Irish Boys Return Of The Inferno With The Spectra 180's

irishboy · Dec 22, 2011

Heretic said:
The last lights you used in this thread had white leds, correct? It's interesting he went back. Do you know if there were more tests done?

I finally got in contact with him about getting new power supply's for my 290's. I tried starting high, at 40", and letting the plants grow into the lights. It took longer, but still burned them. That, combined with powdery mildew I didn't catch soon enough, made me scrap the latest grow. He said the new units would go from 315w down to 230w. With the 315w, the PAR value was just too high for the chlorophyll to handle apparently.

Anyway, thanks for posting all your grows. It keeps me motivated to do better in my own.

i think he is going 100% to the 2010 model specs witch did not have white in them? i am not really sure? it would be interesting to block all the white leds and see if that helps? i think that was one of the bigger changes to the color of the lights from the proven 2010 lights we all got great results with and no issues. i would try to block them with something and see if that helps at all?

as far as i know last i talked to him he has been doing testing but not sure of what? i talked to another trusted grower that also has the 2010 lights and these new ones and told me the colors are the same but i have yet to pick up the new lights from my safe house so i cant say?

40" is high and should have been ok you would think? IDK bro my gut says try blocking the white leds and see what that dose? its the only thing i can think off that was a main color change? but at the end i never really knew what colors were used he never told me but i know my 2010's had no white

Shwagbag said:
Last time i talked with him he had tests and said he would send the results but I need to get back on him for the results. Good luck with the new lights Irish.

ive yet to see them either, one grower told me he seen them but i havent because i guess he forgot to send them to me? IDK i gave up and did not want to bug because i never had issues.lol

Heretic · Dec 22, 2011

irishboy said:
i think he is going 100% to the 2010 model specs witch did not have white in them? i am not really sure? it would be interesting to block all the white leds and see if that helps? i think that was one of the bigger changes to the color of the lights from the proven 2010 lights we all got great results with and no issues. i would try to block them with something and see if that helps at all?

as far as i know last i talked to him he has been doing testing but not sure of what? i talked to another trusted grower that also has the 2010 lights and these new ones and told me the colors are the same but i have yet to pick up the new lights from my safe house so i cant say?

40" is high and should have been ok you would think? IDK bro my gut says try blocking the white leds and see what that dose? its the only thing i can think off that was a main color change? but at the end i never really knew what colors were used he never told me but i know my 2010's had no white

My lights don't have white in them either. I got them before he added it. Also, I have Blackstar 240 HO that I use for veg that have a lot of white leds that I keep much closer and they work great, so I'm not sure that would be it anyway. Mike seemed to think the lights are just too much as they are. I guess we'll see what happens when the intensity is dialed down. With the wattages of the newer lights, it seems that was the primary concern lately.

irishboy · Dec 22, 2011

Heretic said:
My lights don't have white in them either. I got them before he added it. Also, I have Blackstar 240 HO that I use for veg that have a lot of white leds that I keep much closer and they work great, so I'm not sure that would be it anyway. Mike seemed to think the lights are just too much as they are. I guess we'll see what happens when the intensity is dialed down. With the wattages of the newer lights, it seems that was the primary concern lately.

i thought all 2011's had white? IDK i dont remeber that much back that far?lol. i am just trying to see what the difference is between the 2010's and the 2011's.

the power too high makes sense because from what ive been told from DIY led growers the higher the leds are driven the more it changes the NM so even if you have a 660nm the power you apply to it can change that nm from what ive been told and maybe thats what happen? it threw the specs out of range? i really have no clue and can only guess? ive yet to see the issues even when using two x's 500w's at 10" so that really throws me off and i dont understand? it also seems most have issues in flowering

Jman305 · Dec 22, 2011

first off, schwag that is a nice ass. and what are you guys talking about updated models? how old are the models on display on his site compared to what you guys are running and what are the differences? It seemed like when you ran the 600 watt grow with those huge colas that you weren't overpowering the chlorophyll??

irishboy · Dec 22, 2011

Jman305 said:
first off, schwag that is a nice ass. and what are you guys talking about updated models? how old are the models on display on his site compared to what you guys are running and what are the differences? It seemed like when you ran the 600 watt grow with those huge colas that you weren't overpowering the chlorophyll??

