What Is the Average? (Grams Per Watt)

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brianbertz

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yap, i agree, cas that is one hell of a statement !!! :lol:
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whats that mean? vertical is not better than horizontal growing. it is less efficient period. plenty of expert growers would agree. ever watch jorge cervantes ultimate grow? he says the same thing
 
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OpSec420

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brianbertz said:
whats that mean? vertical is not better than horizontal growing. it is less efficient period. plenty of expert growers would agree. ever watch jorge cervantes ultimate grow? he says the same thing
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If you do not know or are too lazy to type out the reasons behind a statement that "plenty of expert growers" make, you really should not post it. Kinda got an obligation to not be a parrot. Unless you like being a parrot. I dunno. If you don't know the 'why' behind something than there is no reason to believe it. Expert: "weed should be illegal because it is bad". Parrot: "Well the expert says its bad so it must be bad".
 
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brianbertz

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lets see here is one..... The Horizontal Reflectors are the most popular option because they are more efficient than the vertical systems. When the bulb is mounted horizontally, most of the light is going to the plants without being reflected. When the light is reflected, some intensity is lost.

and here is another...... Horizontal reflectors are the most efficient and the best value for frugal gardeners. A horizontal lamp yields up to 40 percent more light than a lamp burning in a vertical position. Light is emitted from the arc tube. When horizontal, half of this light is directed downward to the plants. Only half of the light needs to be reflected. Horizontal reflectors are inherently more efficient than vertical lamps/reflectors because half of the light is direct and only half of the light must be reflected. kind of says the same thing twice but whatever.

something on horizontal......
Horizontal reflectors are much more efficient than vertical reflectors, and generally more expensive. Most growers use horizontal reflectors, as the cost of a more expensive reflector is offset by the savings of burning fewer lights to generate the same light intensity at plant level.
Horizontal reflectors are available in a variety of shapes, most of which are roughly trapezoid shaped, although bat-wing or gull-wing designs are also relatively common.
and vertical....
Vertical reflectors are generally less practical than horizontal reflectors, as they are less efficient, although they are usually also less expensive. When a bulb is burned in a vertical position, most of the light is emitted sideways, and must be reflected downward towards the plant, which increases the distance that the light must travel.
Vertical reflectors are available in cone and parabolic dome shapes. Cone shaped reflectors are very inexpensive but also very inefficient, and are generally not used. If a vertical reflector is used, it is generally of the parabolic dome variety.
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you get the picture. pretty sure you all should know this already which you obviously didnt cuz it wouldnt make sense to talk shit to someone for commenting on something when they are right. dumb asses.
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GreenThumbBill

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Pot growers are like fisherman. 1 gram a watt. Haha, I'll believe it when I see it. Until then file it in the same place as spanish fly and the female g spot
 
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OpSec420

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brianbertz said:
you are just stupid so i dont really need to say shit to you. ur talking shit when you have 10 posts and have only been on this site for 1 month ya fucking fag. go on some other forum and call soemone a parrot stranger. o ya can you explain why vertical is better?? i doubt it!
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Can always tell your right when the best the person you are arguing with can do is get mad and call names. I'm not talking shit. It is simple logic: No statement is worth more than the reasoning and facts behind the statement. You failed to provide the reasoning behind your statements so it appears you are just repeating (parroting) what someone else has said.

There is a real simple thing called logical argument. It means it is on the person refuting an argument to prove why the argument is wrong. That means when I say that vertical might be better, it is on you to prove that vertical cannot be better. I am just calling out what your saying. Like I said, I wanna learn.

Smoke a nice fat bowl and chill.
 
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OpSec420

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brianbertz said:
lets see here is one..... The Horizontal Reflectors are the most popular option because they are more efficient than the vertical systems. When the bulb is mounted horizontally, most of the light is going to the plants without being reflected. When the light is reflected, some intensity is lost.

and here is another...... Horizontal reflectors are the most efficient and the best value for frugal gardeners. A horizontal lamp yields up to 40 percent more light than a lamp burning in a vertical position. Light is emitted from the arc tube. When horizontal, half of this light is directed downward to the plants. Only half of the light needs to be reflected. Horizontal reflectors are inherently more efficient than vertical lamps/reflectors because half of the light is direct and only half of the light must be reflected. kind of says the same thing twice but whatever.

