The Second Amendment- Right to Bear Arms

You know the common factor in the whole gun issue no matter which way you look at it is? Guns. We are always going to have mentally ill people, disgruntled employees, jealous rages. So since we know we usually can't prevent human actions, then the next logical thing would be to ban certain guns. But I feel that there is so many guns in the world now, that it has become cancer that you can't cure. So the answer has become"More guns"?

Just to let you know I like guns. I shot at shooters world in goodyear AZ last week. I shot a 22 bushmaster type gun, 1911(which I loved), M-1 with polymer finish(what a great fucking gun). I have to say for shooting 3 times in the past 15 years. I was shooting better then some of the guys their. I won about a hundred bucks that day in bets. I felt like top shot material lol. I was ready to go to the next range and hustle some shooters lol.

But the bushmaster type gun was too easy. I could unload a clip so quick and accurately. My 15 year old nephew was hitting the bulls eye 20 yards out. With an extended clip it really is a killing tool that should be off the streets. I found the other guns to be more fun and challenging. I wouldn't miss that gun if it was banned.

Peace
Salt

Saltrock said:

You know the common factor in the whole gun issue no matter which way you look at it is? Guns. We are always going to have mentally ill people, disgruntled employees, jealous rages. So since we know we usually can't prevent human actions, then the next logical thing would be to ban certain guns. But I feel that there is so many guns in the world now, that it has become cancer that you can't cure. So the answer has become"More guns"?

Just to let you know I like guns. I shot at shooters world in goodyear AZ last week. I shot a 22 bushmaster type gun, 1911(which I loved), M-1 with polymer finish(what a great fucking gun). I have to say for shooting 3 times in the past 15 years. I was shooting better then some of the guys their. I won about a hundred bucks that day in bets. I felt like top shot material lol. I was ready to go to the next range and hustle some shooters lol.

But the bushmaster type gun was too easy. I could unload a clip so quick and accurately. My 15 year old nephew was hitting the bulls eye 20 yards out. With an extended clip it really is a killing tool that should be off the streets. I found the other guns to be more fun and challenging. I wouldn't miss that gun if it was banned.

Peace
Salt

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Shooting a bulls eye 20 yards out with a rifle is so easy a caveman could do it.

FYI they are called magazines, not clips.

You thought you were shooting a M1, but you were really shooting a M1a. M1s don't have polymer anything.

Bushmaster does not make a 22. They make a .223, HUGE difference.

Pot smokers have a problem with short term memory.

I wonder why we guard gold and money with guns, but guard our children with hope.

In order to form a well regulated militia.....

How is it possible to do that if everyone is afraid of guns?

If no one can shoot?

If no one can kill?

That is what shall not be abridged. Not a nation of pussies. And no matter how hard the pussies try, it will never work.

Some of us have to be able to quickly form a well regulated unit of defense. That is the 2nd A. You won't be able to pussify this fact.

The Civilian Marksmanship Program is still going strong, I think. What's up with that? You can still get a hard hitting battle rifle from the Federal Govt and they will teach you to use it.

That's what this is about, the Sillies vs the Serious.

UncleBuck said:

what planet do you live on that is rife with microchips for the populace and fema camps?

think you might have ingested a bit too much alex jones. take two NPRs and call me in the morning.

lynn rosetto casper is especially soothing, but torture if you have the munchies.

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earth?

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-school-force-teenager-wear-locator-chip-judge-021126100.html

FlyLikeAnEagle said:

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I am certain that you realize that this was the state of the art military weapon at the time... so why are we denied the same?

NoDrama said:

Shooting a bulls eye 20 yards out with a rifle is so easy a caveman could do it.

FYI they are called magazines, not clips.

You thought you were shooting a M1, but you were really shooting a M1a. M1s don't have polymer anything.

Bushmaster does not make a 22. They make a .223, HUGE difference.

Pot smokers have a problem with short term memory.

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Well I can't imagine a class room or movie theater has a distance more then 20-25 yards, so you are right it would be easy to accurately spray down human lives with that type of gun. So easy a caveman could do it, or a deranged person.