i havent been on his site for a while but last i seen they were way out dated.

the thing about the 600w grow can be different IMO its all about the power per leds. example 100 leds powered at 120w is allot different then 100 leds driven at 180w, see what i am saying? i really have no clue just going off of things in my head and could not even be close? but from what DIY led growers told me is that the more the leds a driven the more it can throw off ur NM's.. i have no clue if that is correct but what they have told me and they seem to know their stuff.. the correct power supplies should fix the issues i would think and i would be interested to see if the color of the leds change?

if this is the case then these new lights should have no issues because their driven close to the 2010's from what ive been told only 3-4% more? it would also seem if the new power supplies are powered lower enough then the issue should be gone also?

i havent had any issues so its hard to say but i heard from a few other growers that had issues from their last grow test will test out the new ones so that will be interesting?

Heretic · Dec 22, 2011

For clarification sake, my lights that burned my plants are early 2011 290's. No whites. 315w actual draw.

Speaking of his website, I really hope it's up soon and can put some of this shit to rest instead of what each person talked with him about or whatever. lol

irishboy · Dec 22, 2011

Heretic said:
For clarification sake, my lights that burned my plants are early 2011 290's. No whites. 315w actual draw.

Speaking of his website, I really hope it's up soon and can put some of this shit to rest instead of what each person talked with him about or whatever. lol

thanks for the info.lol. the only thing i can think off for me not having issues is the nutes i am running? even with 2x500's i had no issues and i think the Dyna Gro maybe has somthing to do with it? its so complete with every micro nute and sure the sillica helps also because its real big with the way plants use light.

hope he gets that site up soon also its been forver.lol

this is what its all about for me on nutes all the way threw the whole grow

Shwagbag · Dec 23, 2011

Is the Hygrozyme the bloom additive?

irishboy · Dec 23, 2011

Shwagbag said:
Is the Hygrozyme the bloom additive?

na thats used all the way threw and for the roots. ive heard nothing but great stuff about it from everyone so thought i would try it.

Shwagbag · Dec 23, 2011

irishboy said:
na thats used all the way threw and for the roots. ive heard nothing but great stuff about it from everyone so thought i would try it.

Cool, do you just use teas for bloom nute or do you also use DG?

irishboy · Dec 24, 2011

Shwagbag said:
Cool, do you just use teas for bloom nute or do you also use DG?

i have but its just some bought tea called budswell because i had a crap load left and still do and want to use it up, but i like the stuff allot at the end

Jman305 · Dec 24, 2011

hey man have you posted a new journal yet? I was gonna ask a few questions but didn't wanna keep bringing you back to an old one. I guess I'll look around some more on the site and see if I can find any of the answers I'm looking for. Did you read any of the links I posted yet?

irishboy · Dec 25, 2011

Jman305 said:
hey man have you posted a new journal yet? I was gonna ask a few questions but didn't wanna keep bringing you back to an old one. I guess I'll look around some more on the site and see if I can find any of the answers I'm looking for. Did you read any of the links I posted yet?

na bro still waiting for my clones. i will post a link when i get a new one started.

i have seen those grows on the links in the past. good stuff. i do my LST'ing different and just bend the main stem over one time and let things grow up from their, i never had height issues so that all i needed to do.

irishboy · Dec 25, 2011

Merry Christmas everyone!

irishboy · Dec 25, 2011

tonegarden said:
Merry Christmas!

