The Quest for a Better Aero!

Trichy Bastard

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Yeah, it was annoying with all of his ranting about himself, I think he was a bit egotistical... fag= false aero grow (or low pressure) hehe, but funny... I do give the guy credit for basically being a pioneer though, he was making it up as he went with hardly anything for reference, so that deserves some respect...
 

Mike Young

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So, I found the receipt for my bio nozzles....



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They're the right ones.

Also checked my acc air pressure since emptying my tank of water. Still right on 78 psi.
 

Trichy Bastard

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So, I found the receipt for my bio nozzles....



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They're the right ones.

Also checked my acc air pressure since emptying my tank of water. Still right on 78 psi.
Well, I guess you're just gonna have to do some trials. I still would think that tree farmer would have figured out and used the best stuff through his own trial and error? Hey I have a question, I am buying my 422 timer, and I was wondering which base did you use (I think the one with the rear facing terminals is the one?) and also did you need the extra $9 mounting hardware set too? I like the box you have it in and that would probably work fine for my setup if you don't mind me copying :). Also- did you get the ON time on top or bottom- I think I'd rather have it on top.
 

Mike Young

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Top/bottom, not sure it matters. One is displays secs & the other mins so they aren't confused. I used the rear facing, and no you only need the timer & base. I actually screwed up on the pvc conduit I chose. I wasn't deep enough, and I had to cut out the back. But feel free bro. I wouldn't post it if I was concerned. Competition breeds new & exciting ideas. Not sure myself what's going on with the nozzles. I broke the inpingment off one the first time screwing it into the JG fitting. :( I tried the other 5, and they all performed the same. I really think they would work fine at 125. I'm just not gonna try it.
 

Trichy Bastard

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Hey Mike- I gotta 'nother question for you... I think I noticed a white cartridge filter housing on the floor in one of your pics. Are you using it in your system- and if so- where? - On the pickup side of the pump, or on the high pressure outlet side? Reason I ask is because they are not rated past 125psi that I can find- and I plan to run up to 140psi. So I was considering putting it on the pickup side of the pump, but have concerns it won't work that way...
 

Trichy Bastard

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Top/bottom, not sure it matters. One is displays secs & the other mins so they aren't confused. I used the rear facing, and no you only need the timer & base. I actually screwed up on the pvc conduit I chose. I wasn't deep enough, and I had to cut out the back. But feel free bro. I wouldn't post it if I was concerned. Competition breeds new & exciting ideas. Not sure myself what's going on with the nozzles. I broke the inpingment off one the first time screwing it into the JG fitting. :( I tried the other 5, and they all performed the same. I really think they would work fine at 125. I'm just not gonna try it.
Ohh hey- one more thing. When I called these guys to order my timer- they told me if you use the rear facing terminals base, you'll have to cut out the back of the box- but if you use the other base you don't? I know it's a tad too late for you now, but can you see how that might have worked? Cuz I bought that base instead since he told me that...
 

Mike Young

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I was gonna use it right before the solenoids, but as it's a carbon filter I read that it'll filter out precious MG from the nutrients as well all all other metals:( It's only rated for 125, but I'd think slightly over wouldn't hurt. Unless it starts to break the filter down and clog heads.

As it stands now, I plan to just use the whole house filter before the pump. When I'm getting ready to fill the acc, I let the pump go for 5-10 mins back into the res to get the air outta the lines. Seems to work. I don't get any dry fires from the nozzles:)

I bought both, and they are the same size. I don't know how one would fit & not the other. Not sure what he means by that.
 

PetFlora

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Please enlighten me. I sold residential and commercial filtration systems. I have owned an RO for over 25 years. The only place for filtration is to clean the water you are using to make nutes. hth
 

Mike Young

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Please enlighten me. I sold residential and commercial filtration systems. I have owned an RO for over 25 years. The only place for filtration is to clean the water you are using to make nutes. hth
I use RO for my water, but have to pick it up in 5 gallon jugs at the store. Not a huge deal, as I do it anyway for drinking water as my well water is crazy with iron. I am not certain about carbon filters & metals, and couldn't really find anybody who was either. I know that some carbon filters certainly filter out metals, but not to assume they all do. That was enough right there for me to forget about it.

Are you saying that you only use filtered (RO) water, then add nutes, and no further filtration happens after that?
 

