NO BULLSHIT dont do it. Miracle grow vs Fox Farm

the only problem i ever had with mg was a my fault, i flushed my plants when i should of been letting them dry. big time nube mistake. i have grown with both, and i have a big green bag of mg waiting for the next grow.

looks likea good place to smoke a fatty ! you do use mg nutes right??.

fdd2blk said:

yeah, i hate Miracle Grow. View attachment 293181

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fdd2blk said:

yeah, i hate Miracle Grow. View attachment 293181

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looks great as south texas has pointed out above!

Too bad they aren't healthy!?!?!?!?!?!

Without soil replacement, poisons, things that makes plants grow like a miracle, and without a marketing firm, the only logical explanation is that the cave men used the caves to grow shit, since man is so much better at growing shit than mother nature. Torch lighting was big then, bat guano was like manna falling. It must have been an amazing time.

fdd2blk said:

amazing the stuff ever made it growing in the wild.

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i would donate $1 to see a good clone grow side by side mg vs FF the real truth

Kingb420 said:

i would donate $1 to see a good clone grow side by side mg vs FF the real truth

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You're on Kingb when i get to clone stage with one of my buddies purple mountain magisties ill put one clone in ff and one in mg.... I'm not tryin to throw out all notion of using the stuff and not being successful but your not going to get a better plant from it and thats what im here to prove!!!

IM def not arguing with anyone, i want to know whats best, MG happens to be within walking distance for me of my house, used it a couple times now with good results. if there is a special soil that makes amazing return for the $ im there

Right on man right on.... we use to have this stuff that they make up in Boulder Colorado....If you don't know on 420 thousands upon thousand meet right on campus and just smoke the whole town. Just a little background on this town. You cant find this stuff anywhere cause all the serious growers up in boulder have the hook up to get it before its shipped so really the general public don't get the oppertunity to buy this stuff, but i did once and lord o lord the name says it all I believe it was called Solid Gold or Pure Gold its like 50 bucks a bag and it could only fill four three gallon pots. But this stuff had like plant steriods in it. A guy i know did almost the same thing im trying to do now only he did his with two different soils indoors and out. and both plants in the soild gold almost looked like a different plant was growing it was three times the plant of his garden variety soil.

I've never used MG soil, but I've used MG nutes (The Blue & Red granular shit) and FF nutes (The 3 pack..Tiger Bloom, Grow Big etc.) and I can't tell a bit of difference between the two. The only difference is I can buy MG at wal-mart for $5.00 and I had to order FF from the internet and it cost about 10 times as much.

MileHIGHclub101 said:

No when i say I have that i have two strain. the two pics are of the two different ones and how two different strains one indie in fox one in mg and one sativa in fox and one in mg and the fox farm right now is three time the size of the mg. And on the Indi it has some nute burn from its time release stuff. Just plain water for both and the mg is givin a day or two more to dry up

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oh ok cool..well I am definitely not knocking fox farm..I have never tried it only cause it's so much more expensive..I am sure it is excellent..

i just bought my house in the last 3 years and the people that had it before me had horses on part of the property..they always dumped there manure in this 30x40 area..so after finding that out I cultivated that area up and had a garden the last couple years...my tomato plants last year where over 5ft tall with massive yeilds...along with my other vegetables they all did extraordinary...the question I have is..would it be worth it to maybe use that soil in pots to grow my plants? maybe mix in some perlite?..just a thought..figured it would be better than to keep on buying potting soil..what do you all think?

MileHIGHclub101 said:

All very good arguments people i like what you have to say. This experiment is designed to show that the two different strains( you can tell by the different leaf formation) are so much smaller than the other grown in fox farm. I'm not saying its impossible to grow no not at all. I'm saying that if you are going to plant a plant thats going to take months upon months of care and watching and waiting and energy, you will regret it in the end by not releasing the plants full potential. If you just wanna see if you could do it like i did on my first grow be my guest and grow away. Ill post more pics as they progress so you can really tell the difference between the two.

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Ive done the exact kind of side by side grow that you are doing right now,if i were only running 10 plants or so i wouldnt have batted an eye & but for the amount of soil i need fox farms is out of the question,even miracle grow would be too expensive,so i researched soil & made my own blend.

After a few grows i got to wondering if i could get better results with expensive soil so i took out a 2nd mortgage on my home (not really) & bought a few bags of the FF original blend to run in a side by side grow to see for myself.

My results were the exact oposite of yours,my home made soil mix out performed the FF & my soil mix dont include any of the stuff like fishmeal,worm castings & oyster shells or bat poop,just a simple potting soil amended with sand,top soil,perlite & a simple humus/manure mix,all dirt cheap off the shelf products right from home depot.

The FF plants did ok too but i had better overall color in the plants with my soil mix & the sun leaves went a little further into the bud cycle before they started showing signs the end was near,the differences i had betwen the 2 soil types were small but dided against Fox Farm.

