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LED lights
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OLD MOTHER SATIVA
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go for it...ignore the ignorant
if they have tried it themselves them ..fine,,
if not
the comments are not supported by data like HC on trial
if they have tried it themselves them ..fine,,
if not
the comments are not supported by data like HC on trial
DarthBlazeAnthony
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This is a cheap light I picked up today. Obviously I want the spectrum king light but that one is $1,500 so we get this and add cfl supplemental lighting. I have 2 bulbs at 2700k 125w to add to the 5x5 grow tent. If necessary I'll add another led panel. Please review the specs and let me know how it is related to PAR output. It can be a bit confusing understanding differences between spectrum, lumens, PAR, brightness, and light penetration. In the end, watts claimed don't mean shit. We need to understand how much valuable light these babies are putting out. Can anyone please shed perspective. #ExplainToMeLikeImFive
Technical Specification:
LED Type: 6W High Power LEDs from Bridgelux and Epistar LED.
LED Power : 200X6W=1200W (equivalent to traditional 1500W LED Grow light)
Power Consumption: 429W+-5% (consumes less energy ,but much more brighter )
Working Voltage: 85v - 265v
Lumens: 48200-56000lm
Operating Temperature: 90°F -110°F (32.2°C - 43.3°C)
10-band Spectrum: 440nm 450nm 455nm 460nm 610nm 630nm 650nm 660nm, 3500K, 730nm
Thermal Management :4 x 120mm dual bearing cooling fans
Product Dimension: 400x400x60mm (13.1x13.1x2.37inches )
Coverage Area about 6 x 6 Square Feet ( The lighting area and the height are changeable according to different plants and environments )
Features
eep penetration : Good lighting penetration , can penetrate to the deep of the plants
Modular Internal Build: Fully upgradable, easy warranties
Thermal Management: Custom copper core heatsinks quickly dissipates heat for cool operating temperatures
Powerful: 2nd Generation ultra penetration 6W LEDs light deep into the canopy
Versatile: Power cord available in 110v, 220v and international plugs
Lighter weight: Much lighter than the same products in the marketplace, safer for hanging .
Plants: Suitable for both vegetative phrase and flowering phrase
KING LED Grow Lights Advantages:
Environmentally friendly - No Mercury, 100% recyclable
Easy Maintenance: No bulb replacements
Up to 65% energy savings compared to HID
Robust growth: grow 2x the yield of HID
Long LED Lifespan: 50,000+ hrs
No accessories necessary: no cooling equipment, ballast or reflectors needed
Can Be used with any growing method - hydroponic, aeroponics, soil
Integrated heavy duty ratcheting hanging system
Technical Specification:
LED Type: 6W High Power LEDs from Bridgelux and Epistar LED.
LED Power : 200X6W=1200W (equivalent to traditional 1500W LED Grow light)
Power Consumption: 429W+-5% (consumes less energy ,but much more brighter )
Working Voltage: 85v - 265v
Lumens: 48200-56000lm
Operating Temperature: 90°F -110°F (32.2°C - 43.3°C)
10-band Spectrum: 440nm 450nm 455nm 460nm 610nm 630nm 650nm 660nm, 3500K, 730nm
Thermal Management :4 x 120mm dual bearing cooling fans
Product Dimension: 400x400x60mm (13.1x13.1x2.37inches )
Coverage Area about 6 x 6 Square Feet ( The lighting area and the height are changeable according to different plants and environments )
Features
eep penetration : Good lighting penetration , can penetrate to the deep of the plants Modular Internal Build: Fully upgradable, easy warranties
Thermal Management: Custom copper core heatsinks quickly dissipates heat for cool operating temperatures
Powerful: 2nd Generation ultra penetration 6W LEDs light deep into the canopy
Versatile: Power cord available in 110v, 220v and international plugs
Lighter weight: Much lighter than the same products in the marketplace, safer for hanging .