Atomizer

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Its a good idea to have some kind of filter on the pump intake just in case..but it doesnt have to be anything special. I pour the nutes through a 1 micron bag filter into the res. The pump inlet is covered by a simple filter.. a 3/4" -1/4" JG adapter fitted with a replaceable disc cut from a 1 micron filter bag :)
 

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PetFlora

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Nothing that I know of that would require carbon filtration. Maybe you are confused about removing particulates that could clog your nozzles. For that I use a filter with a 200 mesh insert. Also the Reptile Basics heads have screens in them. Since I stopped using organic additives the problem pretty much went away.

I use a version of this. This is better than mine as it is easier to inspect/clean the filter. hth http://www.dripworksusa.com/store/filters.php#FYDLSS34
 

Mike Young

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Ok, that make a little more sense. I only bought the carbon filter because it had 1/4" JG in/out. I was gonna have it in addition to my sediment filter (pre pressure/50-80 micron) but upon reading decided against it. I have one of those mesh filters on my greenhouse overhead mist setup. Cheap, and haven't had any issues. I think I'll leave my setup like it is, and the carbon filter will go to the pile:)
 

Trichy Bastard

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well PetFlora, it's advisable to use ro water to start, right? But then random junk can enter the reservoir, and sometimes the nutes can get gritty outta the bottle, therefore to keep the nozzles from clogging, an inline filter is a good idea...
 

Trichy Bastard

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Its a good idea to have some kind of filter on the pump intake just in case..but it doesnt have to be anything special. I pour the nutes through a 1 micron bag filter into the res. The pump inlet is covered by a simple filter.. a 3/4" -1/4" JG adapter fitted with a replaceable disc cut from a 1 micron filter bag :)
Now with the added inline filter you made- that is exactly what i was looking for- thanks!
 

Trichy Bastard

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Ok, that make a little more sense. I only bought the carbon filter because it had 1/4" JG in/out. I was gonna have it in addition to my sediment filter (pre pressure/50-80 micron) but upon reading decided against it. I have one of those mesh filters on my greenhouse overhead mist setup. Cheap, and haven't had any issues. I think I'll leave my setup like it is, and the carbon filter will go to the pile:)
Yes, I am nearly sure you would NOT want to use a carbon filter... The carbon itself can break off and put dust in the system, and carbon will absorb chemicals in your nutes- I am almost certain...
 

Atomizer

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Now with the added inline filter you made- that is exactly what i was looking for- thanks!
Hi Trichy
If your pump has a fairly high flow it would be best to tee a few filter heads off the line in the res so the pump draws from several at once, that`ll give you more headroom
 

Trichy Bastard

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Hi Trichy
If your pump has a fairly high flow it would be best to tee a few filter heads off the line in the res so the pump draws from several at once, that`ll give you more headroom
Thanks- I recently wrote in my thread that I was going to try a whole house filter that seemed like it would work. I'll let ya know how it goes, and if not the tee idea is smart... Cheers!
 

Mike Young

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While I wait, I thought I'd take atomizer`s advice & get some practice in on a pepper plant. If anything, see if I'm capable of fuzzies. I tried with some unrooted cuttings a few days ago, just because I'm hardheaded & wanted to see if they'd root. They probably would've, but I was forced to run the on cycle 4 seconds, and that drained my 4 or so gallons in the accumulator in just 2 days. I quickly gave up on that test. This should make for a better experiment.

Here's a quick 1 min clip of what I'm talkin about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iicCTVyEODg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

And this a very short burst. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0R5nCCG3Q&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
 

Trichy Bastard

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While I wait, I thought I'd take atomizer`s advice & get some practice in on a pepper plant. If anything, see if I'm capable of fuzzies. I tried with some unrooted cuttings a few days ago, just because I'm hardheaded & wanted to see if they'd root. They probably would've, but I was forced to run the on cycle 4 seconds, and that drained my 4 or so gallons in the accumulator in just 2 days. I quickly gave up on that test. This should make for a better experiment.

Here's a quick 1 min clip of what I'm talkin about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iicCTVyEODg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

And this a very short burst. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv0R5nCCG3Q&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Cool man, look forward to the results. I too am getting restless waiting for the mailman to deliver... Here's a fun fact about capsaicin (the "hotness" chemical in peppers). It actually does not burn you at all, but binds to your heat sensing nerves and tricks them into thinking it's hot. The feeling is so real to your brain that your body triggers a reaction (sweating, etc.) but no harm or physical burning is actually occurring. Birds lack the physiology to have capsaicin bind to their receptors, and therefore even the hottest chilies are like bell peppers to them, and they'll eat em no problem... Capsaicin also, by binding to certain receptors, can block pain- and follows the same pathways as opiates and stimulating other dopamine receptors, causing it to become somewhat addictive to eat spicy food. LOL- isn't it an interesting world...
 
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