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Padawanbater2

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Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1 (1976), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States struck down several provisions in the 1974 Amendment to a law that limited campaign expenditures, independent expenditures by individuals and groups, and expenditures by a candidate from personal funds. It introduced the idea that money counts as speech, and eliminated any previous restraints on unlimited spending in US election campaigns. The Court upheld the provision which sets limits on individuals' campaign contributions.

First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, 435 U.S. 765 (1978 ), was a case, decided in 1978, in which the United States Supreme Court ruled 5–4 that corporations had a First Amendment right to make contributions in order to attempt to influence political processes. In his opinion, Justice Lewis Powell ruled that a Massachusetts criminal statute prohibiting the expenditure of corporate funds for "influencing or affecting" voters' opinions infringed on corporations' "protected speech in a manner unjustified by a compelling state interest" as he put it. It was heavily cited in the majority opinion of Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 310 (2010).

Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. (2010), (Docket No. 08-205), is a US constitutional law case, in which the United States Supreme Court held that the First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting political independent expenditures by corporations, associations, or labor unions. The conservative lobbying group Citizens United wanted to air a film critical of Hillary Clinton and to advertise the film during television broadcasts in apparent violation of the 2002 Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act (commonly known as the McCain–Feingold Act or "BCRA").[2] In a 5–4 decision, the Court held that portions of BCRA §203 violated the First Amendment.

McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, 572 U.S. (2014), was a campaign finance case before the United States Supreme Court challenging Section 441 of the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA), which instates the biennial aggregate limit that individuals can contribute to national party and federal candidate committees.

The case was argued before the Supreme Court on October 8, 2013, being brought on appeal after the United States District Court for the District of Columbia dismissed the challenge. It was decided on April 2, 2014,[3] reversing the decision below and remanding. Justices Roberts, Scalia, Kennedy, and Alito concluded that the First Amendment invalidates aggregate contribution limits, while Thomas decried all contribution limits.









So they designed the law in the 1970's to allow legal bribery of publicly elected officials, immediately after the rules were set the income inequality gap began to widen. It was reinforced with Citizens United in 2010 and again last week with McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission. Our Supreme Court is pretty clearly in favor of corporate America, as is evident by their voting records.

The only way to stop this bullshit from continuously happening is to enact an amendment to the constitution, get money out of politics

Right now, there is no such thing as Democracy in America. Our elections are fraudulent and bought and paid for by corporations with their own interests


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Harrekin

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Ban all Corporate donations.

Corporations are not people, whoever even imagined that concept is a fucking retard.

In my imaginary eutopian country, if Corporations want to make changes to the political landscape, they're staffed full of voters, CEO is probably a voter too and they should do it that way.

Does the first implicitly indicate people are allowed buy politicians?

If people with money are allowed use their money to make their voice louder, does it not minimise the influence and importance of the small guy's voice, thus unfairly effecting his first amendment right to lobby politicians?

Again, how does bribing politicians constitute first amendment protections?

Was the Supreme Court on Acid that day when a Desktop computer told them it wanted voting rights and that its first amendment rights were on the line?

Where has the centre gone from US politics?
 

heckler73

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Corporations are not people, whoever even imagined that concept is a fucking retard.
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If people with money are allowed use their money to make their voice louder, does it not minimise the influence and importance of the small guy's voice, thus unfairly effecting his first amendment right to lobby politicians?
Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

Wikipedia may be bad for citation purposes, but it should not be overlooked as a useful tool in research. It would appear the idea of Corporate Personhood dates back to 1819 in the US.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Imagine if there were no politicians. It's not very hard to do. ... Imagine all the people living life in peace.
 

Harrekin

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Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

Wikipedia may be bad for citation purposes, but it should not be overlooked as a useful tool in research. It would appear the idea of Corporate Personhood dates back to 1819 in the US.
Wow, I'm actually shocked at the logic the Supreme Court applied in making those judgements.

Associations of people arnt afforded voting rights, individuals are. Should the individuals associate and use their vote in blocs then its a different story, but the claim a Corporation is representative of its many parts is foolish.

And just because a corporation is a separate legal entity for the purposes of limited liability for its shareholders does NOT make it a "person".

Repeal that retarded shit, asap.
 

NLXSK1

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Wow, I'm actually shocked at the logic the Supreme Court applied in making those judgements.

Associations of people arnt afforded voting rights, individuals are. Should the individuals associate and use their vote in blocs then its a different story, but the claim a Corporation is representative of its many parts is foolish.

And just because a corporation is a separate legal entity for the purposes of limited liability for its shareholders does NOT make it a "person".

Repeal that retarded shit, asap.
The unions can confiscate dues from members and spend it on whatever they want, yet somehow a corporation spending it's profit on political campaigns is foolish?? Seems a little one sided and self serving IMO. Maybe if you wanted to treat unions the same way as corporations your position would seem a little less hypocritical. Especially considering that unions spent hundreds of millions of dollars getting Barak Obama elected for his last 2 terms.
 

