Why do you newbs always grow auto's?

Trich_holmes said:

Well this is actually correct. Fem beans do have more herm tendencies, as you've either stressed them to the point of reversal, or done it chemically. This is passed down in the breeding process. This is the reason the majority if not all of the legit reputable breeders do not sell fems. I say majority because some contest certain companies whether they are reputable or not.

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Wrong. Period.

If treated with cs it can't pass it down. Please explain how a plant can pass down a chemical treatment.

You are just repeating rhetoric to.

The cannabis community is so full of myth it is unreal.

There is two way to make fem beans, one with colloidal silver and the other is to let a plant go over ripe and it will throw nanners in an effort to save itself.



No doubt there are breeders that sell FEMS that will herm. It is not due to them being fem though. It is from crappy or herm prone genetics to begin with.

A good breeder with good genetics will NOT cause herms.

I've grown a lot of fem beans. I do so for a good reason, as do others. Some people don't have the space to run a lot of plants.

Out of all the fem beans I've run I have yet to have to have any hermie on me. That is with pinhole light leaks, opening the doors at lights out, high temps and other stresses.

I research and buy from reputable breeders.

GuyLeDuche said:

Nice job buddy! That looks really good, was it the AxT?

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Thanks, and nope, not the A x T. I couldnt get my hands on those, it was a freebie from GorrilaSeedBank. Never even tried one so i said fuck it an jammed it in the dirt. I dont even think they sell it, just negotiated it in a deal from what i heard from them because I obviously wanted more of them. My heisenburgs are in though, with a blimburn freebie too.

Trich_holmes said:

Just because you haven't had one doesn't make it false. It's a fact. Read up on it, nothing to debate here...

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That's funny.

You got three people telling you they have grown FEMS for years and your response is read up on it.


That is the problem. People repeat what they read as fact when they never even tried it.


You are making the claim so prove it. Cite one study that says that fem beans are herm prone.

Why are fem beans so popular if they are all shitty herms?

whitebb2727 said:

Wrong. Period.

If treated with cs it can't pass it down. Please explain how a plant can pass down a chemical treatment.

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I'd say messing with the hormones of a plant while making it produce seeds can definitely pass down changes in dna to the offspring. Not that i am against fem seeds just saying you can't spray on shit to a plant that changes what it does and say the strain as a whole will not have any effects because of what happened to mommy. Just like crack babies.

jacrispy said:

fucking nice

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Thanks man. If i could make every plant look just like that i would. Everything about that specimen was just how id want it. Size, weight, appearance, ease of trim, bud to leaf ratio, potency, speed of finish. I cant say enough good things about it. Probably the most fun plant ive ever grown too.

CrocodileStunter said:

I'd say messing with the hormones of a plant while making it produce seeds can definitely pass down changes in dna to the offspring. Not that i am against fem seeds just saying you can't spray on shit to a plant that changes what it does and say the strain as a whole will not have any effects because of what happened to mommy. Just like crack babies.

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No it can't.

Please explain how it can. All you get is two x chromosomes so it will be female.

There is no way to pass any of the chemical or hormone to the offspring.

A woman smoking crack while pregnant is what does that. Totally different than treating a plant.

I suppose rooting hormone will effect them to? It doesn't.

whitebb2727 said:

No it can't.

Please explain how it can. All you get is two x chromosomes so it will be female.

There is no way to pass any of the chemical or hormone to the offspring.

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bro it already makes the vast majority of seeds female it obviously has effects on the offspring. Even stevie wonder could see that.

Trich_holmes said:

Hence, you don't breed with a hermie....fems are made so you can have a version of a strain you really like, without much work. No breeders breed with fems for a reason. i ran tons of fems back in the day that didn't herm. Had lots that did. Same as regular seeds. Some are strain specific, some are from manipulation. Fems just have more of a tendency to do it, especially for people who are new and don't have their environment and feeding lock down.

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Can you remember any of the strains that hermied on you?

Its not the fem process.

If you use a strain that is prone to herm it will do so when stressed no matter if it is a regular or fem.

CrocodileStunter said:

bro it already makes the vast majority of seeds female it obviously has effects on the offspring. Even stevie wonder could see that.

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All it does is cause the plant to produce pollen. It in no way changes or damages the DNA.

You are not passing anything along or damaging the genes.
Show me one article that states that using cs damages or alters the DNA.

I chose auto seeds for my first grow because from my research I wanted something easy and with less maintenance so I could observe more than anything else. I've seen other noobs messing with dwc, the different nutes etc but I used a simple (not mg) potting soil and some 4-4-4. Now I know what I want to do for my first photo grow, medium and nutes.

whitebb2727 said:

All it does is cause the plant to produce pollen. It in no way changes or damages the DNA.

You are not passing anything along or damaging the genes.
Show me one article that states that using cs damages or alters the DNA.

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How can changing the plants dna to cause it to jizz all over not be an alteration of the dna? http://ispub.com/IJNT/2/2/7357

The treated root samples exhibited increase in the frequency of chromosomal aberrations and decrease in mitotic index. This is statistically significant at P<0.05 and P<0.001 levels. These abnormalities were observed in a dose and duration dependent manner. The treated meristem cells showed various types of chromosomal and mitotic abnormalities such as fragments, C-metaphase, stickiness, laggard, anaphasic bridge and disturbed anaphase. The present investigation reveals that the nano-silver may cause potential damage to the genetic material and therefore the use of nano-silver in consumer products warrants a detail toxicological investigation to justify its safety.

I've been sitting here reading some articles on fem seeds.