i have just finished reading through the thread and i wish to thank every contributor and mainly irishboy for sharing their knowledge and observations with the world.
had i read this earlier, i might have avoided burning my plants twice with my GLH Spectra 290 (2011 version).
my first grow was done with a pannel using 6x55W Lumilux fluorescent tubes and the yield was very poor. of course, i was happy to get anything out of my first attempt, but for the second one, i decided i needed a better light and after some research i came to GLH and ordered one unit.
i was very unsafe about the distance i should keep the pannel from my seedlings at first. i started at 40'' from my seedlings and gradually lowered to 21'' on day 8. from day 9 symptoms of burning were visible on the tiny leaf-tips. The light was too strong an I moved it too fast! I backed off and switched to my CFL panel and also added two more plants in case I should loose any from the first 4.
Under the CFLs, my seedlings recovered slowly some better than others. I have 2 strains: skunk#11 and orange bud. The orange buds showed better adaptation skills while the skunks were severely stunted.
When they were all in good shape, I put back on my led panel at 28’’ from my tallest plant. It was at this moment when I started a half strength nut program (NPK 4-1-5 liquid organic fertilizer from a dutch company) since my potting soil had incorporated nutes for 3 months (as they said). 2 days later I started lowering the panel until at day 7 it was at 25’’ over my plants and the yellowing re-appeared. At once, I lifted the light to 32’’ but during the next days the plants kept yellowing and bleaching. I increased the dose but finally I had to switch back to my CFLs to save my plants. And here I am today, having lost 2 of my 6 plants, 2 of them (the skunk#11 ones) dwarves and 2 flourishing ornge buds under my newly-set screen. I now supplement Bio_Heaven and foliar feed with Alc-A-Mic hoping to balance the nute deficiency. I plan to keep them a couple more weeks under 18/6 and then switch to 12/12. I will post a series of photos as a visual documentation of the story.
Mike from GLH wrote me that he will send me new power supplies and I am still expecting them. I will set my panel as high as possible (37’&#8217 and hope that this time it will work.
Nice meeting ya, many thanks and best wishes!!

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ya i do wonder if these lights make the plants use a micro nute more and most foods dont supply it and thats what causes a issue? maybe thats why i did not have issues because the Dyna Gro i use has everything in it most company's dont come close to that many micro nutes?

or it could be like i said and like i did. keep ur light as high as you can and dont move it and just let ur plants grow into it, the plants will choose what it wants and do whats best for it we do not need to tell the plants what they want as far as how much light. their a quite a few people using these lights with no issues and allot more with issues, the point is their has to be something in common.

Heretic · Dec 26, 2011

I don't know if I should be happy or sad that I'm not alone in burning with the 290's. lol Those pics look just like mine did, only smaller since I vegged under a different light. I guess it should also be said that using the same FF nutes, and just about the same conditions overall, I've had success with the same strain under hps.

LeoDiamonds · Dec 26, 2011

I want to say congrats on the 600 watt LED grow, awesome. I did read that the cost of a GLH 600 watt led was around $2000. Since i am not able to spend that type of money now, what is the next best LED light source to use that will come close to your outcome.

LeoDiamonds · Dec 26, 2011

i will be using advanced nutrients Jungle Juice grow, micro, and bloom. i will be using a 4 unit dwc setup.

irishboy · Dec 26, 2011

Heretic said:
I don't know if I should be happy or sad that I'm not alone in burning with the 290's. lol Those pics look just like mine did, only smaller since I vegged under a different light. I guess it should also be said that using the same FF nutes, and just about the same conditions overall, I've had success with the same strain under hps.

ya that sucks man. i would try dyna Gro and see if that helps? no issues with me at all under the new lights.

LeoDiamonds said:
I want to say congrats on the 600 watt LED grow, awesome. I did read that the cost of a GLH 600 watt led was around $2000. Since i am not able to spend that type of money now, what is the next best LED light source to use that will come close to your outcome.

ya that light wasn't chep even though the savings on meds from my yield was more then enough to pay for the lights after the 1st run, thats how i judge things.

i like running smaller lights and more spread out over the bigger watt one's. i think GLH onl has the 140w ones last i heard?

yeild has allot to do with many different things besides lights. but DWC should do a great job and help you get allot more yeild.

LeoDiamonds · Dec 28, 2011

thanks for the info, i decided on my lights, what do you think. The LED for veg would be the all blue extreme LED from advanced LED lights, i think i only need one of those. Here's the link for my veg light if you guys want to check it out, http://www.advancedledlights.com/pro...Made-LEDs.html . if i need more please let me know. for the flowering stage i will be using a 240w Lighthouse Hydro Blackstar grow light 6 band 3w chips, here's the link to check it out, http://www.amazon.com/Lighthouse-Hyd...5124398&sr=8-1

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