Pinworm

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The unions can confiscate dues from members and spend it on whatever they want, yet somehow a corporation spending it's profit on political campaigns is foolish?? Seems a little one sided and self serving IMO. Maybe if you wanted to treat unions the same way as corporations your position would seem a little less hypocritical. Especially considering that unions spent hundreds of millions of dollars getting Barak Obama elected for his last 2 terms.
Calls hypocrite, and still can't spell Barack Obama. That's a little embarrassing.
 

abandonconflict

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Costa Rica has more teachers than cops and no standing army. Despite having far fewer resources than many other countries, Costa Rica is stable and has a very high standard of living. Aside from that it is just fucking beautiful here. Tica chicas are awesome too, even the ugly ones are fine.
 

Hazydat620

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The unions can confiscate dues from members and spend it on whatever they want, yet somehow a corporation spending it's profit on political campaigns is foolish?? Seems a little one sided and self serving IMO. Maybe if you wanted to treat unions the same way as corporations your position would seem a little less hypocritical. Especially considering that unions spent hundreds of millions of dollars getting Barak Obama elected for his last 2 terms.
Not if you actually knew how a union works, have you ever been part of a union probably not. The difference is the union members vote on who they want spending their money and how, the money spent is for the benefit of the members. Do corporations hold elections voted by employees? Does ANY employee have the ability to be voted into power by the employees? If you can't see the difference you are a douche. Dues aren't confiscated, they are paid. Member dues are minimal BTW, $25 dollars a month is all you pay.
 

Canna Sylvan

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Costa Rica has more teachers than cops and no standing army. Despite having far fewer resources than many other countries, Costa Rica is stable and has a very high standard of living. Aside from that it is just fucking beautiful here. Tica chicas are awesome too, even the ugly ones are fine.
Did you get tired of the Mexican Mustachio Muchachas?
 

Padawanbater2

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Before this gets too off topic, and before I have to go into work.. What do you, CS, and abandonconflict, think about the overall influence on money in politics? Do you think that a corporation with essentially unlimited resources should be allowed to contribute to political campaigns under the guise of the first amendment, or not? Why?
 

Pinworm

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Before this gets too off topic, and before I have to go into work.. What do you, CS, and abandonconflict, think about the overall influence on money in politics? Do you think that a corporation with essentially unlimited resources should be allowed to contribute to political campaigns under the guise of the first amendment, or not? Why?
Super-pacs are going to / already have fucking killed the two party "system".
 

Doer

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Wow, I'm actually shocked at the logic the Supreme Court applied in making those judgements.

Associations of people arnt afforded voting rights, individuals are. Should the individuals associate and use their vote in blocs then its a different story, but the claim a Corporation is representative of its many parts is foolish.

And just because a corporation is a separate legal entity for the purposes of limited liability for its shareholders does NOT make it a "person".

Repeal that retarded shit, asap.
Interesting. You are shocked, up in the nosebleed seats, behind the rafters?

We are not. We know, nothing, but nothing, is settled in self rule.

We just make new rules.
 

Wilksey

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The only way to stop this bullshit from continuously happening is to enact an amendment to the constitution, get money out of politics
I would support that amendment 1000%, and was pretty much horrified and pissed the fuck off when I read about the "Supreme" court ruling on this matter.

However, both political parties would NOT support such an amendment, as it would undermine their power.

They care not about any g'damn thing but themselves, and ensuring their continued ability to steal OUR money under the pretense of "government".
 

Doer

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I would support that amendment 1000%, and was pretty much horrified and pissed the fuck off when I read about the "Supreme" court ruling on this matter.

However, both political parties would NOT support such an amendment, as it would undermine their power.

They care not about any g'damn thing but themselves, and ensuring their continued ability to steal OUR money under the pretense of "government".
To me, this is not correct. You can't act like the cart was before the horse.

Money is politics and poiltics is war, since war is resources and money.


This was long before the USA. This was long before Rome,

So, you guys work with me on a thought puzzle?

What would that be as an Amendment Statement?

What is the consequence, actual, (not playschool) of "no money" in Politics?

See? We have to think these things through. If there was a fix, in self rule we do the fix.

Tell me about this fix, to the detail level where someone as smart as Sky, can be satisfied it would work.
 
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Harrekin

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To me, this is not correct. You can't act like the cart was before the horse.

Money is politics and poiltics is war, since war is resources and money.


This was long before the USA. This was long before Rome,

So, you guys work with me on a thought puzzle?

What would that be as an Amendment Statement?

What is the consequence, actual, (not playschool) of "no money" in Politics?

See? We have to think these things through. If there was a fix, in self rule we do the fix.

Tell me about this fix, to the detail level where someone as smart as Sky, can be satisfied it would work.
OK Doer, we get it.

A typical Doer post "Saganist...self rule...royalist...Constitution... 2nd Amendment...Walter Mitty".

Now you never need to post again cos Iv covered youre whole range.
 
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