Plants: Suitable for both vegetative phrase and flowering phrase
KING LED Grow Lights Advantages:
Environmentally friendly - No Mercury, 100% recyclable
Easy Maintenance: No bulb replacements
Up to 65% energy savings compared to HID
Robust growth: grow 2x the yield of HID
Long LED Lifespan: 50,000+ hrs
No accessories necessary: no cooling equipment, ballast or reflectors needed
Can Be used with any growing method - hydroponic, aeroponics, soil
Integrated heavy duty ratcheting hanging system
DarthBlazeAnthony
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i WANT THAT LIGHT!! So jelly!
DarthBlazeAnthony
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I added a few cfl bulbs to help out my feable LED. Once I have the 1200w I should be in better shape though. Wish me luck.
bigmanc
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Looks EXACTLY like the mars 2, king seems to be a knock off. Im curious about these 6w diodes...never heard of that.This is a cheap light I picked up today. Obviously I want the spectrum king light but that one is $1,500 so we get this and add cfl supplemental lighting. I have 2 bulbs at 2700k 125w to add to the 5x5 grow tent. If necessary I'll add another led panel. Please review the specs and let me know how it is related to PAR output. It can be a bit confusing understanding differences between spectrum, lumens, PAR, brightness, and light penetration. In the end, watts claimed don't mean shit. We need to understand how much valuable light these babies are putting out. Can anyone please shed perspective. #ExplainToMeLikeImFive
Technical Specification:
LED Type: 6W High Power LEDs from Bridgelux and Epistar LED.
LED Power : 200X6W=1200W (equivalent to traditional 1500W LED Grow light)
Power Consumption: 429W+-5% (consumes less energy ,but much more brighter )
Working Voltage: 85v - 265v
Lumens: 48200-56000lm
Operating Temperature: 90°F -110°F (32.2°C - 43.3°C)
10-band Spectrum: 440nm 450nm 455nm 460nm 610nm 630nm 650nm 660nm, 3500K, 730nm
Thermal Management :4 x 120mm dual bearing cooling fans
Product Dimension: 400x400x60mm (13.1x13.1x2.37inches )
Coverage Area about 6 x 6 Square Feet ( The lighting area and the height are changeable according to different plants and environments )
Features
Modular Internal Build: Fully upgradable, easy warranties
Thermal Management: Custom copper core heatsinks quickly dissipates heat for cool operating temperatures
Powerful: 2nd Generation ultra penetration 6W LEDs light deep into the canopy
Versatile: Power cord available in 110v, 220v and international plugs
Lighter weight: Much lighter than the same products in the marketplace, safer for hanging .
Plants: Suitable for both vegetative phrase and flowering phrase
KING LED Grow Lights Advantages:
Environmentally friendly - No Mercury, 100% recyclable
Easy Maintenance: No bulb replacements
Up to 65% energy savings compared to HID
Robust growth: grow 2x the yield of HID
Long LED Lifespan: 50,000+ hrs
No accessories necessary: no cooling equipment, ballast or reflectors needed
Can Be used with any growing method - hydroponic, aeroponics, soil
Integrated heavy duty ratcheting hanging system
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DarthBlazeAnthony
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@bigmanc I am wondering the same thing...I compared the specs and this light definitely has heat sinks, lower watts, higher lumens compared to the mars 2 1200W. It is likely due to the 6w diodes. I'll keep you posted. Please follow my grow here since nobody else is atm.
I always appreciate advice and I will update you guys on the new King 1200w LED panel which should be here in a couple days. In the meantime kick your feet up and watch my Cheesey Smurf's finish. The veg room is one clone of each. Cherry Pie, San Fernando Valley Kush, Girl Scout Cookies, and Deadhead OG from clone. They will be transferred into the new 5x5 tent soon.Cheers and happy growing. #weednerds #bubbleman #johnnyb #california
Link: https://www.rollitup.org/t/first-time-grower-tent-hydro-led-cfl-combo-thanks-for-any-advice.841866/
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testiclees
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ive grown nice flowers w mars however they are not in same league as optic, apache, etc
The lamps using the monochromatic diodes operate at low efficiency. The 1200w that pulls 600 on the killa wAtt is likely less than 30% efficient. So your getting a paltry couple hundred par watts. The tech is obsolete.
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DarthBlazeAnthony
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@redi jedi Please grow a cannabis plant with a LED TV. That would be epic lol. Just leave it on the cartoon network and turn the brightness up!