something on horizontal......
Horizontal reflectors are much more efficient than vertical reflectors, and generally more expensive. Most growers use horizontal reflectors, as the cost of a more expensive reflector is offset by the savings of burning fewer lights to generate the same light intensity at plant level.
Horizontal reflectors are available in a variety of shapes, most of which are roughly trapezoid shaped, although bat-wing or gull-wing designs are also relatively common.
and vertical....
Vertical reflectors are generally less practical than horizontal reflectors, as they are less efficient, although they are usually also less expensive. When a bulb is burned in a vertical position, most of the light is emitted sideways, and must be reflected downward towards the plant, which increases the distance that the light must travel.
Vertical reflectors are available in cone and parabolic dome shapes. Cone shaped reflectors are very inexpensive but also very inefficient, and are generally not used. If a vertical reflector is used, it is generally of the parabolic dome variety.
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you get the picture. pretty sure you all should know this already which you obviously didnt cuz it wouldnt make sense to talk shit to someone for commenting on something when they are right. dumb asses.
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Copying and pasting is the same as parroting. Pauly wanna cracker? Think for yourself. As has already been said, the plants can be arrayed in a circle around the vertical light, so all of the light is being used. But you don't wanna hear that. You wanna post absolute definitive statements like, "vertical is less efficient period" and not be questioned about the logic behind the statement. Then when you are questioned about your logic you get all defensive and copy and paste the same crap everyone has read a million times before. That kind "I am the authority don't question me!" attitude coupled with the absurdly hostile over-reaction and the fact that you obviously simply either repeat what others say or copy and paste from shit you googled all adds up to not cool in any way shape or form.

btw heres a grow journal using verticals
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=563136

Go ahead and explain to them how doubled is such a douchebag for getting 2.5 grams a watt using his VERTICAL method.
 
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brianbertz

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OpSec420 said:
Copying and pasting is the same as parroting. Pauly wanna cracker? Think for yourself. As has already been said, the plants can be arrayed in a circle around the vertical light, so all of the light is being used. But you don't wanna hear that. You wanna post absolute definitive statements like, "vertical is less efficient period" and not be questioned about the logic behind the statement. Then when you are questioned about your logic you get all defensive and copy and paste the same crap everyone has read a million times before. That kind "I am the authority don't question me!" attitude coupled with the absurdly hostile over-reaction and the fact that you obviously simply either repeat what others say or copy and paste from shit you googled all adds up to not cool in any way shape or form.

btw heres a grow journal using verticals
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=563136

Go ahead and explain to them how doubled is such a douchebag for getting 2.5 grams a watt using his VERTICAL method.
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first of all im done arguing. ya you can say im defensive or whatever. i was just saying and everybody at every garden supply and hydro store has told me the same thing but it doesnt matter cuz im done with the subject. but when people like to be smart asses and post smart ass or cocky comments, not neccesarily you, im gonna say something. thats how i am. especially when someone calls me a parrot or even worse a troll cuz that word is the most annoying nerdy f ing word ever. its stupid. who the hell calls someone a troll besides someone who has no life except for on the internet. but as far as that grow journal from thcfarmer.com i dont see anything on there about 2.5 grams per watt. all i see is people talking about the dudes setup but no pics or anything useful. do you have to be a member to see pics and stuff or what? it looks interesting but i went through almost every page and didnt see anything. but ya. IM DONE ON THIS SUBJECT. so no more arguing or whatever my opinion is my opinion yours is yours and same for everybody else. we will leave it at that. sorry to you and everybody else for the not so nice comments i left but i tend to get a little hot headed. but ya let me know about the 2.5 grams per watt thing. i wanna see that. i might sign up and see if i can find anything
 
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Wolverine97

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There is a big movement toward vertical growing lately. With proper setup, plant spacing, light placement etc it can be a phenomenal way to grow. This is done using no reflectors whatsoever, virtually no light is wasted or reflected. It's a good way to grow if you have the space.
 
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brianbertz said:
lets see here is one..... The Horizontal Reflectors are the most popular option because they are more efficient than the vertical systems. When the bulb is mounted horizontally, most of the light is going to the plants without being reflected. When the light is reflected, some intensity is lost.

and here is another...... Horizontal reflectors are the most efficient and the best value for frugal gardeners. A horizontal lamp yields up to 40 percent more light than a lamp burning in a vertical position. Light is emitted from the arc tube. When horizontal, half of this light is directed downward to the plants. Only half of the light needs to be reflected. Horizontal reflectors are inherently more efficient than vertical lamps/reflectors because half of the light is direct and only half of the light must be reflected. kind of says the same thing twice but whatever.

something on horizontal......
Horizontal reflectors are much more efficient than vertical reflectors, and generally more expensive. Most growers use horizontal reflectors, as the cost of a more expensive reflector is offset by the savings of burning fewer lights to generate the same light intensity at plant level.
Horizontal reflectors are available in a variety of shapes, most of which are roughly trapezoid shaped, although bat-wing or gull-wing designs are also relatively common.
and vertical....
Vertical reflectors are generally less practical than horizontal reflectors, as they are less efficient, although they are usually also less expensive. When a bulb is burned in a vertical position, most of the light is emitted sideways, and must be reflected downward towards the plant, which increases the distance that the light must travel.
Vertical reflectors are available in cone and parabolic dome shapes. Cone shaped reflectors are very inexpensive but also very inefficient, and are generally not used. If a vertical reflector is used, it is generally of the parabolic dome variety.
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you get the picture. pretty sure you all should know this already which you obviously didnt cuz it wouldnt make sense to talk shit to someone for commenting on something when they are right. dumb asses.
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I dont think you know what a vertical grow means...