At least admit that it would be easier to kill a classroom full of kids or a movie theater full of people with a bushmaster type gun and extended magazines versus M1a or a revolver.

That is like saying one person throwing one snow ball at a time is just effective than 10 people throwing snowballs. Or one person who has buckets full of snowballs is equal to one person making snowballs one at a time.

Even if you did have a hand gun while a crazed gunman with bullet proof gear and way more ammo then you, opened fire in a movie theater, you think with all the confusion you are going to take out the shooter before you run out of bullets? What are the chances you hit and innocent person? Just like the incident in LA when those russian guys robbed that bank, those cops were out gunned and had a hell of a time taking those guys out. So to you the obvious answer is fight fire with fire instead of taking just the matches away.

Peace
Salt

Saltrock said:

Well I can't imagine a class room or movie theater has a distance more then 20-25 yards, so you are right it would be easy to accurately spray down human lives with that type of gun. So easy a caveman could do it, or a deranged person.

At least admit that it would be easier to kill a classroom full of kids or a movie theater full of people with a bushmaster type gun and extended magazines versus M1a or a revolver.

That is like saying one person throwing one snow ball at a time is just effective than 10 people throwing snowballs. Or one person who has buckets full of snowballs is equal to one person making snowballs one at a time.

Even if you did have a hand gun while a crazed gunman with bullet proof gear and way more ammo then you, opened fire in a movie theater, you think with all the confusion you are going to take out the shooter before you run out of bullets? What are the chances you hit and innocent person? Just like the incident in LA when those russian guys robbed that bank, those cops were out gunned and had a hell of a time taking those guys out. So to you the obvious answer is fight fire with fire instead of taking just the matches away.

Peace
Salt

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Would be easier to just toss in a pipe bomb.

SirGreenThumb said:

Would be easier to just toss in a pipe bomb.

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Yeah lol. But, a pipe bomb would require some assembling and research. So unless you have a guy make you a bomb and you throw it in a classroom, it would be easier to go buy a gun and bullets and mow down some people. No assembling required.

Peace
Salt

the amount of research required is about the same length of time it would take to load a magazine. very easy shit to get a hold of. very easy to do. and if you were bent on death and destruction, it would be the way to go. a killer will find a way to kill. if i wanted to take out one person or 25 matters not. tho 25 would also require a little luck... err um bad luck? idk.


Salt, that pic is my favorite scene from any JC movie.. i have been on the roof many days and thought about that... Warrrmmmm....

Saltrock said:

So to you the obvious answer is fight fire with fire instead of taking just the matches away.

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No, you want to make fire illegal.

Brrr cold.... fire, good.

Mr Neutron said:

I am certain that you realize that this was the state of the art military weapon at the time... so why are we denied the same?

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i'm not gonna give some old coot like yourself a nuclear bomb, you'll just hold everyone hostage for mustachioed hookers and brown cartel schwag.

Saltrock said:

Yeah lol. But, a pipe bomb would require some assembling and research. So unless you have a guy make you a bomb and you throw it in a classroom, it would be easier to go buy a gun and bullets and mow down some people. No assembling required.

Peace
Salt

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Assembly and research? LOL

SirGreenThumb said:

Would be easier to just toss in a pipe bomb.

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This is something I'm actually worried about now, I'm thinking without beefed up security at schools how easy it would be for someone to put together a dozen pipe bombs attached to a vest using model rocket motor igniters a lantern battery and a simple toggle switch as a trigger and simply walk into a crowded classroom killing a dozen or more kids.

Smirgen said:

This is something I'm actually worried about now, I'm thinking without beefed up security at schools how easy it would be for someone to put together a dozen pipe bombs attached to a vest using model rocket motor igniters a lantern battery and a simple toggle switch as a trigger and simply walk into a crowded classroom killing a dozen or more kids.

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I don't think that is going to happen. There is something psychological going on in the shooter's head that is only satisfied by being there and seeing the effect of his sickness. There's also that instant celebrity factor, their 15 minutes, if you will.
Throwing a bomb takes that away. The motivations are totally different. IMO, of course.

