Is cannabis use a sin?

and p.s. i dont ignore religious ideologies, just to "get away with" or to "avoid feeling guilty"...

(*pay attention here* below i am going to make a statement to "all" not directed at anyone).... i am going type an example and this isnt directed at anyone or against anyone it is simply being used as a reference point to make clear about statements made in assumption...

like heres an "assumption"... "most religious people think "atheists" always attack religious people"...

well what would be "correct" about the above statement is that there have been and will be religious people who think they are always "attacked" by atheists...

however, and nevertheless, what would be "incorrect" about that statement is when the title "religious people" was used, and when the word "always" was used... because first and foremost... human behavior is human behavior, regardless of the attachment of any identity...

in other words the only way the statement would be in fact correct or true would be to state that... "there are people who think that they are attacked"...

(which by the way i dont really dont like to use and or attach or affix my "identity" to any or such titles... simply for and in direct cause of how people in general, automatically make vastly incorrect assumptions of "people of whichever ideology" and always use that very very wrong assumption...

i ignore religious ideologies because i go by... well i guess you could call it "uncommon sense"... because apparently "common sense" isnt so common now is it...

i dont feel any guilt about the use of cannabis, simply because there REALLY IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT... geesh...


if i have perceived the purpose and subject of what was taking place and or the comments throughout the thread... where people were looking through the bible for the justification of the use of cannabis and or the reasons cannabis is or isnt wrong or is or isnt a "sin"...

then it would be logical to see that i had made a correct presumption about what many of the comments were about and the underlying psychological cause for the comments and questions to arise in the first place...

and all i saw in this thread was a bunch of people trying to in their "mindset", because they somehow have the innate "need" to find justification or explanation for something i.e. (use of cannabis) that never needed nor should it ever need to be justified in the first place... LOL

lol funny......

Cannofbliss, I'm an atheist. I know it is a fairy tale already.

cannofbliss said:

no... there is no such thing as sin... other than the creation of what any legalism/religion has made up... the use of the word "sin" was promulgated by the roman catholic church, which was defined as any and all violations of their bullshit legal system...

you all dont need to try to find any "loopholes" in the bible to try and "justify" smoking or consuming cannabis...

simply put there is nothing immoral or wrong nor harmful to another being by your consumption of cannabis...

just ask yourselves these two questions...

1.) did you physically touch and harm another human??? if answer is no then good you have done no harm... and is therefore perfectly moral...

2.) did you physically take the cannabis from someone else without their consent??? if answer is no then good again you have done nothing wrong...

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Ok, Sin simply defined, is a transgression of divine law. So when you say, well fuck divine law, you are basically pointing out the very fallacy I already know to exist, that I have asked to ignore and asked people to play along for the sake of argument.

Biblical loop holes are exactly what I am looking for.

I didn't ask if it was harmful, immoral or anything else, I asked if it was a sin.

The rest of your ideas in this quote are already answered.

abandonconflict said:

Ok, Sin simply defined, is a transgression of divine law. So when you say, well fuck divine law, you are basically pointing out the very fallacy I already know to exist, that I have asked to ignore and asked people to play along for the sake of argument.

Biblical loop holes are exactly what I am looking for.

I didn't ask if it was harmful, immoral or anything else, I asked if it was a sin.

The rest of your ideas in this quote are already answered.

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Afaik using cannabis doesn't go against either the letter or the spirit of the law. cn

...sin is a mark against the body. What 'law' states is that if you do 'x', the resultant pain is expected. These laws, like mundane ones, help people. Kinda simple, and doesn't need a bazillion words. Holy books and 'sin' - these books are there for us to understand the body (and help avoid needless pain). And please, don't start up with the fckn inquisition bs - we get that. They weren't into avoiding pain back then

All the pot in the world isn't going to get the message across anyway. The point of it all is reciprocal 'need' between creator and created.

cannabineer said:

Afaik using cannabis doesn't go against either the letter or the spirit of the law. cn

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J'aime ça

red0021 said:

There's a fairly reliable way of figuring out if something is a sin or not. Do you enjoy it? Is it fun? If you answered yes to either of those questions, then 99% of the time, it's gonna be a sin.

