Affordable?

[ginwilly]

The question was posed to Rob Roy not Captain Save A Hoe.
Damn Michigan St. about to be my first lost.

I know, I was just bored... I get a kick out of you and others who can bitch about our government but just "want to improve it" tell RobRoy he has to leave if he don't like it because your "improvements" are in direct conflict with what he wants.

As a UM alum I am not allowed to ever bet on MSU to win. They have long history of losing big games. It's expected of them. GO BLUE!! Not sure you've heard, but we got a new coach

 

[londonfog]

I know, I was just bored... I get a kick out of you and others who can bitch about our government but just "want to improve it" tell RobRoy he has to leave if he don't like it because your "improvements" are in direct conflict with what he wants.

As a UM alum I am not allowed to ever bet on MSU to win. They have long history of losing big games. It's expected of them. GO BLUE!! Not sure you've heard, but we got a new coach

My problem is not about complaining about your government, but to say it does NO good and only forces you to do things is CRazY TalK and it makes me wonder why would you stay in this country if you felt this way.

I at least thought MSU would cover the damn points. Oh well still doing nice with my picks. I probably will give it all back come NFL playoff. I'm liking New England and Seattle.
Yeah congratulation on Harbaugh. I think I will give you guys two years to be back in the mix.

 

[ginwilly]

Interesting video. I realized my priorities in life during the first time I was shot at, friends and family, wealth has since been one of my lowest priorities. It really did change my outlook on life!

In the past when I was broke as hell and lived in a crummy apartment I didn't care, I had my spouse with me. As long as we have 'enough' to pay bills and feel comfortable that's what matters.

I never have understood anyone who actually decides they 'need' a yacht, more, more, more, etc.

My dream is to officially retire and live in a house with my wife and the animals in the woods, maybe Alaska. Big dream eh?

I finally hit that age where working 70 hrs so I can get the newest Ultra Glide and climb the ladder is no longer fun. I am at that point where I'm looking to downsize, have no bills, work as little as possible and leave the rat race. It has been a gradual process for me, if I had known back in those small apartment days what is truly important I'd most likely already be there.

I don't think those who want more and more are ever truly happy. You sound like you have things figured out what works for you. I hope you get to live your dream, it sounds nice.

 

[ginwilly]

My problem is not about complaining about your government, but to say it does NO good and only forces you to do things is CRazY TalK and it makes me wonder why would you stay in this country if you felt this way.

I at least thought MSU would cover the damn points. Oh well still doing nice with my picks. I probably will give it all back come NFL playoff. I'm liking New England and Seattle.
Yeah congratulation on Harbaugh. I think I will give you guys two years to be back in the mix.

New England and Seattle are my Super Bowl picks too but I have to take the Detroit/Dallas winner as my darkhorse in the NFC and Pittsburgh in the AFC.

Expectations for Harbaugh are huge. The Big10 is counting on him, Dantonio, Meyer, Francis and PSU and Nebraska to bring them back to the glory days. He has more pressure on him now than any coach in college.

As far as the no government crowd, I like where some of them are coming from, but personally feel that the government is a necessary evil. Telling those people to move is just as unrealistic as a society without an authority to me, where can they move to? Why can't they live here but be left alone?

I want a government who will protect me from you, not from myself. What they have become is way more than intended or needed and no longer serves my needs or wants, they serve themselves first. You should never be able to use a coercive force to make me act against my best interests for your best interests. That's the message RobRoy is trying to convey that you either don't understand or just ignore.

 

[londonfog]

New England and Seattle are my Super Bowl picks too but I have to take the Detroit/Dallas winner as my darkhorse in the NFC and Pittsburgh in the AFC.

Expectations for Harbaugh are huge. The Big10 is counting on him, Dantonio, Meyer, Francis and PSU and Nebraska to bring them back to the glory days. He has more pressure on him now than any coach in college.

As far as the no government crowd, I like where some of them are coming from, but personally feel that the government is a necessary evil. Telling those people to move is just as unrealistic as a society without an authority to me, where can they move to? Why can't they live here but be left alone?

I want a government who will protect me from you, not from myself. What they have become is way more than intended or needed and no longer serves my needs or wants, they serve themselves first. You should never be able to use a coercive force to make me act against my best interests for your best interests. That's the message RobRoy is trying to convey that you either don't understand or just ignore.

This country was here before you or Rob Roy. You and Rob Roy take advantage of a lot that it has to offer. If all was bad, evil and forceful it might be in your best interest to move.

