using sugared water

lampshade

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Spraying carb products on bud/leaf is as wasteful as spraying it on your dog and hoping it improves your plant yields.. Any effect you see besides scorching is definately psychosomatic..
On the Advance stuff, I'm with UB.. Until they provide some real info about what they're selling, I'm going to assume its snake oil..
Has anybody done any patent searches on the company??
Hey its been a while since ive posted. Going through a move right now. But i know for sure that plants are more efficient at absorbing sugars through the stomatas on the leaf than they are at absorbing sugars with there roots. Of course afterwards you would want to mist with pure water to get off the sticky sheem left behind. Lamp
 

lampshade

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I dont wanna argue but yes microrganisms in the soil eat carbs and sugars. But plants will and do absorb sugar both through there roots and through there leaves. Having too much sugar in a plant is even pssible. The effects of an overload of sugar is that the plant will stop growing leaves and stems and will send all the sugar t the fruits/flowers in order to use it up.
 

born2killspam

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Got any references on the excess phenomenon?? I know sucrose produced within the leaves forms larger compounds that can't travel in the opposite direction as they reach the phloem, but that production and transport is facilitated by the proton gradient formed by light energy.. If there is sufficient CO2 there will be the perfect amount of sucrose..
I read of an experiment that manipulated a few genes in some fig relative IIRC, that prevented the sucrose combination resulting in excess sucrose in the leaves since sucrose was able to travel back into them, and they observed reduced photosynthetic capacity..
 

lampshade

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Got any references on the excess phenomenon?? I know sucrose produced within the leaves forms larger compounds that can't travel in the opposite direction as they reach the phloem, but that production and transport is facilitated by the proton gradient formed by light energy.. If there is sufficient CO2 there will be the perfect amount of sucrose..
I read of an experiment that manipulated a few genes in some fig relative IIRC, that prevented the sucrose combination resulting in excess sucrose in the leaves since sucrose was able to travel back into them, and they observed reduced photosynthetic capacity..
Why are we talking about the Electron Trainsprot Chain. Yes active transport can move sugars against their will. Mostly by the use of a proton pump. I though we were talking about plants absorbing sugars through there stomata's. Which they can do. I will find a reference for you on how if flowers/fruits are avaliable plants stop growing vegetativly and send all the sugars to the fruit untill levels are normal. Also the sugars we give plants are NEVER the type they need. We feed them more complex sugars and the plant is forced to reduce the sugar into a simpler state. Such as deoxyribulose the starter sugar in the calvin cycle, and G3P or Guanine triphosphate, which is the final product. Again ill find a reference on the stunting, remember almost nothing is plant science is a fact most of it is theories and backed by anecdotal evidence. Sorry it took me so long to respond, im in the middle of a move and its hard to get online. Lamp
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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i dont have any hard evidence, but ive heard over and over recently that a plant will absorb some of the sugar in one way or another. while that may be true, i think a major purpose in using sugar is for the roots. the original article i was going off of was an issue of high times, and it was in the ask jorge cervantes section, does anyone have his dvd's or books? perhaps he would explain himself in more detail, his said... if done properly the plant could produce up to 20% larger buds, which of course means in perfect conditions as well. all i can say is that ive got healthier plants this time than ever before, wiether its from the molasses or not i couldnt tell you because i didnt keep a plant as a control, and im not using clones i dunno, but i got a journal link in my sig w/new pics today! (finally)
 

lampshade

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i dont have any hard evidence, but ive heard over and over recently that a plant will absorb some of the sugar in one way or another. while that may be true, i think a major purpose in using sugar is for the roots. the original article i was going off of was an issue of high times, and it was in the ask jorge cervantes section, does anyone have his dvd's or books? perhaps he would explain himself in more detail, his said... if done properly the plant could produce up to 20% larger buds, which of course means in perfect conditions as well. all i can say is that ive got healthier plants this time than ever before, wiether its from the molasses or not i couldnt tell you because i didnt keep a plant as a control, and im not using clones i dunno, but i got a journal link in my sig w/new pics today! (finally)
At night the plant sends sugars to the roots and some goes to the buds. The molasess probably helped you out by feeding the plant with excess sugar as well as feeding the plant sugar. I have Jorge Cervantes's book its at my old apartment ill get it soon enough. But i do know that Ed Rosenthill claims that you can actually run a needle and thread through the stalk of a plant and then let the thread sit in sugar water. Since water has capillary action, it will pull itself up the string like a wick and the plant is 'supposed' to benefit greatly from this. I would imagine however that you would be better off injecting it than running a needle through the stalk, but hey i got friend that snap there plants over when they get too tall and they seem just dandy, they just grow sideways for awhile. Lamp.
 

