OK. What type of "proof" are you looking for? To support what claims. If anything. I've given you the easiest route to go to support your supposed theories. There are plenty of threads to begin pulling that are actually supported by mainstream, and up and coming science.
How does God orchestrate such a perfect Symphony?
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Heisenberg
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Good eye! But can you find the logical failing in this one?
To be fair, Gregor points out that this is an arbitrary notion. But can you spot the fallacy?
New Age United
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Well if you could link to some credible data explaining why there has to be higher powers that would be great. Don't try to support any one of my theories just to be agreeable my theories very well could be wrong and by giving me false hope you are enforcing my confirmation bias.
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New Age United
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No that's a good one what is it?
Heisenberg
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It is quite cleverly disguised, and compounded.
When trying to break down an argument, first find what's called the logical operator. Words like: therefore, because, ergo, or in this case, "so". Everything before the operator is the premise, and everything after is the conclusion.
"God, or a primordial being is perfect in every way so even if something seems out of the ordinary or mindless to us, I still think it's all part of a certain plan, even if it takes a few years or even centruries for us to realize."
The premise is "God, or a primordial being is perfect in every way." And it's implied that this is in reference to his plan.
The conclusion is "even if something seems out of the ordinary or mindless to us, I still think it's all part of a certain plan."
So what's being said is that God's plan is perfect in every way, because God's plan is perfect in every way. It's a tautology, also known as begging the question. The conclusion is just a restatement of the premise.
When we add "even if it takes a few years or even centuries for us to realize" it also qualifies as a specific form of special pleading called immunized hypothesis. If we find evidence that appears to disprove that God's plan is perfect, it doesn't count, because we just aren't capable of seeing the perfection. This means nothing we can ever see will falsify the idea; we can only confirm it.
And again, I'll point out that Gregor says the idea is arbitrary. I'm not trying to make an example of anyone.
From the basis of how we presume our own type of biological life was formed. The fact that we are indeed discovering other forms of life not from our planet. The age of our universe and in comparison to the age of our own solar system. The mere fact that we have found bacteria on mars itself. That is far older than any found on earth. Then you take the seti data for "human" habital worlds. Then you put that all up against the ever expansive size and age of the universe. And hoist it all into a probability matrix.
And then realize that beings of higher intelligence and forms of life more than likely would not want to get close enough to us for us to get any real evidence of their existence.
Now. Prove their is not.
New Age United
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Whatever proof you can give me to support your own claims
New Age United
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This is called burden of proof, it is not my responsibility to prove you wrong it is your responsibility to prove yourself correct.
My own claim would have to be my trying to comfort or distract you from your thoughts of your friend. And his apparent suicide. I never even mentioned God this whole time. Higher intelligences? Of course there are. We usualy call em geniuses. Random coincidences? Sure. Happens everyday. Cause and effect? Stand in the rain. You get wet. Devine plan? How would you know? Are you devine? And if you are. How could an average person ever sway your belief?
Correct about which point? State it please.
New Age United
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This claim
Dude. I was making a statement. Not attempting to prove a fact. Trying to get you to see both sides of an arguement that you want to have for some reason. When it is clear that this whole thread is about you coming to terms with your own personal recent events.
Yeah. We call em geniuses. Extreme weight lifters. Olympic athletes.
Or maybe you should define what you consider a "higher power".
New Age United
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Omf he wasn't that good of a friend he was part of our circle and I'll miss him but it's over he's at peace and I am to. Seriously DaSprout thank you for your support but I'll be ok. You know damn well you were not talking about human beings in that statement come on lol!!!!!
Was I. Not talking about humans. Did I mention God? Aliens?
Wait...
Here's what you quoted:
There are higher powers. Just from our own biology and scientifically determined creation. And our own laws of probability. There has to be.
Now.
Doesn't this response fit that quote?
Yeah. We call em geniuses. Extreme weight lifters. Olympic athletes.
Maybe you made an assumption. It happens man.
New Age United
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OK I'll give you that one I may have completely misinterpreted it but it is pretty vague and you know that most people do not ever consider other human beings as higher powers so if you really wanted me to understand your meaning you should of been more specific.
I apologize for the misunderstanding. Let's hug it out brother.
The more you know...