I do like Pitt..Cowboys nor Lions are about to make the Super Bowl. I take Cowboys over Lions

 

[NLXSK1]

Bullshit
If it wasnt for the Goverment she would probably be payin the same amount of money for Snake oil

You make arguments like this quite often with absolutely no supporting evidence.

Why do they only pay 100 in mexico for the same drug?

 

[londonfog]

THANK YOU MSU...OMG

 

[ginwilly]

This country was here before you or Rob Roy. You and Rob Roy take advantage of a lot that it has to offer. If all was bad, evil and forceful it might be in your best interest to move.

I do like Pitt..Cowboys nor Lions are about to make the Super Bowl. I take Cowboys over Lions

It was here before all of us. It was also here before the government. Point, invalid. Move where? Why can't we try to make the home we have the best possible version? isn't that what you claim you are doing when you call for increased nanny control?

What the hell did I just watch in the MSU game? congrats on that cover from nowhere.

 

[ChesusRice]

You make arguments like this quite often with absolutely no supporting evidence.

Why do they only pay 100 in mexico for the same drug?

Good question.
WHy dont you ask George Bush about Medicare Part D and the ban on importation of medications

 

[AlecTheGardener]

I finally hit that age where working 70 hrs so I can get the newest Ultra Glide and climb the ladder is no longer fun. I am at that point where I'm looking to downsize, have no bills, work as little as possible and leave the rat race. It has been a gradual process for me, if I had known back in those small apartment days what is truly important I'd most likely already be there.

I don't think those who want more and more are ever truly happy. You sound like you have things figured out what works for you. I hope you get to live your dream, it sounds nice.

I am beyond lucky with that experience under my belt at my age. The army forced me to live my youth too quickly perhaps, but the trade off was that little priority straightening knowledge.

Before that life changing encounter I also tried to climb that ladder briefly, less is more now.

 

[Red1966]

i do have a bone to pick with the insurance companies.

the same gold policy which was supposed to be a $34 increase turned into $77 when i received renewal..i'm not sticking with..but damn! that's the insurance company..not the ACA!

the way this works with subsidies is, that they get fed auto until you change..so if you don't..and don't pay your premiums? they get to keep the free cash and you receive no benefits.

this new outrage only parallels the outrage of insurance companies "tagging" you as an ACA client (which a insurance company employee told me in secrecy) over private insurance which, i'm gonna say without even looking, is a discriminatory practice.

But required of them by the ACA.

 

[Rob Roy]

I don't view my government as force. Please allow me to share with you some things I do appreciated that my government provides. I myself have always spent many many hours in the library. I can read tons of magazines, books, and newspaper. I truly think that type of shit kept me out of a lot of trouble in my youth. I still enjoy the library to this very day.
My first attempt at college was on a athletic scholarship, due to my foolishness and youth I lost that scholarship. I decided to join the USAF to help pay for school and to do something with my life. Turned out I made a career out of it,as well as finishing school and getting a home, motorcycle, cars, and provide for my family. My VA loan helped me obtain my second home quick and easy( claimed it as my primary residence). When most people where just trying to figure out life, I was already doing it.
I must credit USAF for my success ( as well as me doing the right things). None of this was done by FORCE. Now do I think my government has room to improve....HELL I would say plenty,but I also see wonderful things it provides.

Now I ask you once more. If you feel that all this government does is force you to do things against your will WTF do you stay.

Thank you for responding in a reasonable way and sharing some interesting but irrelevant to the topic, aspects of your life. I appreciate that you think you answered the question in a responsive way.

You can choose not to view your government as force, but you have provided no evidence to back up that it is not. In fact, you are wrong, blatantly so.

The present model of Government can only exist WITH force. That is obvious. You can't even name one thing that they do where no force or threat of force is used to achieve it.

You describe some of the benefits of the force that you like, but you didn't and can't refute the force or threats of force that is used to achieve those things. I can believe in Santa Claus, but that doesn't prove he's real does it?

Government is not voluntarily funded. How was the money you were paid in USAF acquired? Was it taken or given?
I like libraries too, that doesn't mean that Public libraries don't exist thru involuntary funding though.

I don't "feel" that government is force. It is force. That is a demonstrable fact. I feel that breasts are beautiful, that is an opinion. Facts are not opinions and opinions are not facts. Again, your opinion that a fact isn't a fact isn't a refutation, it's a sidestep.

Can you tell me anything that coercive government does that is not funded by force? I bet I can tell you lots of things that are.