Whatever1987

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Are grape molasses as good as sugar cane molasses? And is there anything to keep in mind when using this stuff? I would imagine that sugar could cause fungi infection or something like that.
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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At night the plant sends sugars to the roots and some goes to the buds. The molasess probably helped you out by feeding the plant with excess sugar as well as feeding the plant sugar. I have Jorge Cervantes's book its at my old apartment ill get it soon enough. But i do know that Ed Rosenthill claims that you can actually run a needle and thread through the stalk of a plant and then let the thread sit in sugar water. Since water has capillary action, it will pull itself up the string like a wick and the plant is 'supposed' to benefit greatly from this. I would imagine however that you would be better off injecting it than running a needle through the stalk, but hey i got friend that snap there plants over when they get too tall and they seem just dandy, they just grow sideways for awhile. Lamp.

yeah i always try to force my plants to grow to even heights, i always top or FIM, and then bend and tie if i have to...

i do have the string and needles to do that, however im kinda afraid to try it.

I wonder why we dont hear more about carb loading. this place is basically the only place ive heard of it besides that specific high times article

would it be worth the trouble to try to use molasses on outdoor pants that are planted directly into the ground?
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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Are grape molasses as good as sugar cane molasses? And is there anything to keep in mind when using this stuff? I would imagine that sugar could cause fungi infection or something like that.
i would read the label closely... too much sodium would be deadly, and you certainly want unsulphured molasses. i use plain ol original grandma's molasses. it sells for around $3 a jar

ive never heard of grape molasses tho, is it homemade?
 

cbgreen

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it will significantly increase finish weight of buds and raise resin content particularly in soil. i have grown the same clone with and without a carb source bud size and weight were better with the carb supplemented grow. healthy roots=healthy plant=good harvest weight. and as far as plants being able or unable to directly absorb sugars there is some debate depending who you ask or what you read. i see no reason why carb sources like deoxy ribose could not be directly used by the plant. in my grows carb sources seem are helpful overall and are cheap anyways.
you have any pictures of that? i haven't done any research myself, but i'm just about to, i saw you keep saying something about this non-complex sugar ribulose, is where i will start my search, i'll get back on that.
 

cbgreen

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it's a nice experiment, i'll give you that, but i don't think it's applicable to growing pot, unless u wanna combine the plant feeding through its roots with cutting every leaf tip and dipping it into a sugar solution. Feeding the solution through the stem wouldn't suffise and would most probably just dry the plant out. (my opinion from a quick spin in my head :) )
 

cbgreen

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damn, how do you find that stuff! Again, very educative lecture, but i'm not sure if i wanna try that.

http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/53/376/1929.pdf

Page 2-3 elaborates on the stem injection method, which seems quite easy to perform...anybody wanna give it a try?...please DO post your results if you do :)

So, to summarise, it's not at all improving the tomatoe plants when feeding them sugar through their leaves, unless they came from a dark environment which would have held them back. But no overall improvement when growing conditions are optimal anyway.

It does tell us sugar is greatly absorbed through the leaves. Cannabis isn't a tomatoe! So if anyone has any pictures of identical clones being fed normally, and being fed sugar -either through foliar feeding or by being added with a nute solution fed to the roots, or both- , please do post them, it will be greatly appreciated, and it will clear confusion because many people make many statements, i would just like to see someone backup their statement.

You can always try to put a cannabis seed and a melon seed together and spray it with some plutonium to get those melon sized buds, it worked for homer simpson.

peace out
 

plantman969

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damn, how do you find that stuff! Again, very educative lecture, but i'm not sure if i wanna try that.

http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/53/376/1929.pdf

Page 2-3 elaborates on the stem injection method, which seems quite easy to perform...anybody wanna give it a try?...please DO post your results if you do :)

So, to summarise, it's not at all improving the tomatoe plants when feeding them sugar through their leaves, unless they came from a dark environment which would have held them back. But no overall improvement when growing conditions are optimal anyway.

It does tell us sugar is greatly absorbed through the leaves. Cannabis isn't a tomatoe! So if anyone has any pictures of identical clones being fed normally, and being fed sugar -either through foliar feeding or by being added with a nute solution fed to the roots, or both- , please do post them, it will be greatly appreciated, and it will clear confusion because many people make many statements, i would just like to see someone backup their statement.

You can always try to put a cannabis seed and a melon seed together and spray it with some plutonium to get those melon sized buds, it worked for homer simpson.

peace out
I continue to use Botanicare Sweet and Roots Organic Trinity (molassis) as my foilar spray with a touch of Prozyme. Spraing the sugars directly on the tops and bottoms of the leafs. Seems to be doing good
 

Whatever1987

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i would read the label closely... too much sodium would be deadly, and you certainly want unsulphured molasses. i use plain ol original grandma's molasses. it sells for around $3 a jar

ive never heard of grape molasses tho, is it homemade?

Store bought, the reason I ask is because I live in Norway and can't find regular molasses anywhere here, i found them on the web for like 4-5usd but shipping is 40-50usd :cry: so i figured it's not worth it.

Another alternative for me is maple syrup which i have read that some people use.
 

cbgreen

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so everyone is all going on about how sugar feeding is so incredible and helps a lot, but NO ONE has any pictures, how's that for credibility!
 

Uncle Ben

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so everyone is all going on about how sugar feeding is so incredible and helps a lot, but NO ONE has any pictures, how's that for credibility!
The only true "gimmick" that is failproof is a robust root system and a massive amount of healthy green foliage up to harvest.

UB
 

bushmang

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Technaflora Sugar Daddy is this the same thing as sugar and molasses? doese this product work for hydro nft systems?

thanks
 
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