All I'm saying is I started this thread to ask a question, my question got answered and then it turned into a shit storm as the op if I knew how I would shut it down myself. It was a very eye opening thread and I heard a lot of very good yet very different opinions but it seems now to have run its course and turned into a constant battle that really has no end in sight. I cast my vote as shut her down we have a lot more important things to discuss than this imo