I'll answer your question now.

Nobody owns me but me and I don't own and never did own anybody else. That goes for all people. I'll stay where I am and leave when I'm damn good and ready. Also, it's not "my" government, that would imply one of two things ; 1) I voluntarily joined it or 2) I am a slave where my consent didn't matter.

Any benefit that is achieved thru force can and should be done without the force. Can you refute that? Peace.


How come you look at the things you like, but fail to address the means of how they are achieved?

 

[UncleBuck]

That 4% that you keep posting is a bunch of BS.

it's not though. you are just angry and bitter that obamacare is working.

 

[UncleBuck]

The ACA fucks over the middle class but you are for it.

how so?

subsidies are given to anyone making up to 400% of poverty, that's $50k~ a year for someone who is single. that's the middle class by definition right there.

Subsidies are on the backs of the middle class, not for them.

a family of four making up to $96,000~ a year gets subsidies under obamacare.

tell us again about your belief that the middle class in america is composed of families making $100k+ a year, douchebag.

 

[UncleBuck]

the ACA was possibly the worst bill ever written

nice hyperbole, loser.

59% of americans want to keep it though, so you are thoroughly wrong.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

Since the beginning of the 16 game schedule, 7 teams finished the season 8-0 on the road. 6 of the 7 went to the super bowl. The other lost in the nfc championship game.

Dallas finished 8-0 on the road this year, becoming the 8th team to accomplish that feat. They have already beaten Seattle, in Seattle. Do not count them out.

 

[londonfog]

Thank you for responding in a reasonable way and sharing some interesting but irrelevant to the topic, aspects of your life. I appreciate that you think you answered the question in a responsive way.

You can choose not to view your government as force, but you have provided no evidence to back up that it is not. In fact, you are wrong, blatantly so.

The present model of Government can only exist WITH force. That is obvious. You can't even name one thing that they do where no force or threat of force is used to achieve it.

You describe some of the benefits of the force that you like, but you didn't and can't refute the force or threats of force that is used to achieve those things. I can believe in Santa Claus, but that doesn't prove he's real does it?

Government is not voluntarily funded. How was the money you were paid in USAF acquired? Was it taken or given?
I like libraries too, that doesn't mean that Public libraries don't exist thru involuntary funding though.

I don't "feel" that government is force. It is force. That is a demonstrable fact. I feel that breasts are beautiful, that is an opinion. Facts are not opinions and opinions are not facts. Again, your opinion that a fact isn't a fact isn't a refutation, it's a sidestep.

Can you tell me anything that coercive government does that is not funded by force? I bet I can tell you lots of things that are.


I'll answer your question now.

Nobody owns me but me and I don't own and never did own anybody else. That goes for all people. I'll stay where I am and leave when I'm damn good and ready. Also, it's not "my" government, that would imply one of two things ; 1) I voluntarily joined it or 2) I am a slave where my consent didn't matter.

Any benefit that is achieved thru force can and should be done without the force. Can you refute that? Peace.


How come you look at the things you like, but fail to address the means of how they are achieved?

Do you know anyplace you can live like you want ? The world is not just for Rob Roy. You have to share and do your part.

 

[UncleBuck]

Those of us who want to limit government intrusion in our day to day lives are not extremists and racists

way too often you are.

in fact, people like you speak most often and vocally about "limiting government intrusion" into who you can kick out of your business based on skin color.

hence why you wingnuts get so correctly labeled as extremists and racists. because you are.

 

[Rob Roy]

it's not though. you are just angry and bitter that obamacare is working.

You describe "working" as if the end result is the only component to consider. Even if what you said were true and it isn't, it's not "working", that is an incomplete view of the entire thing that Obamacare is.

You've never addressed how something is funded as being worthy of consideration as to the efficacy of it.

That kind of blind spot is a rationalization and intellectually dishonest, not to mention sort of leads to false assumptions.

For instance, if a person likes the result of a given action and ignores the means, that would make rape, making love, when they are two different things altogether aren't they?

Now I don't expect you to address the means, because you never do, but your blind spot is stunningly glaucomic.

 

[UncleBuck]

Why can't we try to make the home we have the best possible version? isn't that what you claim you are doing when you call for increased nanny control?

that's exactly what we did when we passed civil rights, and then racist extremists like you carry on about it 50 years later, calling it "nanny control" while advocating for candidates who want to prohibit federal expenditures to any organization that even suggests that homosexuality can be an acceptable lifestyle.