It seems that in the past breeders were using light leaks and other stresses to make fem seeds. That is where the Hermie prone FEMS come from.

This is from sensi seeds. It states 10 interesting things about fem beans. One is that it didn't start with cannabis and has been used in other agricultural practices.

It also states that fem beans are not genetically modified.
https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/10-interesting-facts-about-feminized-cannabis-seeds/

Most articles I've read are right in line with this one.

.ODanksta. said:

Regular beans have less of a chance of going hermie than fems.

Out of the thousands of reg beans I've popped I've never once had a herime. But about 70% of fem went hermie on me..

That's common knowledge in the community

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You are doing something really wrong, or extremely unlucky to get a 70% failure rate on fems. I grow a lot of plants, like 27 in a perpetual right now, and in the last five years, growing all female seed, I got 2 hermies and 6 males out of hundreds of plants. I guess I'm lucky. Oh, by the way I also think autos are not really as good as a reg, simply because they take on average 6 more hours of light, which means a lot of money if you run high wattage lights. I really think of them as a stepping stone plant, when you got your shit together, you won't want to use them I don't think autos are the way to go to get high yields, plus the strains available don't match up to reg or fem strains. But to each their own, as the saying goes.

CrocodileStunter said:

How can changing the plants dna to cause it to jizz all over not be an alteration of the dna? http://ispub.com/IJNT/2/2/7357

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I'm done arguing with this guy. I'm certainly no geneticist but I feel the same about altering a plant to convert female flowers to make pollen sacs with no Y chromosome. Seems odd as well that the majority of companies don't sell fem beans, and when asked they state the same. I mean if there is a market for fems, which there obviously is, then why aren't they doing it? I looked for fems for a buddy the other day, and had to really look unless I wanted some old Dutch beans...no thanks

CrocodileStunter said:

How can changing the plants dna to cause it to jizz all over not be an alteration of the dna? http://ispub.com/IJNT/2/2/7357

The treated root samples exhibited increase in the frequency of chromosomal aberrations and decrease in mitotic index. This is statistically significant at P<0.05 and P<0.001 levels. These abnormalities were observed in a dose and duration dependent manner. The treated meristem cells showed various types of chromosomal and mitotic abnormalities such as fragments, C-metaphase, stickiness, laggard, anaphasic bridge and disturbed anaphase. The present investigation reveals that the nano-silver may cause potential damage to the genetic material and therefore the use of nano-silver in consumer products warrants a detail toxicological investigation to justify its safety.

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Lol. Really.

Dude that is looking at nano silver for personal care and they used it on bulb flowers.

Seriously, show a study that says that cs or ga cause genetic damage or Herm's.

You are reaching for straws.

Trich_holmes said:

I'm done arguing with this guy. I'm certainly no geneticist but I feel the same about altering a plant to convert female flowers to make pollen sacs with no Y chromosome. Seems odd as well that the majority of companies don't sell fem beans, and when asked they state the same. I mean if there is a market for fems, which there obviously is, then why aren't they doing it? I looked for fems for a buddy the other day, and had to really look unless I wanted some old Dutch beans...no thanks

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More companies sell FEMS than ones that don't. Most have jumped on the band wagon. If you looked and couldn't find FEMS except an old dutch company then something is wrong.

Years ago if you had herms it is because of their method. They used stress in the past instead of cs or ga.

You got several people that have grown 100's of FEMS and no herm issues or only one or two.

You can't back your claim up that is why you are done.

It is a baseless claim that is just myth.

If it does cause herms cite it. You can't.

I'll keep on growing FEMS with no Hermie's like I've been doing.

How about this. Do you have any pics of the herms? Can you name them?

whitebb2727 said:

Lol. Really.

Dude that is looking at nano silver for personal care and they used it on bulb flowers.

Seriously, show a study that says that cs or ga cause genetic damage or Herm's.

You are reaching for straws.

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colloidial silver is nano silver. fuck outta here you're listening to sources trying to sell you things I'm putting up real scientific links. I don't really care anyway go ahead and grow whatever I'm sure it will be just fine.

Just last run I had 3 CC Tahoe's that went crazy, one blew up full on male style. I had a 10 pack of Barneys farm bout 7 years ago that 4 went full on herm. Have had others here and there. As I said before I never said all fems are herms otherwise why the hell would I bother. Hell reg seed have an ability to herm, its inherent in the plants genes. I've been doing this over 10 years pal, so your high and mighty attitude won't get you far. keep growing your fems. I do as well on occasion. Like I said before there's a ton of documented conversations with this that are long and drawn out. And reading arguments on here I don't think is any definitive either as I have yet to see any geneticist chime in. Until then we'll agree to disagree.

.ODanksta. said:

Yes the canopy is the top of the plant/plants. By having it as even as possible you increase your yields.

So this is the first flower room of my 4. Each flower room will have three 1000w bulbs. Which allows for a three week weaving stage for the trellis/scrog and 9 weeks of flower. We are hoping for 6 pounds ever three weeks.. At 2k a pound that's around 208,000 a year

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As far as the $200,000 a year, you better have some serious customers set up, because that is a stumbling block that a lot of growers forget about. You can grow all the shit you want, but to sell a LOT of herb, that ain't that easy. Is this a bootleg operation, or are you selling to dispensaries? It took me a LONG time to set my clientele up, to reach the point where I can dump 2 lbs a month, which is what I average now. Anyway, good luck with your operation, and stay safe.

For anyone confused about it here is a good article on the subject.

A fem plant is not a herm and will not cause it. If the seed does end up growing pollen it will produce more fem seeds.
http://www.coloradotopshelf.com/hermies.html