Smirgen said:

This is something I'm actually worried about now, I'm thinking without beefed up security at schools how easy it would be for someone to put together a dozen pipe bombs attached to a vest using model rocket motor igniters a lantern battery and a simple toggle switch as a trigger and simply walk into a crowded classroom killing a dozen or more kids.

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hmmmn, sounds like you have put some thought into this, mind if we have a look at your internet search history....

Smirgen said:

This is something I'm actually worried about now, I'm thinking without beefed up security at schools how easy it would be for someone to put together a dozen pipe bombs attached to a vest using model rocket motor igniters a lantern battery and a simple toggle switch as a trigger and simply walk into a crowded classroom killing a dozen or more kids.

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You don't even have to make it that difficult. Over the 4th last year I made some PVC pipe bombs out of standard firework powder. A length of pipe, some caps and a fuse and that's all you need. I even made one with a waterproof fuse and went fishing.

Mr Neutron said:

I am certain that you realize that this was the state of the art military weapon at the time... so why are we denied the same?

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Right you are. We need military grade, high capacity armed shooters. This isn't about hunting. That is a ruse of the left. Not about insurrection, either. Citizen soldiers, that bring a Clue to the fight, not just the weapon. We need Civilians that are not going to start crying when they have start shooting. It's pretty simple. Not weaklings. That is our Right.

This touches on the 9th A, as well to me. Un-expressed Rights. Our blanket Right is to Life. Yes, we won't know when is the call. In our home, the street, that split second....Maybe we won't have a gun. But, our Constitution contains this unfetter Right to Do Something.

Sometimes all that we have is the courage of birth right. Maybe all that's left is just, "Let's Roll."

Saltrock said:

You know the common factor in the whole gun issue no matter which way you look at it is? Guns. We are always going to have mentally ill people, disgruntled employees, jealous rages. So since we know we usually can't prevent human actions, then the next logical thing would be to ban certain guns. But I feel that there is so many guns in the world now, that it has become cancer that you can't cure. So the answer has become"More guns"?

Just to let you know I like guns. I shot at shooters world in goodyear AZ last week. I shot a 22 bushmaster type gun, 1911(which I loved), M-1 with polymer finish(what a great fucking gun). I have to say for shooting 3 times in the past 15 years. I was shooting better then some of the guys their. I won about a hundred bucks that day in bets. I felt like top shot material lol. I was ready to go to the next range and hustle some shooters lol.

But the bushmaster type gun was too easy. I could unload a clip so quick and accurately. My 15 year old nephew was hitting the bulls eye 20 yards out. With an extended clip it really is a killing tool that should be off the streets. I found the other guns to be more fun and challenging. I wouldn't miss that gun if it was banned.

Peace
Salt

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The bolded translates as "No guns ... no gun problem." I could respond with cautionary tales from the 20th Century. But there is the whole "who'll listen?" problem. The folks I'd most want to reach will be the ones who viscerally respond at some level of guns, ewww! Your post contains that sentiment even though it's well-camouflaged by stories of how well you can shoot a rifle at slingshot ranges.

You correctly describe the Ar platform as a killing tool. That is precisely why it is a protected article in the Bill of Rights. A gun's utility is in direct proportion to its capacity to be dangerous. Notice how the hot new buzzword is "common-sense gun laws"? In every case, the "common sense" involved focuses on the fact that guns are dangerous and the implication that less dangerous things is the obvious common-sense conclusion. However more often than not "common sense" is the cover for a first-pass emotional response (see the lavender) without the next level of thought being pursued, the one that led to the Second Amensdment being included in the core document.
Trouble is, now we have "common sense" proposals like Justice Breyer deciding on all our behalf that the only proper beneficiary of the Second is government. This is the opposite of any kind of sense. My opinion. cn

NoDrama said:

I wonder why we guard gold and money with guns, but guard our children with hope.

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Have you ever once seen hope deter a physical threat? Have you ever seen hope employed in a guarding capacity? How did that look? cn