I attribute my better succes with my soil mix over the Fox Farm from me being familiar with how to get best results from my soil,all the science & research that supposedly goes into Fox Farm products, along with the extra additives Fox Farms includes in all their soils did nothing at all for my plants health or overall yeild.

I can & have also got better results from my garden using Peters Dynamic Duo fertilizers that are warned against using in this thread when compared against the Advanced Nutrients line for another test i did,what i learned from these side by side grows is this,a growers skill & familiarity with a product accounts much more for overall health & yeild vs using products that are supposedly top of the line,the same results or better can be had using much cheaper alternitaves it just takes a bit more research.

A very good point. If i were to be growing in a mass quantity i too would mend my own soil (mainly to know everything in it and know that it is uniformly the same in all my plants). This is interesting in the results that you had gotten and it just solidifing starting that certain strains like certain stuff.... Now in mine i'm using all the miracle grow fertilizers for the mg and all the fox farm fert for the fox. I don't know whats gonna happen which is the purpose of forum, but as the results so far all i can say is THE PROOFS IN THE PUDDIN!!! but who knows im going for plants not pudding

superman27nc said:

oh ok cool..well I am definitely not knocking fox farm..I have never tried it only cause it's so much more expensive..I am sure it is excellent..

i just bought my house in the last 3 years and the people that had it before me had horses on part of the property..they always dumped there manure in this 30x40 area..so after finding that out I cultivated that area up and had a garden the last couple years...my tomato plants last year where over 5ft tall with massive yeilds...along with my other vegetables they all did extraordinary...the question I have is..would it be worth it to maybe use that soil in pots to grow my plants? maybe mix in some perlite?..just a thought..figured it would be better than to keep on buying potting soil..what do you all think?

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I like your idea. If you are growing quite a few i would go for the self mixed soil (the manure you found perlite maybe some clean sand, and dolomite just so you can keep the ph good) you can add whatever else you might think your plants will need, but if the manure worked that good on tomatoes its prolly a pretty safe bet its gonna work well with your MJ plants, but yeah if i wasn't doing what i am now i would make my own soil.

i mix one 5 gal bucket of composted horse shit with 1 bucket of perlite and one bucket of merical grow organic topsoil and it seems to do quite well for me......... horse poop rocks

MileHIGHclub101 said:

This is not a drill people... when i was running around first trying to get the best possible soil the fastest i went with miracle grow moisture control.... and after reading whether it was good or not i got tired of you guys going 50/50 on it so i put my own shit on the line to show you guys in a little home done experiment which is better... Now as you can tell i've done two different strains and the ones on the bottom or in fox farm and the ones at the top are in miracle grow at three weeks... SO LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN NO BULLSHIT DONT DO IT IF YOU VALUE WHAT YOU ARE GROWING, and obviously you do you are on this web site... just stay clear of the MG its bad for you

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you would need to use the same strain. preferably clones so only the soil was different,

I've been off the mg for about a year now. Of corse i burned the ish outta my very first indoor grow(among other things) using mg moisture control and mg tomato food as well. Now I burned the ish out of that one indoors, but at the same time my buddy had an outdoor plant which took the mg all purpose food like a champ!

Yeah Wildfire i was givin that earlier and i said that in a few weeks im taking clones from my buddies purple mountain majesties and doing just that but here are some recent pic so you can see what i mean with this. The first is the swiss miss strain if you could see it a little clearer you could see the slight nute burn and the second is the Aurora Indica and in the third pic you can see the nute burn its doing with its time release shit!!!!! some like it some dont but as you can plainly see these two different strain do not like it

Tussel i know exactly where you went right and MG went wrong...im seeing it tends to like to hold water for more lengthy periods of time the perlite added would help with the drainage( and for beginners this is important...I know you want to give it all the loving you can but its alright to let it dry it likes it) and without added perlite my watering schedule is a day or even two behind the others..which also would lead me to believe the water uptake and nute up take is slower as well?

i tried miracle grow, it worked alright

but for some reason cow manure fertilizer worked really well, also my brother without me knowing out nutrient sticks in that soil

but whatever MG works just fine i figure

MileHIGHclub101 said:

Yeah Wildfire i was givin that earlier and i said that in a few weeks im taking clones from my buddies purple mountain majesties and doing just that but here are some recent pic so you can see what i mean with this. The first is the swiss miss strain if you could see it a little clearer you could see the slight nute burn and the second is the Aurora Indica and in the third pic you can see the nute burn its doing with its time release shit!!!!! some like it some dont but as you can plainly see these two different strain do not like it

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right on man let me know how that goes. i didnt mean to sound like a jerk, was just wondering if you had thought about that... i dont really like MG, but when i dont have any other soil on hand and have plants that need soil the organic choice with some more perlite and vermiculite mixed in is what i do. have you heard of Roots Organic Potting mix? thats what im always tryin to stock up on works nice. i have a friend use fox farm and i like the Roots Organic better