There Is No Devil.

shroomer33 · Jul 10, 2009

CrackerJax said:
None. None at all, although the church has gone to great lengths to make connections they are flimsy at best. Surely the King of Kings would have been BIG BIG news, and yet, nothing.

The Romans were real paper pushers too. Nothing escaped their detail.......

Nobody other than the Jews would care!!
The Jews DID write down what happened. The King of Kings came to the Jews, according to their scriptures. Nobody else would care.

In Roman eyes, Jesus was just another crazy person put to death. Show me all the records of people who were crucified by the Romans, since they were so meticulous in their record keeping.

Jesus only made a bit of a fuss for a few days. After that, there was no fuss. He was dead.
Why would Rome care to record anything?

CrackerJax · Jul 10, 2009

shroomer33 said:
I never wanted a blanket of comfort. I wanted the truth. I was quite happy before I knew how true the Bible really was, but there was no truth anywhere else. I could not ignore that.

Not all people who believe in a higher power do it because it makes them comfortable.

Your ignorance is overwhelming, and your logic is quite flawed. Have you even taken a class on logic, or read a book on logic?

Can't even admit it to yourself? :lol:

That's ok, most cannot either. The ONLY thing religion offers is a made up comfort. The Bible is not true, and cannot be proven to be so.....where's your logic son? Don't get into logic when discussing religion. You only diminish your view to others. At least those who are actually listening to you that is, and not just bobbing their heads because they share the same fears.

shroomer33 said:
Done. Can't see the problem. Enlighten us with your amazing mind.

You propose to believe in something ABSOLUTELY, with no proof required. Shall I continue? :lol:

I can.....it's very easy.

shroomer33 · Jul 10, 2009

CrackerJax said:
You propose to believe in something ABSOLUTELY, with no proof required. Shall I continue? I can.....it's very easy.

I was talking about supersymmetry and extra dimensions, or even the Higgs boson. Just because we don't have the proof of their existence, that doesn't mean they don't exist. The point is, AGAIN, (I always have to repeat myself to you because you don't get it the first time.) that sometimes we have to wait for the proof.

It doesn't mean that the proof doesn't exist.

Again, enlighten us. Show me the flaw here. I'll even read it aloud again.

CrackerJax · Jul 10, 2009

shroomer33 said:
I was talking about supersymmetry and extra dimensions, or even the Higgs boson. Just because we don't have the proof of their existence, that doesn't mean they don't exist. The point is, AGAIN, (I always have to repeat myself to you because you don't get it the first time.) that sometimes we have to wait for the proof.

It doesn't mean that the proof doesn't exist.

And you are just as guilty of ABSOLUTE belief.

Your logic is circular at best, if non existent. You may mention hypothetical scientific theories which are based upon foundational knowledge layered over time and tested constantly.

That has NOTHING...NOTHING to do with religion.

Keep trying though, it's amusing.

shroomer33 · Jul 10, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Your logic is circular at best, if non existent. You may mention hypothetical scientific theories which are based upon foundational knowledge layered over time and tested constantly.

That has NOTHING...NOTHING to do with religion.

Keep trying though, it's amusing.

No kidding. I am not talking about religion. Do you even know what circular reasoning is? If so, how is my reasoning circular?

My logic is non existent??? Show me the fallacy. You can't. You are not equipped to. So stop going around pretending like you know logic, because you don't.

CrackerJax · Jul 10, 2009

shroomer33 said:
I never wanted a blanket of comfort. I wanted the truth. I was quite happy before I knew how true the Bible really was, but there was no truth anywhere else. I could not ignore that.

Don't pee down my leg and tell me it's raining. you use those analogies to crutch up your faith. It COULD be possible. Yah, and the universe could all be a backdrop on a Hollywood set.... COULD BE, so let's all believe it, because it COULD be true.

Laughable and sad at the same time. Neat trick.

shroomer33 · Jul 10, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Neither the Bible nor the cases against MJ has any proof. They must therefore be false.

Great logic, pal.

shroomer33 · Jul 10, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Laughable and sad at the same time. Neat trick.

I love how you resort to name calling by calling me sad and my reasoning laughable.

Showing your true colors, huh, and your inability to debate someone(me) who has just a miniscule idea of how to argue?

devilngod · Jul 10, 2009

jesus is a myth. he was no more real than zeus or santa clause for that matter. theres something bigger then us(god?) but the human brain just can't comprehend it, sorta like life after death and the size of space.

CrackerJax · Jul 10, 2009

shroomer33 said:
I love how you resort to name calling by calling me sad and my reasoning laughable.

Showing your true colors, huh, and your inability to debate someone(me) who has just a miniscule idea of how to argue?

Where's the name calling? Why can't you just admit that you use those scientific examples to make an abstract parallel why the Bible could be true as well. I mean if you are trying to be coy about it, and your responses since indicate that very thing, I call shenanigans upon you!