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I hate it when people say stuff like this. God didn't make rules to keep people from having "fun". He didn't give directions just so everyone would be bored their whole lives. He was directing people on how to live to make their lives the easiest it could be for them. Take having sex before marriage, for example. It's not so his people wouldn't have "fun". It was so you didn't have babies before marriage, because it's a lot harder to have a baby with only one parent in the home. He said don't eat a pig, not because bacon is just so damn good, but because people back then couldn't store it properly and God knew they could get really sick or die from it. He didn't say no marijuana, because it's not going to kill anyone, and it's not going to hurt anything.

Wednesday said:

He said don't eat a pig, not because bacon is just so damn good, but because people back then couldn't store it properly and God knew they could get really sick or die from it.

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And thus demonstrates my problem with the Bible, and ultimately, Christianity. The way I interpret God's message on this subject would be this:

Proverb: "Be not among the wine-bibbers nor the riotous eaters of animal flesh."
Genesis: "Behold I have given you herb yielding seed. To you it shall be for food."
Genesis: "Flesh shall ye not eat."
Psalm 104: "God made the whale to frolic in the sea."
Isaiah 66: 3: "He that slays an ox is as he that slays a man."
The 5th Angel of Revelation: "Harm no green living plant."
Proverbs 12:10: "The righteous one is concerned for his beast."
Ezekiel 3 and 4: "My body has never been contaminated by animal flesh."
Hosea 2:28: "I will make for you that day a covenant with the animals."
Genesis 6: Noah was commanded by God to provide vegetarian food in the ark for people and animals.
Job 12: 8 Speak to the earth and she will teach thee
Job 5: You will be in league with the stones of the field and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with you.

There are countless other proverbs, citations, paragraphs and psalms in the Bible which are vehemently against bloodshed and meat consumption, yet very few Christians practice vegetarianism. Too much of the Christian religion involves carefully picking select phrases from the Bible and construing them to have alternative meanings in order to justify unjust practices. I'll never be a religious man, but I will always appreciate and respect the life of every other living thing on this planet. Moreso than many who claim to follow the righteous path of Christianity, it would seem. Guess I'm going to hell?

To address the question "Is cannabis use a sin?". Absolutely not. Everything that grows on this green earth is a bounty provided by nature for us to harvest and consume as we see fit. The very idea that it's illegal for a man to pick mushrooms or grow cannabis for personal use is laughable and absurd. I'm often baffled at this. I was born free, and no man has power over me, nor the right to deny me the choice to gather the fruits of nature. If, by doing this, my actions should somehow cause harm to another person - Then by all means, punish me under law. But until that happens, let us enjoy the world around us and everything the earth provides.

rmx said:

And thus demonstrates my problem with the Bible, and ultimately, Christianity. The way I interpret God's message on this subject would be this:

Proverb: "Be not among the wine-bibbers nor the riotous eaters of animal flesh."
Genesis: "Behold I have given you herb yielding seed. To you it shall be for food."
Genesis: "Flesh shall ye not eat."
Psalm 104: "God made the whale to frolic in the sea."
Isaiah 66: 3: "He that slays an ox is as he that slays a man."
The 5th Angel of Revelation: "Harm no green living plant."
Proverbs 12:10: "The righteous one is concerned for his beast."
Ezekiel 3 and 4: "My body has never been contaminated by animal flesh."
Hosea 2:28: "I will make for you that day a covenant with the animals."
Genesis 6: Noah was commanded by God to provide vegetarian food in the ark for people and animals.
Job 12: 8 Speak to the earth and she will teach thee
Job 5: You will be in league with the stones of the field and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with you.

There are countless other proverbs, citations, paragraphs and psalms in the Bible which are vehemently against bloodshed and meat consumption, yet very few Christians practice vegetarianism. Too much of the Christian religion involves carefully picking select phrases from the Bible and construing them to have alternative meanings in order to justify unjust practices. I'll never be a religious man, but I will always appreciate and respect the life of every other living thing on this planet. Moreso than many who claim to follow the righteous path of Christianity, it would seem. Guess I'm going to hell?

