Volcanic eruptions might be responsible for the warming hiatus

desert dude

desert dude

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NLXSK1 said:
Are you familiar with scientific theory? To properly test something using the method, you need to establish a baseline. That way you can prove a cause and effect reaction that is provable and repeatable. It is how you create a theory from a hypothesis.

Now, given that fact. How can one possibly establish a baseline for weather that is constantly changing in a solar system that is constantly changing in a universe that is constantly changing???

We need to learn how to adapt and be more flexible in less hospitable climates. It is the only way to ensure the future of the human race. This whole global warming fiasco is an attempted cash grab into a slush fund for bribing world leaders and dipping into by crooked politicians. It should be shit canned as fast as possible.
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I certainly agree with that!

I have no objection to limiting emissions as much as possible, but I sure as fuck don't trust what a bunch of bloated, self-interested politicians are trying to herd us into.

Fuck consensus. Show me a model that comports with observations.
 
abandonconflict

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desert dude said:
What is it that these MIT scientists are trying to explain then? I mean, why would they bother to write a paper explaining a discrepancy between predicted temperatures and observed temperatures, if there is no such discrepancy? You are asserting that these scientists are either lying or that they don't know the temperature data. That sounds to me a lot like "denying the science", not to mention the observed facts.

"In fact, the effect of such volcanic activity may help to explain why the pace of warming has decreased in recent years and fallen short of matching the level predicted by the amount of carbon going into the atmosphere."
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You're truly as dumb as I have always thought you were. The pace of warming has decreased, but the temperature has continued to increase. The predictions were based on the observable rate of increase.

Let me go real slow for you.

It
Are
Still
being
get
hotter
 
desert dude

desert dude

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King Arthur said:
I am still wondering if it isn't hotter than last year then why do we still not have any snow at lake level? Hmmm.... hottest year on record and we still got people denying that there is anything going on.

Just business as usual guys carry on, the only thing in this thread is a big pile of turd turd.
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Lack of snow in your back yard is weather, not climate. Nobody is saying there is nothing going on. Politicians are basing their prescriptions to fix a problem (global warming) on the reliability of a climate model that is wrong in its predictions. The fact that the model is wrong means the scientists don't correctly understand the system they are modeling. That is no way to set economic policies.
 
UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
Nobody is saying there is nothing going on.
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completely false.

members of this forum and congress call AGW a conspiracy you lying sack of shit.

desert dude said:
Politicians are basing their prescriptions to fix a problem (global warming) on the reliability of a climate model that is wrong in its predictions. The fact that the model is wrong means the scientists don't correctly understand the system they are modeling. That is no way to set economic policies.
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completely false.

see all the models versus observations i posted already, spamtard.
 
abandonconflict

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desert dude said:
Or not.

Climate changes. It has always been so.

Mad adapts, or dies. It has always been so.
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Oh really, you know of climate scientists who doubt the theory? You shouldn't say that nobody is claiming nothing is going wrong then, since you just did. Also, you ought to notify NASA that their whole climate model is bullshit.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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abandonconflict said:
Oh really, you know of climate scientists who doubt the theory? You shouldn't say that nobody is claiming nothing is going wrong then, since you just did. Also, you ought to notify NASA that their whole climate model is bullshit.
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Here is one. His stated position, below, reflects my own opinion regarding public policy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/05/29/global-warming-alarmism-when-science-is-fiction/
Theon also testified that: “My own belief concerning anthropogenic [man-made] climate change is that models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit”. He observed: ”Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modeled in the observations, nor explain how they did it…this is contrary to the way science should be done.” He then went on to say “Thus, there is no rational justification for using climate model forecasts to determine public policy”.

John S. Theon, retired chief of NASA’s Climate Processes Research Program
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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desert dude said:
Here is one. His stated position, below, reflects my own opinion regarding public policy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/05/29/global-warming-alarmism-when-science-is-fiction/
Theon also testified that: “My own belief concerning anthropogenic [man-made] climate change is that models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit”. He observed: ”Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modeled in the observations, nor explain how they did it…this is contrary to the way science should be done.” He then went on to say “Thus, there is no rational justification for using climate model forecasts to determine public policy”.

John S. Theon, retired chief of NASA’s Climate Processes Research Program
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http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/07/21/forbes-runs-false-quote-in-attack-on-climate-da/182929
Forbes Runs False Quote In Attack On Climate Data

A Forbes column falsely attributed to climate scientist Phil Jones a quote that appears to have been written by conservative commentator Steven Hayward. The Forbes column also attempts to undermine global surface temperature records with several other misleading claims.
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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
Here is one. His stated position, below, reflects my own opinion regarding public policy.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/05/29/global-warming-alarmism-when-science-is-fiction/
Theon also testified that: “My own belief concerning anthropogenic [man-made] climate change is that models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit”. He observed: ”Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modeled in the observations, nor explain how they did it…this is contrary to the way science should be done.” He then went on to say “Thus, there is no rational justification for using climate model forecasts to determine public policy”.

John S. Theon, retired chief of NASA’s Climate Processes Research Program
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you're citing a heartland institute stooge.

http://heartland.org/john-theon

the heartland institute is funded by exxonmobil. they used to be funded by tobacco companies when denial about tobacco's harm was all the rage.

you are seriously dumb as shit.
 
desert dude

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Global cooling, with lots of cool graphs and big words. The guy who wrote is a syintist!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

The Pacific Ocean has a warm temperature mode and a cool temperature mode, and in the past century, has switched back forth between these two modes every 25-30 years (known as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation or PDO). In 1977 the Pacific abruptly shifted from its cool mode (where it had been since about 1945) into its warm mode, and this initiated global warming from 1977 to 1998. The correlation between the PDO and global climate is well established. The announcement by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) had shifted to its cool phase is right on schedule as predicted by past climate and PDO changes (Easterbrook, 2001, 2006, 2007). The PDO typically lasts 25-30 years and assures North America of cool, wetter climates during its cool phases and warmer, drier climates during its warm phases. The establishment of the cool PDO, together with similar cooling of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), virtually assures several decades of global cooling and the end of the past 30-year warm phase.

 
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UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
Global cooling, with lots of cool graphs and big words. The guy who wrote is a syintist!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

The Pacific Ocean has a warm temperature mode and a cool temperature mode, and in the past century, has switched back forth between these two modes every 25-30 years (known as the Pacific Decadal Oscillation or PDO). In 1977 the Pacific abruptly shifted from its cool mode (where it had been since about 1945) into its warm mode, and this initiated global warming from 1977 to 1998. The correlation between the PDO and global climate is well established. The announcement by NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) had shifted to its cool phase is right on schedule as predicted by past climate and PDO changes (Easterbrook, 2001, 2006, 2007). The PDO typically lasts 25-30 years and assures North America of cool, wetter climates during its cool phases and warmer, drier climates during its warm phases. The establishment of the cool PDO, together with similar cooling of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), virtually assures several decades of global cooling and the end of the past 30-year warm phase.
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also works for the heartland institute.

http://climateconferences.heartland.org/don-easterbrook-iccc9-panel-19/
 
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