So who among you can make a legitimate argument for no government?

tampee · May 23, 2017

DiogenesTheWiser said:
A sheriff is a gov. official.

Not if the sheriff is appointed by the people shop owners, farmers and shit will pay.

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

fdd2blk said:
Why does humanity need to be governed is the better question. Are people really that evil?

YES!

When was there a time when human beings lived on earth and there was no government? What do we know about that time period?

Thinking society could exist without government is fantasy.

fdd2blk · May 23, 2017

DiogenesTheWiser said:
So you are condemning the person who wrote something without even reading what they wrote. That's just like a Trump cultist.

Why does humanity need to be governed? Are people incapable of acting civil on their own?

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

tampee said:
Not if the sheriff is appointed by the people shop owners, farmers and shit will pay.

An office of sheriff is a government. You said sheriff to keep the peace--that in and of itself is government.

fdd2blk · May 23, 2017

DiogenesTheWiser said:
YES!

When was there a time when human beings lived on earth and there was no government? What do we know about that time period?

Thinking society could exist without government is fantasy.

So people are evil?

Maybe they were meant to be.

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

Tampee would stand under the running water of a shower and say he's not wet. That's the equivalent of what you're saying about Sheriffs. Typical from a cop, though.

A few years ago I knew an active duty Army officer who was anti-government. I said, "dude, you are the GOvERNMENT." He then tried to convince me that the U.S. Military is not the government.

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

fdd2blk said:
So people are evil?

Maybe they were meant to be.

Human nature shows that we are self-interested to a fault. It's all about survival. and out of that interest, we are capable of doing very horrible things if not checked by some coercive power.

Rob Roy · May 23, 2017

schuylaar said:
Of anyone here, I'd love to see you IRL..I'm thinking wife let's you have a small area in the basement where you've papered the walls with Bigfoot pics.

Pretty hot eh ?

fdd2blk · May 23, 2017

DiogenesTheWiser said:
Human nature shows that we are self-interested to a fault. It's all about survival. and out of that interest, we are capable of doing very horrible things if not checked by some coercive power.

Who on this Earth was given the authority to decide on how everyone else is supposed to behave?

Grandpapy · May 23, 2017

fdd2blk said:
tl;dr

Poster is full of himself.

he said, Why are we building Islands in the South Pacific?

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

fdd2blk said:
Who on this Earth was given the authority to decide on how everyone else is supposed to behave?

Lots of folks. Usually, those with some kind of power decided that, like religious figures, people who amassed arms and food. Religious rules were the first form of "government" in human history.

tampee · May 23, 2017

DiogenesTheWiser said:
An office of sheriff is a government. You said sheriff to keep the peace--that in and of itself is government.

Not really he is only keeping the peace but he will hang you if you're a murder or rapist.

Rob Roy · May 23, 2017

ttystikk said:
Without Government there is nothing more than mob rule. Therefore the fellow who commands the biggest mob in the neighborhood has established a de facto government, so much for not having one.

Corporations have been created for centuries around the idea of bringing people and resources together for a common purpose and thereby creating more value than people working alone. A government is exactly the same idea, in their case the values created include security, opportunity, and mutual support.

Therefore government is a good idea. HOW that Government is operated and managed matters a great deal, of course- but the basic idea is sound and necessary. A village in the woods doesn't need much government, but a council of elders and/or a headman is a pretty universal feature of even the most primitive groups.

The larger a group of people gets, the greater the need becomes for an organization to protect the rights and serve the needs of this group. Again, it's not the basic concept but rather how it is done that matters most.

Nations of millions need a well developed governmental system for a myriad of reasons. It was the lack of such well organized and socially responsive government apparatus and business structures that was very likely the main reason the ancient world did not experience an Industrial Revolution around 1AD, give or take a century. Archeologists have confirmed that the necessary basic technologies certainly existed.

Today, the question is not at all whether we need government, but rather how it should be managed and how it should be held accountable to the people it is meant to serve.

/Thread.

Your unabashed worship of the central scrutinizer leads to unintended consequences. Can you say "empire" ?

Grandpapy · May 23, 2017

Rob Roy said:
I would say that any government should have no more right to do anything than an individual person has, since it is mathematically impossible to do otherwise. If anybody can disprove that, I'd really be interested in seeing the proof.

Anybody?

So, the first question is, what are (should be) the limitations any person has to run another persons life ?

Let me ask my mom and dad.

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

tampee said:
Not really he is only keeping the peace but he will hang you if you're a murder or rapist.

And that power he has demonstrates that a Sheriff is a gov. official. Gosh you're dense. Typical of cops, though. I haven't met a smart one yet.

fdd2blk · May 23, 2017

DiogenesTheWiser said:
Lots of folks. Usually, those with some kind of power decided that, like religious figures, people who amassed arms and food. Religious rules were the first form of "government" in human history.

I don't ever remember agreeing to any of that.

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

Where did you fuckers go to school? Are all you guys from the Deep South where school is another word for "football"?

I'd think you western fuckers would have benefited from a better education. Guess you trumpers were all home schooled.

tampee · May 23, 2017

DiogenesTheWiser said:
Human nature shows that we are self-interested to a fault. It's all about survival. and out of that interest, we are capable of doing very horrible things if not checked by some coercive power.

So you are fine with the police state that is worse than Nazi Germany??

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

fdd2blk said:
I don't ever remember agreeing to any of that.

Nobody gets a chance to agree to it. But we all consent. When we use currency, we are consenting. I guess you're too cool to use currency, though. The gov. considers folks like you an outlier.

DiogenesTheWiser · May 23, 2017

tampee said:
So you are fine with the police state that is worse than Nazi Germany??

No I'm not, that's why I hate Trump and his cultists.

Go back to tty's post about the type of government. That's the important part--the role government plays. Trumpists want an authoritarian strongman to ruin people's lives. Liberals want a fairer and freeer society.

So who among you can make a legitimate argument for no government?

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