To address the question "Is cannabis use a sin?". Absolutely not. Everything that grows on this green earth is a bounty provided by nature for us to harvest and consume as we see fit. The very idea that it's illegal for a man to pick mushrooms or grow cannabis for personal use is laughable and absurd. I'm often baffled at this. I was born free, and no man has power over me, nor the right to deny me the choice to gather the fruits of nature. If, by doing this, my actions should somehow cause harm to another person - Then by all means, punish me under law. But until that happens, let us enjoy the world around us and everything the earth provides.

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*sigh* I can't look these all up without proper references, but I have to assume some of these have been taken out of context. Becaaause...let's see...the Psalm verse is just singing God's praises about his creations. Isaiah 66:3 is talking about a new Kingdom, where there will be peace. Proverbs 12:10 is talking about caring for your animals, not being cruel and mistreating them. Ezekial says he's never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals, and no unclean meat has entered his mouth. Nothing about meat considered clean. Um the second chapter of Hosea only goes to verse 23 in my Bible...Oh you mean verse 18 right? "In that day I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and the creatures that move along the ground." He's talking about cutting people off from his salvation and punishing them. The Ark did not have a refrigerator and you shouldn't be eating fresh meat since...well...those animals are there for repopulation purposes. As far as Job goes, I talk to the earth all the time when i'm high and she does indeed teach me. And the last one God is telling him he will find peace with everything around him. These verses are not vehemently against meat eating. What YOU'VE done here is exactly what you've complained about, with carefully selected phrases from the Bible and construing them to have alternate meaning. When I saw Job on this list I was very surprised, because the entire book of Job is about...Job. And Satan beating the piss out of him and his sustained faith in God through it all. It has nothing to do with meat eating...

Wednesday said:

*sigh* I can't look these all up without proper references, but I have to assume some of these have been taken out of context. Becaaause...let's see...the Psalm verse is just singing God's praises about his creations. Isaiah 66:3 is talking about a new Kingdom, where there will be peace. Proverbs 12:10 is talking about caring for your animals, not being cruel and mistreating them. Ezekial says he's never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals, and no unclean meat has entered his mouth. Nothing about meat considered clean. Um the second chapter of Hosea only goes to verse 23 in my Bible...Oh you mean verse 18 right? "In that day I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and the birds of the air and the creatures that move along the ground." He's talking about cutting people off from his salvation and punishing them. The Ark did not have a refrigerator and you shouldn't be eating fresh meat since...well...those animals are there for repopulation purposes. As far as Job goes, I talk to the earth all the time when i'm high and she does indeed teach me. And the last one God is telling him he will find peace with everything around him. These verses are not vehemently against meat eating. What YOU'VE done here is exactly what you've complained about, with carefully selected phrases from the Bible and construing them to have alternate meaning. When I saw Job on this list I was very surprised, because the entire book of Job is about...Job. And Satan beating the piss out of him and his sustained faith in God through it all. It has nothing to do with meat eating...

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Sorry Wednesday, whilst my reply was inspired by your post, I meant to add that this wasn't a jab at you - just my take on the meat / religion thing in general, since it had been mentioned, fleetingly. Yes, you're right - I did basically construe those verses to fit in with my ideals. I wonder who interpreted them correctly though? I guess religion isn't all rose bushes and cotton clouds, though I do wonder what Christians who eat meat think when they watch footage of industrial slaughterhouses in action. Isn't slaughter and the destruction of sentient life an affront to everything taught in the holy book? I wonder too - If there's a God and an afterlife, and I stand before Him awaiting his verdict on my entry into his garden - Would he consider the life of compassion I tried to live, and respect for all life around me - despite my lack of belief? Or would he cast me down to the pits of Hell for not believing in him?