DarthBlazeAnthony
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Did you read all the specs on my King light. I get what you are saying but this is the new 3rd generation model where they seem to have surpassed the 1200w Mars 2. We have all seen the mars grow healthy plants so why do you believe this will not?
testiclees
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bro, those specs are filled with preposterous misinformation.
"Coverage Area about 6 x 6 Square Feet" absolutely insultingly false. A 13"x13" case for 36 sq ft cmon bro that is straight up cluelessness.
"Robust growth: grow 2x the yield of HID" this claim would be true if the hid was unplugged/ in a different room.
That light will maybe grow decent flowers in a 2.5x 2.5 space.
There is no way to determine the par wattage of the lamp unless you know the specific details of the diodes they are using.
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Alpha & Omega
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Par is just a part of it. Umole readings are what you want.
"The lamps using the monochromatic diodes operate at low efficiency. The 1200w that pulls 600 on the killa wAtt is likely less than 30% efficient. So your getting a paltry couple hundred par watts. The tech is obsolete."
but that does make sense, its all about the quality of the diodes used but also the way the leds are assembled.
hence the Kind LED in this thread clearly showing some modules not working.
The quality of the led diodes in those units aren't the only thing at fault with them tho, the thermal paste they use to transmit heat from the leds is terrible, its like white glue.
Then there is the 'human error' factor, no human can solder in those LEDs to be perfectly flat against the heatsink for 100% heat dispersal, if you take one of the cluster boards out and look at how level all the leds are you will see what I mean.
That king led tho on the other hand shows a robot installing LEDs into a circuit board. Maybe less failures because of the perfection of soldering? absolutely.
The same as MARL now uses robots to make SMD Osram Boards, its more efficient with less then 1% failure rate which is picked up by the QC end.
"vorsprung durch technik" with the "best of british engineering" , robots everywhere lol.
Ya don't get that in china with LEDS im afraid, they just cant afford the technology, or wont...more like...
They do make good tvs tho, lol, which brings me full circle to MARS II LEDs, guess who owns them? TopLed Growlight? can you pick out the clue in the lettering?
yup....LG. lol. its even stamped on the circuit boards in every MARS II growlight. Or used to be... lol
Puts Black Dog & Boss King a bit to shame now eh? Where is their stamp? lol I wonder if its also LG?
quick everyone check! lol
it good to put the 'cat amongst the pigeons' now and then eh? makes it more fun watching them all trying to explain themselves
"The lamps using the monochromatic diodes operate at low efficiency. The 1200w that pulls 600 on the killa wAtt is likely less than 30% efficient. So your getting a paltry couple hundred par watts. The tech is obsolete."
but that does make sense, its all about the quality of the diodes used but also the way the leds are assembled.
hence the Kind LED in this thread clearly showing some modules not working.
The quality of the led diodes in those units aren't the only thing at fault with them tho, the thermal paste they use to transmit heat from the leds is terrible, its like white glue.
Then there is the 'human error' factor, no human can solder in those LEDs to be perfectly flat against the heatsink for 100% heat dispersal, if you take one of the cluster boards out and look at how level all the leds are you will see what I mean.
That king led tho on the other hand shows a robot installing LEDs into a circuit board. Maybe less failures because of the perfection of soldering? absolutely.
The same as MARL now uses robots to make SMD Osram Boards, its more efficient with less then 1% failure rate which is picked up by the QC end.
"vorsprung durch technik" with the "best of british engineering" , robots everywhere lol.
Ya don't get that in china with LEDS im afraid, they just cant afford the technology, or wont...more like...
They do make good tvs tho, lol, which brings me full circle to MARS II LEDs, guess who owns them? TopLed Growlight? can you pick out the clue in the lettering?
yup....LG. lol. its even stamped on the circuit boards in every MARS II growlight. Or used to be... lol
Puts Black Dog & Boss King a bit to shame now eh? Where is their stamp? lol I wonder if its also LG?
quick everyone check! lol
it good to put the 'cat amongst the pigeons' now and then eh? makes it more fun watching them all trying to explain themselves
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Alpha & Omega
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p.s. yeah the boss king is 6w per diode, don't know what voltage they are putting into them tho but im sure its @ the MAX! lol
the warranty length is a indication of that sometimes,. as leds do not get any brighter with more power, they burn out quicker
so if those 6w leds are driven at the most efficient power. etc.. why just offer 1 year warranty? when they are meant to last over 50,000 hours?
hmmmmmm
Well then, obvious question would be, why not offer a 50,000 hour warranty if they were that good.? I know that is a silly thing to expect due to evolution of the market etc..
