to paying customers without even disclosing it. In any other industry, this is illegal.
 

UncleBuck

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Its the same here. By law, even those with no ability to pay at all, or those who just refuse, must be treated in emergency rooms.
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and then you get a massive bill for it.

In the US, not only is it legal, but even mandatory, for health care providers to transfer the cost generated by non-paying customers to paying customers without even disclosing it. In any other industry, this is illegal.
the individual mandate, a mechanism employed by every nation that takes care of all of its citizens while paying less than we do to cover only some, is a good start to ending this.
 

UncleBuck

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You could say the same thing about any individual voter. Al Frankin, now known to have been illegally selected by a crooked judge, could just have easily been blamed. Or Sanches, also illegally placed in office. Just a few examples of why voter ID is necessary and why Democrats oppose it.
citation needed for widespread in person voter fraud.

(pro tip: don't waste your time, it doesn't exist, you just hate that minorities get to vote, especially black people and especially after church).
 

Red1966

Well-Known Member
Quit being an ass, Buck. Massive bills don't mean shit if you don't pay them. No nation that I've heard of with universal healthcare employs an individual mandate. Its in the taxes. I never said "massive in person". Pretending I did is you lying, again. Pretending it doesn't happen, or that if its not "in person" it doesn't count is you lying, again. Pretending blacks can't get or don't have ID is you lying, again. You just insist on being a jackass. No wonder your wife makes you sleep outside with the dog. You shitting your pants all the time probably has a lot to do with it, too.
 

UncleBuck

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I never said "massive in person".
because it doesn't exist, and is the only type of fraud voter ID would stop.

Pretending it doesn't happen, or that if its not "in person" it doesn't count is you lying, again.
voter ID won't stop any other kind of voter fraud.

since you now claim in person voter fraud does happen, citation is needed once again. let's see some widespread in person voter fraud, dipshit.

Pretending blacks can't get or don't have ID is you lying, again.
blacks, minorities, and students, all who lean heavily democratic, are far more likely to not have an ID. this is a basic fact.

so before we disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters, let's go ahead and see you present some evidence of the problem you claim you are trying to fix: widespread in person voter fraud.

citation needed, red. go ahead.
 

Red1966

Well-Known Member
Let's see you prove the statements you just made, instead of the statements you keep trying to pretend I made.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Let's see you prove the statements you just made, instead of the statements you keep trying to pretend I made.
so you're too much of a pussy to even stand by your statements.

oh well. that doesn't change the fact that minorities and students are less likely to have proper ID. a federal court found that to be true.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0830/Federal-court-rules-against-Texas-voter-photo-ID-law

do blacks and minorities lean more democratic? do you really need citation for that? are you that dumb?

the only other claim i made is that voter ID only stops in person voter fraud, which is obviously true.

now it's time for you to cite this widespread in person voter fraud that you guys claim to be trying to stop (hint: it doesn't exist, you guys simply can't win without disenfranchising minorities).
 

Red1966

Well-Known Member
so you're too much of a pussy to even stand by your statements. oh well. that doesn't change the fact that minorities and students are less likely to have proper ID. a federal court found that to be true. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0830/Federal-court-rules-against-Texas-voter-photo-ID-law do blacks and minorities lean more democratic? do you really need citation for that? are you that dumb? the only other claim i made is that voter ID only stops in person voter fraud, which is obviously true. now it's time for you to cite this widespread in person voter fraud that you guys claim to be trying to stop (hint: it doesn't exist, you guys simply can't win without disenfranchising minorities).
You asked me to prove statements I didn't make. A judges opinion isn't proof. Yeah, I need proof, just as you claim I must provide. No, not "obviously true". What kind of "proof" is that? Just because you, a known liar, say so? Once again, I never said "widespread" nor "in person", you liar. You have yet to provide any proof at all, liar. You're not even worth talking to. So, back to ignore you go.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
You asked me to prove statements I didn't make. A judges opinion isn't proof. Yeah, I need proof, just as you claim I must provide. No, not "obviously true". What kind of "proof" is that? Just because you, a known liar, say so? Once again, I never said "widespread" nor "in person", you liar. You have yet to provide any proof at all, liar. You're not even worth talking to. So, back to ignore you go.
yeah, i'm sure federal judges just rule on pure opinion, no facts or evidence involved :dunce:

and what other type of voter fraud would voter ID prevent besides in person voter fraud? might want to answer that one, moron.

now let's see some evidence of this widespread in person voter fraud that voter ID is meant to stop.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
citation needed for widespread in person voter fraud.

(pro tip: don't waste your time, it doesn't exist, you just hate that minorities get to vote, especially black people and especially after church).
And yet you need a picture ID for everything else. Tackle that one?
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
You asked me to prove statements I didn't make. A judges opinion isn't proof. Yeah, I need proof, just as you claim I must provide. No, not "obviously true". What kind of "proof" is that? Just because you, a known liar, say so? Once again, I never said "widespread" nor "in person", you liar. You have yet to provide any proof at all, liar. You're not even worth talking to. So, back to ignore you go.
For years, South Carolina Republicans have complained about the names of dead voters being used to cast ballots in a broad voter fraud scheme. Now that a recent report by the State Law Enforcement Division has blown up those claims, unable to find a single example of a "zombie voter" committing fraud, one Democrat is demanding that Gov. Nikki Haley (R) apologize for her party's "bogus" crusade.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
And yet you need a picture ID for everything else. Tackle that one?
I wonder if the minorities need ID to collect their welfare checks, that they're forced to get because of "centuries of unequal opportunity" (that phrased ok for you Buck?).

I bet they'd sure as fuck have ID then.
 
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