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Sorry Wednesday, whilst my reply was inspired by your post, I meant to add that this wasn't a jab at you - just my take on the meat / religion thing in general, since it had been mentioned, fleetingly. Yes, you're right - I did basically construe those verses to fit in with my ideals. I wonder who interpreted them correctly though? I guess religion isn't all rose bushes and cotton clouds, though I do wonder what Christians who eat meat think when they watch footage of industrial slaughterhouses in action. Isn't slaughter and the destruction of sentient life an affront to everything taught in the holy book? I wonder too - If there's a God and an afterlife, and I stand before Him awaiting his verdict on my entry into his garden - Would he consider the life of compassion I tried to live, and respect for all life around me - despite my lack of belief? Or would he cast me down to the pits of Hell for not believing in him?

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I wasn't offended, no need to apologize The Bible has a lot of books that are just stories...just accounts of what people did and how God responded, etc. And people tend to take very select passages from these stories and apply them like stickers onto what they think should be sins. I can't find anything in the Bible other than certain listed meats considered "unclean" at the time, to justify not eating meat. But, if I did, I would do my best to not eat meat, plain and simple. I don't watch footage of slaughterhouses, but then again, I wouldn't watch a farmer doing it one-on-one either. Everything dies. God tells us not to be cruel to animals, though, and so I do refrain from buying things from companies I know are cruel to their animals. I live in a smaller area, too, so I know where my meat and dairy products come from, and I've toured the place and they're good to their animals. They even get back rubs lol. Wish I could get a daily back rub, i'd let them milk me too. If you don't believe in God, why would you want to spend eternity with him anyway?

Thanks for understanding, Wednesday. Good reply

Now, we may not agree on the meat issue, but:

• "He didn't say no marijuana, because it's not going to kill anyone, and it's not going to hurt anything."​
  
  

I stand by you on that one. I can't see any God condemning the use of weed, especially as "He" placed it here! We make homes with wood, we eat millions of tons of fruit and vegetables, we utilise hemp and cotton and countless other plants to build the world around us, and almost every medicine in existence is plant based. Then there's marijuana. This wonderful plant, less harmful than a beer or a cigarette, and proven to heal far more than it harms... Yet the government call us criminals for consuming and cultivating it. Aren't most US politicians religious? They seem very out of touch with their beliefs! It really is all about the money with these clowns.

rmx said:

Thanks for understanding, Wednesday. Good reply

Now, we may not agree on the meat issue, but:

• "He didn't say no marijuana, because it's not going to kill anyone, and it's not going to hurt anything."​
  
  

I stand by you on that one. I can't see any God condemning the use of weed, especially as "He" placed it here! We make homes with wood, we eat millions of tons of fruit and vegetables, we utilise hemp and cotton and countless other plants to build the world around us, and almost every medicine in existence is plant based. Then there's marijuana. This wonderful plant, less harmful than a beer or a cigarette, and proven to heal far more than it harms... Yet the government call us criminals for consuming and cultivating it. Aren't most US politicians religious? They seem very out of touch with their beliefs! It really is all about the money with these clowns.

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Ya, I definitely agree there. I think people worry about it because they're told so often that marijuana is a drug and drugs are bad and all that stuff. But I think if it's a natural growing plant then God knew what he was doing when he made it.

Sin?!?

Closer to prayer. Or "Receiving blessing".

it is a sin in the feds eyes.

Ringsixty said:

it is a sin in the feds eyes.

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But not murder in the name of a badge, so why should we care what they think?

My friend always argues that there's a passage in the bible where God says that you must follow the laws of the land you're on (as in follow your government/leaders...which......seems like god wouldn't want that because he asks us not to follow false idols). I don't know the name of the passage or anything like that, but I think it's all bullshit.

Davidsnow said:

My friend always argues that there's a passage in the bible where God says that you must follow the laws of the land you're on (as in follow your government/leaders...which......seems like god wouldn't want that because he asks us not to follow false idols). I don't know the name of the passage or anything like that, but I think it's all bullshit.

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Jesus did say that.
But he didn't mean it like that, or he wouldn't have done what he did. Like, seriously Jesus is THE rebel.

Finshaggy said:

Jesus did say that.
But he didn't mean it like that, or he wouldn't have done what he did. Like, seriously Jesus is THE rebel.

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Did Jesus say it or did Paul write it? I'm not sure myself.

What I do know is that you're right about homie being a rebel.

"Give to Cesar what is Cesars, and give to God what is God's."