But to offer 3 years at least would be more acceptable wouldn't it?
Shows the supplier stands by the quality of his or her leds & the ability to be able to deal with any failures quickly when they arise.
Like that dude from king states on his vid, he would just swap them over, job done.
And that is how you do it in my opinion.
By Putting ya money where ya mouth is, proof in the pudding etc.. etc..
whoops there goes another cat..... lol.
the warranty length is a indication of that sometimes,. as leds do not get any brighter with more power, they burn out quicker
so if those 6w leds are driven at the most efficient power. etc.. why just offer 1 year warranty? when they are meant to last over 50,000 hours?
hmmmmmm
Well then, obvious question would be, why not offer a 50,000 hour warranty if they were that good.? I know that is a silly thing to expect due to evolution of the market etc..
But to offer 3 years at least would be more acceptable wouldn't it?
Shows the supplier stands by the quality of his or her leds & the ability to be able to deal with any failures quickly when they arise.
Like that dude from king states on his vid, he would just swap them over, job done.
And that is how you do it in my opinion.
By Putting ya money where ya mouth is, proof in the pudding etc.. etc..
whoops there goes another cat..... lol.
testiclees
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any mfg. who states that a 13"x 13" cased light will illuminate a 6x6' area is basically calling you a stooge.
I think the vero cobs are manufactured by toshiba. Veros are likely twice the value of any diode in the lamp pictured above.
I think the vero cobs are manufactured by toshiba. Veros are likely twice the value of any diode in the lamp pictured above.
Alpha & Omega
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yup, you'll find that most of the Electronics giants are behind most new LED inventions, COB,,,, I remember when they were called Dual Mixed Array LEDs. now everyone calls them Chip On Board?
Different language innit?
like TWAIN in computer talk (or BS more like). used for scanners, in driver form...yawwwn,. anyway.....you know what it means?
Technology Without A Interesting Name.
So looks like this 'lets confuse the shit out of everyone with techno talk' seems to be quite common these days, in politics we call it 'spin doctoring' lol.
Do they expect every grower to be able to understand this bollox?
I guess they do.
And that's what the problem is, ignorance. mis communication of facts due to a bullshit language being used.
another reason why LEDs get slagged. lol.
Well, stuff all this 'old age' leds bollox,. welcome to the new age of Nano Quantum Dot led Tech. lol.
Watch and see people, new things are already being born that makes todays led tech look stone age.
Different language innit?
like TWAIN in computer talk (or BS more like). used for scanners, in driver form...yawwwn,. anyway.....you know what it means?
Technology Without A Interesting Name.
So looks like this 'lets confuse the shit out of everyone with techno talk' seems to be quite common these days, in politics we call it 'spin doctoring' lol.
Do they expect every grower to be able to understand this bollox?
I guess they do.
And that's what the problem is, ignorance. mis communication of facts due to a bullshit language being used.
another reason why LEDs get slagged. lol.
Well, stuff all this 'old age' leds bollox,. welcome to the new age of Nano Quantum Dot led Tech. lol.
Watch and see people, new things are already being born that makes todays led tech look stone age.
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DarthBlazeAnthony
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Ok buddy...So I just got this beast literally an hour ago and already hooked it up. The fucking light just about damn blinded me. This light appears brighter then the Mars 2 1200w and on youtube people are growing pretty nice flowers with that light. Perhaps I am being a bit too optimistic because I want my purchase to actually help grow proper herb. Worst case scenario I will throw in a few CFL's to help out in the 5x5 tent. The Cherry Pie, Deadhead OG, San Fernando Valley Kush, and Girl Scout Cookies that will be going under the King 1200w light. Deal with it. Stay tuned and happy growing.
testiclees
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best of luck bro.