What Is the Average? (Grams Per Watt)

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OpSec420

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brianbertz said:
its cool dude. i have plenty of douche bag moments of my own lol. but uh ya im really interested in doubleds vertical grow. are there pics in that journal or did he start the actual grow yet or is it in a different thread? i skipped a few pages but i went through most and couldnt find pics of plants or harvest or anything about any plants actually growing.
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Well heres some pics of one of his grows, can't miss the vertical lights: http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/photoplog/index.php?n=17057

Doubled is really one of the pioneers in this field (kinda like hobbes). Will dig up more from doubled soon.
 
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Wolverine97 said:
It depends on the setup and how tall you're growing the plants really. If you're growing trees, you'd want overhead horizontal plus vertical bare bulbs just above the plants waistline so to speak. There are some threads here and on ICmag that have very detailed pics. One that I remember vividly was a guy pulling 2+ lbs per plant.
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damn. 2lbs per plant would be nice. although i can only veg for 4 weeks cuz im gonna be haveing a perpetual harvest every 4 weeks. i will have 2 flower rooms a veg room and a clone room. hopefully i can at least pull close to 2lbs per light.
 
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hoagtech said:
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I dont think you know what a vertical grow means...

A vertical grow is when you put numerous small plants on top of each other and place them around a vertical bulb

Its not a grow using a vertical bulb. And vertical bulbs output more lumens than horixontal but your plants are not directly underneath the arc in a vertical bulb so its debatable.

"Vertical grows" do yeild more but its a painstaking process if you try and create 300 clones and stack them on top of each other. It would be economical and easier if you started it from many many seeds, but the price of buying 300 seeds or vegging 3 different mother plants under 3 400w mh lights, not to mention the hours of making it work, makes me shy away from it.

heres a shitty drawing of the principles of a "vertical grow" its not just vertical bulbs over plants..
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I really want to make a thread dedicated to vertical theory and practice, cause this might be getting a little off-topic. The pic with the steps...imagine those steps from a top down view being configured into a complete circle. Imagine the lights positioned so that there are three: the bottom tip of each bulb being parrallel exactly with the mid point of the average height of the plants on each stair, three vertical 1000watt hps with premium conversion mh bulbs, and the the lights being on a mover so each light (from a top down veiw) would look like the points on a triangle. Maximum top and side lighting and penetration could be achieved by this lighting configuration, provided the plants were rotated from bottom to second to top step. THAT is my end goal for a grow room and with each piece in place, I believe maximum results could be achieved.

IMO the combination of vertical growing, light movers, light diffusion, and home made airpots is the future of soil grows. Replace the airpots with doubleds mps dwc system and the same goes for hydro.

btw in terms of general horticultural, this is what is being done on an industrial scale:
http://www.omegagarden.com/index.php?content_id=1521
 
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I got to see a grow that had a coliseum around 3,000 watts. It was so big that none of the left over space in the room was usable to grow, so it just came down to the 3k watts. I think the coliseum held 350 plants. It also looked like it would be impossible to clean out the inside of most of it. I like to clean all my equipment once a month. Look at the res on one. It goes all the way around the base and only has a small port hole or two. How do you clean out the inside of something like that? The coliseum looked like a maintenance nightmare and the guy only had it for a month and a half before he had a falling out with his partner and had to shut down, so I never got to see how it would have worked long term.


Wolverine97 said:
There is a big movement toward vertical growing lately. With proper setup, plant spacing, light placement etc it can be a phenomenal way to grow. This is done using no reflectors whatsoever, virtually no light is wasted or reflected. It's a good way to grow if you have the space.
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Goldowitz said:
I got to see a grow that had a coliseum around 3,000 watts. It was so big that none of the left over space in the room was usable to grow, so it just came down to the 3k watts. I think the coliseum held 350 plants. It also looked like it would be impossible to clean out the inside of most of it. I like to clean all my equipment once a month. Look at the res on one. It goes all the way around the base and only has a small port hole or two. How do you clean out the inside of something like that? The coliseum looked like a maintenance nightmare and the guy only had it for a month and a half before he had a falling out with his partner and had to shut down, so I never got to see how it would have worked long term.
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Yeah, I don't like the coliseum setup at all. If I were setting it up I'd be using ten gallon smart pots with careful light placement for the verticals and some horizontal canopy lighting as well. You'd never have to rotate anything since all parts of the plants would be receiving ideal lighting. I like the concept, but I don't currently have enough ceiling height to do it properly. I think you need at least 9' ceilings for a good setup.
 
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hoagtech said:
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I dont think you know what a vertical grow means...

A vertical grow is when you put numerous small plants on top of each other and place them around a vertical bulb

Its not a grow using a vertical bulb. And vertical bulbs output more lumens than horixontal but your plants are not directly underneath the arc in a vertical bulb so its debatable.

"Vertical grows" do yeild more but its a painstaking process if you try and create 300 clones and stack them on top of each other. It would be economical and easier if you started it from many many seeds, but the price of buying 300 seeds or vegging 3 different mother plants under 3 400w mh lights, not to mention the hours of making it work, makes me shy away from it.

heres a shitty drawing of the principles of a "vertical grow" its not just vertical bulbs over plants..
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I dont think you know what a vertical grow means?

A Vert grow is hangin a bulb vert and surrounding it with plants, you have the socket at the top cola.

You can have only a couple plants per light if you want, or more lights than plants, you dont need to stack hundreds of little plants on top of each other.

I like 3-4 bushes around each 1000 watt, lollipop and clean out popcorn growth and it kicks ass.
 
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fletchman said:
Heath Robinson taught DoubleD everything he knows.
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Thanks for the heads up. https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/149998-heaths-flooded-tube-vertical.html

Would be interesting to do a kind of documentary/ebook on the 'lineage' of mj cultivation and its pioneers, from the old school guys up to this day.

btw for anyone that is interested, here is a bit more on vertical growing:
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/263751-vertical-growing-42.html
 
Wolverine97

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fletchman said:
I dont think you know what a vertical grow means?

A Vert grow is hangin a bulb vert and surrounding it with plants, you have the socket at the top cola.

You can have only a couple plants per light if you want, or more lights than plants, you dont need to stack hundreds of little plants on top of each other.

I like 3-4 bushes around each 1000 watt, lollipop and clean out popcorn growth and it kicks ass.
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you're both right. There are many different ways of setting up a vertical grow.
 
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yeap, this thread is drifted away a little, sorry..but my vertical closet grow is on its start of third week, 6 plants, all around a 400 watter !, it is not cool tubed, i have a nice fan below it so i do not lose any light effectiveness and i still keep them pretty close and thigh all around ! will report here at the end of my harvest, should be on the 10-11 week of flower..will see





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Wolverine97

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brianbertz said:
im hopeing to get near that number for my current grow. i should since im growing big bud. im also doing a small comparison between dutch master and advanced nutes. should be interesting.
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I just finished weighing my last dry plants today, and I finished with 1028 grams dry and cured.
 
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Wolverine97 said:
I just finished weighing my last dry plants today, and I finished with 1028 grams dry and cured.
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off of a single 1000 watt? damn! i have confidence i should get a pretty good harvest on my grow. but damn over 1 gram per watt would be nice. how many plants and what strain if you didnt say before?
 
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