A vertical grow is when you put numerous small plants on top of each other and place them around a vertical bulb

Its not a grow using a vertical bulb. And vertical bulbs output more lumens than horixontal but your plants are not directly underneath the arc in a vertical bulb so its debatable.

"Vertical grows" do yeild more but its a painstaking process if you try and create 300 clones and stack them on top of each other. It would be economical and easier if you started it from many many seeds, but the price of buying 300 seeds or vegging 3 different mother plants under 3 400w mh lights, not to mention the hours of making it work, makes me shy away from it.

heres a shitty drawing of the principles of a "vertical grow" its not just vertical bulbs over plants..
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OpSec420

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brianbertz said:
first of all im done arguing. ya you can say im defensive or whatever. i was just saying and everybody at every garden supply and hydro store has told me the same thing but it doesnt matter cuz im done with the subject. but when people like to be smart asses and post smart ass or cocky comments, not neccesarily you, im gonna say something. thats how i am. especially when someone calls me a parrot or even worse a troll cuz that word is the most annoying nerdy f ing word ever. its stupid. who the hell calls someone a troll besides someone who has no life except for on the internet. but as far as that grow journal from thcfarmer.com i dont see anything on there about 2.5 grams per watt. all i see is people talking about the dudes setup but no pics or anything useful. do you have to be a member to see pics and stuff or what? it looks interesting but i went through almost every page and didnt see anything. but ya. IM DONE ON THIS SUBJECT. so no more arguing or whatever my opinion is my opinion yours is yours and same for everybody else. we will leave it at that. sorry to you and everybody else for the not so nice comments i left but i tend to get a little hot headed. but ya let me know about the 2.5 grams per watt thing. i wanna see that. i might sign up and see if i can find anything
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Its cool on my end, sorry if I was being a bit of a douche bag. I had a brain storm (brain fart? ;) ) after responding to your post. I am thinking this shit is much like politics. Like a person starts with an open view of things with a mind towards learning and correlating the best solutions for things. The best way to do things. Then people start hearing the same shit from the same people too much and they become a rigid true believer in a certain system and agressively defend that system against any argument, reasonable or not. I'm not saying that rigid true believer is you (or me), just that it serves our purposes to be open minded and not follow the well worn roads of ideological fucking retardedness. Esp here. :)

Gotta dig in to find all of doubleds work.
 
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brianbertz

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Wolverine97 said:
There is a big movement toward vertical growing lately. With proper setup, plant spacing, light placement etc it can be a phenomenal way to grow. This is done using no reflectors whatsoever, virtually no light is wasted or reflected. It's a good way to grow if you have the space.
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so what are you talking like hanging the light at canopy level or below canopy level? ive never grown vertical ive just talked to alot of people asking about it cuz my friend wanted me to try it but i didnt think it was worth it. what kind of space would you be talking about?
 
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brianbertz

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OpSec420 said:
Its cool on my end, sorry if I was being a bit of a douche bag. I had a brain storm (brain fart? ;) ) after responding to your post. I am thinking this shit is much like politics. Like a person starts with an open view of things with a mind towards learning and correlating the best solutions for things. The best way to do things. Then people start hearing the same shit from the same people too much and they become a rigid true believer in a certain system and agressively defend that system against any argument, reasonable or not. I'm not saying that rigid true believer is you (or me), just that it serves our purposes to be open minded and not follow the well worn roads of ideological fucking retardedness. Esp here. :)

Gotta dig in to find all of doubleds work.
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its cool dude. i have plenty of douche bag moments of my own lol. but uh ya im really interested in doubleds vertical grow. are there pics in that journal or did he start the actual grow yet or is it in a different thread? i skipped a few pages but i went through most and couldnt find pics of plants or harvest or anything about any plants actually growing.
 
Wolverine97

Wolverine97

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brianbertz said:
so what are you talking like hanging the light at canopy level or below canopy level? ive never grown vertical ive just talked to alot of people asking about it cuz my friend wanted me to try it but i didnt think it was worth it. what kind of space would you be talking about?
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It depends on the setup and how tall you're growing the plants really. If you're growing trees, you'd want overhead horizontal plus vertical bare bulbs just above the plants waistline so to speak. There are some threads here and on ICmag that have very detailed pics. One that I remember vividly was a guy pulling 2+ lbs per plant.
 
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