rkymtnman
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BingoThe insurance, hospital and drug companies will scream bloody murder,
BingoThe insurance, hospital and drug companies will scream bloody murder,
That's just disingenuous. You don't know it's drivel, you didn't watch it.an hour of my life will not be wasted on false assumptions.
Yeah, people vote against universal healthcare, because corruption. Could you please name those corrupt Democratic Party congressmen?
The Democratic party must become more liberal. That's the way to capture votes in the rural south. Sorry man, that's drivel.
Incrementalism hadn't worked. It's time to step up the pressure.The polls indicate they do, but not by a huge margin and sometimes people don't vote for what they seem to support in polls.
Obamacare polled horribly through much of his term, but popularity has risen. Maybe from people fearing it's loss on pre existing conditions, etc.
Universal health care could catch on, people would like it, but the right will put up resistance yelling socialist and communist. The insurance, hospital and drug companies will scream bloody murder, and 'we the people' will pay for it one way or another.
Tax rates will rise, the rich and corporations and their PAC's will fight tooth and nail against paying for it.
We're not living in a perfect progressive country. Yet.
I have the highest confidence that we'll evolve into that. 20-50 years would be my prediction.
So maybe allowing corporations to give Congress money is a problem?insurance companies give Congress lots of money
civil rights don't give Congress money
women's suffrage don't give Congress money
ever wonder why in every decent size city in America that all the tallest skyscrapers are either a bank or an insurance company?
I gave the video more than the cursory five seconds out of respect to you. The dude is repeating the same false assumptions you repeat. Including the one about the Democratic party elites "chose" Hillary over Sanders. From there he goes on about they just aren't listening because of course Sanders would have won.That's just disingenuous. You don't know it's drivel, you didn't watch it.
Corruption is the reason we don't have universal or single payer healthcare.
Corporate welfare and Citizens United are also issues he discussed.
I don't think you want to be part of a solution.
That's just lazy.
I'm sorry you didn't get any further than ten seconds in, there were lots of good ideas.I gave the video more than the cursory five seconds out of respect to you. The dude is repeating the same false assumptions you repeat. Including the one about the Democratic party elites "chose" Hillary over Sanders. From there he goes on about they just aren't listening because of course Sanders would have won.
Sanders couldn't win the Democratic Primary. Yet you and that pudgy bloviating video speaker tout Sander's failure as proof the he'd win the general? What kind of logic is that?
The Young Turk makes no more sense than you do. His logic, if you can call it that, is based upon false assumptions and don't hold up to scrutiny. Bernie Sanders lost the south. He was drubbed, beaten, hardly won a single vote. Losing the South by huge margins was the cause of losing to Clinton in the primary. The claim that "Bernie would have won" is an unprovable hypothesis. So, prove to me that Bernie would have won and I'll sit down. But nobody can. Because he lost the primary before March 1.
So, ok, have your beliefs but that's all it is. Religious zealots demand that women should be denied abortions because they believe god is against it and you demand that nonbelievers in Sanders' invicibility just tow the line about your belief.
poppycock
Why do they want it repealed? Do they even know? I've never heard one say why.
threee different threads now, eh?
I know you won't bother watching it because you already know everything. But just in case someone else wants to see a different perspective...
are you fucking retarded?I'm suggesting we run progressive candidates and primary the crap out of sitting Democrats. It seems to have worked out well for the Republicans, after all!
The hypothesis that Clinton would've won is unprovable too.I gave the video more than the cursory five seconds out of respect to you. The dude is repeating the same false assumptions you repeat. Including the one about the Democratic party elites "chose" Hillary over Sanders. From there he goes on about they just aren't listening because of course Sanders would have won.
Sanders couldn't win the Democratic Primary. Yet you and that pudgy bloviating video speaker tout Sander's failure as proof the he'd win the general? What kind of logic is that?
The Young Turk makes no more sense than you do. His logic, if you can call it that, is based upon false assumptions and don't hold up to scrutiny. Bernie Sanders lost the south. He was drubbed, beaten, hardly won a single vote. Losing the South by huge margins was the cause of losing to Clinton in the primary. The claim that "Bernie would have won" is an unprovable hypothesis. So, prove to me that Bernie would have won and I'll sit down. But nobody can. Because he lost the primary before March 1.
So, ok, have your beliefs but that's all it is. Religious zealots demand that women should be denied abortions because they believe god is against it and you demand that nonbelievers in Sanders' invicibility just tow the line about your belief.
poppycock
I don't approve of those subsidies.Why should Exxon get $40 billion in subsidies? Aren't they one of the world's most profitable corporations? Socialism for them but nothing for American citizen taxpayers?
C'mon, man....sure, the 'far left' ('padbaiter' guy, lol!) nonsense is oftentimes cringeworthy and detrimental to the actual cause, but you shouldn't speak to @ttystikk this way. Doesn't he deserve a bit more e-respect than a desert georgie or an ANALEXCESS?are you fucking retarded?
including tty the turncoat.I can safely and honestly say that I didn't help Trump either directly or indirectly. Keeping him out was the prime directive, Bernie Sanders said as much.
But a hell of a lot of Democrats got on the right wing created 'crooked Hillary' bandwagon.
i am not going to be polite to anyone who runs roughshod over the facts anymore. no more kid gloves for the far left. hillary did that to bernie and it didn't work. so i won't do it either.C'mon, man....sure, the 'far left' ('padbaiter' guy, lol!) nonsense is oftentimes cringeworthy and detrimental to the actual cause, but you shouldn't speak to @ttystikk this way. Doesn't he deserve a bit more e-respect than a desert georgie or an ANALEXCESS?
C'mon, man....sure, the 'far left' ('padbaiter' guy, lol!) nonsense is oftentimes cringeworthy and detrimental to the actual cause, but you shouldn't speak to @ttystikk this way. Doesn't he deserve a bit more e-respect than a desert georgie or an ANALEXCESS?
If you ask me, we could use a few more moderates on both sides.i am not going to be polite to anyone who runs roughshod over the facts anymore. no more kid gloves for the far left. hillary did that to bernie and it didn't work. so i won't do it either.
they need to grow up and face reality. the GOP only hurt themselves by primarying their moderates. the same would hold true for the democrats.
It's not a hypothesis. Clinton lost. It was a dirty contest. I'm over it.The hypothesis that Clinton would've won is unprovable too.
Sanders didn't "fall behind" in the south, he was drubbed there and had lost the nomination before your state's caucus. Your belief is not the same as fact. Sanders didn't convince southern black voters who make up a large proportion of Democratic Party voters that he understood the difference between a jobs first policy and the equal right to a job for which one is qualified, regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation and how both are equally important. When Sanders was asked about wage and opportunity disparity all he did was talk about jobs growth.I'm sorry you didn't get any further than ten seconds in, there were lots of good ideas.
By the way, Colorado's caucus was on March 1 and he was doing very well. He won here, for instance. It was the summer season in the South where he fell behind.
Wanting a better country for the rest of us isn't zealotry. Wanting to end the corporate stranglehold on our political system isn't anything like attempting to ban abortion, Mr Strawman.
I'm sorry you don't feel like these are fights with having.
Meh. I'm spreading the word to those who care about making our country a better place for all of us, not just the elites.threee different threads now, eh?
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