But saying that unproven SCIENTIFIC theories somehow exists on the same plane of consideration as RELIGION just doesn't fly!!

You have been the one getting personal.... :lol:

I'm just keeping it real.

shroomer33 · Jul 10, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Where's the name calling? Why can't you just admit that you use those scientific examples to make an abstract parallel why the Bible could be true as well. I mean if you are trying to be coy about it, and your responses since indicate that very thing, I call shenanigans upon you!

But saying that unproven SCIENTIFIC theories somehow exists on the same plane of consideration as RELIGION just doesn't fly!!

You have been the one getting personal.... I'm just keeping it real.

what did you mean by "laughable and sad at the same time"?

cream8 · Jul 10, 2009

we are all gods we are all devils. we are human animals

shroomer33 · Jul 10, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Where's the name calling? Why can't you just admit that you use those scientific examples to make an abstract parallel why the Bible could be true as well. I mean if you are trying to be coy about it, and your responses since indicate that very thing, I call shenanigans upon you!

But saying that unproven SCIENTIFIC theories somehow exists on the same plane of consideration as RELIGION just doesn't fly!!

You have been the one getting personal.... I'm just keeping it real.

AGAIN....
the scientific theories were illustrations of how things can be true independent of proof, like your comment about Michael Jackson's lack of guilt.
RELIGION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!

I am getting sick of having to repeat myself. This is like the third time with this one.

CrackerJax · Jul 10, 2009

I did mean your logic was laughable, and the sad was the result of flawed logic....i.e. unquestioning belief in something not in evidence.

Yo, Cream... I can get behind that one. Religion is a reflection of MAN, not G*D.

We make our world......

g00sEgg · Jul 10, 2009

BrotherJay said:
Folks... there is no devil outside of yourself. When Jesus spoke of evil, he was referring to the ego that is inside each and every one of us. The ego is responsible for the pain and suffering in this world because it is the outright denial of God (who has no opposite).

God gave us free will and by His Will, we are free to think what we wish. So we have chosen to forsake God in search of our bodily pleasures.

To believe in some Devil out there in this world is to project your own sense of guilt onto a false fabricated personification, slap horns on it, paint it red, give it a tail and hooves and wallah, you have Satan.

The ego is all the ideas, judgements and concepts we have about ourselves in relation to God and our brothers. WE MADE THEM UP, not God. Yet God waits for us in perfect Peace to welcome us home when we realize our matrix of illusions is nothing. Peace, BrotherJay.

Is this your own religion you made up yourself?

If there's no "satan" therefore, there is no "god".

Personally...i think when jesus was talking of "eveil"...trying to scare people...just like cults to this day....

I personally...grew up christian, went to a catholic high school...4 years of religion class...and then i realized...none of this shit makes sense.

It's just another fictional book...

Green Cross · Jul 10, 2009

BrotherJay said:
Folks... there is no devil outside of yourself. When Jesus spoke of evil, he was referring to the ego that is inside each and every one of us. The ego is responsible for the pain and suffering in this world because it is the outright denial of God (who has no opposite).

God gave us free will and by His Will, we are free to think what we wish. So we have chosen to forsake God in search of our bodily pleasures.

To believe in some Devil out there in this world is to project your own sense of guilt onto a false fabricated personification, slap horns on it, paint it red, give it a tail and hooves and wallah, you have Satan.

The ego is all the ideas, judgements and concepts we have about ourselves in relation to God and our brothers. WE MADE THEM UP, not God. Yet God waits for us in perfect Peace to welcome us home when we realize our matrix of illusions is nothing. Peace, BrotherJay.

The Devil would like you to believe there is no devil.

What I am more interested in is why someone would waste so much time trying to disprove Christianity?

cream8 · Jul 10, 2009

the only reality is the one you create yourself. life is empty and meaningless. humans are the ones who put meaning into things

tip top toker · Jul 10, 2009

agreed, no devil, no god.

10 commandments, one of which, don't work the sabbeth. go to hell yadda yadda. jesus openly breaks this commandment, picks grain, saves a goat etc etc, so jesus goes to hell. god hoever, tells jesus that he will ascend and be sat next to him etc in heaven, but if jesus is in hell, then the always-correct god, is also down in hell, as he's got to be sat there for jesus to sit beside him. god also calls it his kingdom, so therefore god is in hell in his kingdom. god is the devil. jesus is god is the holy spirit is one. jesus is the devil. heaven is hell. the whole thing is one big evil

shazam, a book in the works!

CrackerJax · Jul 10, 2009

Green Cross said:
The Devil would like you to believe there is no devil.

What I am more interested in is why someone would waste so much time trying to disprove Christianity?

What's that against 2000 years of the church trying to prove their view to the world......?? Much to our detriment I might add. Many have died under the weight of the cross.....many innocents have been killed. Many multitudes....

cream8 · Jul 10, 2009

theres only 2 commandments the others are variations on those 2

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