Aliens

Erniedytn said:
So when I copy and paste something it is a joke? Typical narrow minded point of view. I also see that you have nothing else to say about any other part of it.
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The joke is what I said it was. some guy translating alien transcript.

They are so different to us they even use written language. Everything you say points to similarities to ourselves...

Also when I mentioned about looking no further than Earth to study what aliens MIGHT be like I meant behaviourally. All life on our planet acts in much the same way, yet out of all the billions of life forms on this planet we are the only one sentient enough to travel into space.

I've never said that I don't believe aliens are out there, I just know that it would be very unlikely that they'll have the intelligence to travel into space. Then if they did, the culture would be so far away from our own that us ever meeting for the next 10, 000, 000 or so years is very unlikely.
 
Erniedytn said:
I never said I agreed or disagreed. I simply stated that the first reported abductees described the "grays" as their captors. The "grays" did not become very popular until the 80's, as your article states.
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Why are you speech-marking 'grays'? In my country it spelt 'grey'.
 
skunkushybrid said:
The joke is what I said it was. some guy translating alien transcript.

They are so different to us they even use written language. Everything you say points to similarities to ourselves...

Also when I mentioned about looking no further than Earth to study what aliens MIGHT be like I meant behaviourally. All life on our planet acts in much the same way, yet out of all the billions of life forms on this planet we are the only one sentient enough to travel into space.

I've never said that I don't believe aliens are out there, I just know that it would be very unlikely that they'll have the intelligence to travel into space. Then if they did, the culture would be so far away from our own that us ever meeting for the next 10, 000, 000 or so years is very unlikely.
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OK I get the joke, it is sorta funny if you think about it; but whos to say that the Egyptian Heiroglyphics are not the exact same thing? There are people supposedly translating that all the time.

I do not disagree with anything in the second paragraph.

Who knows what they are capable of? Not you or I, only they know. I guess this is where we disagree the most. You say they cannot travel that far,but like I said before, what if they are coming from right here in our own solar system?
 
Erniedytn said:
They hide to keep us ignorant and confused, or possibly to avoid being killed.I am not the only one claiming there are several types. The article you posted says the same thing I do.

As far as aliens abducting aliens.... I have no fucking clue. I can only speak as to what is reported on Earth. I have never been to the aliens planet, nor have I ever met one. Now it is you who is being ridiculous. I have no idea if they themselves are being abducted. You say no reason or meaning? Once again, they are not human. Your thought process does not apply to them.

Apparently they have advanced way beyond us. Who knows how they did it, or how long it took them.

Define "ethos" and I will respond to the last part.
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ethos: the spirit or attitudes of a race of people.

So, they hide to avoid being seen, yet they do not mind letting their abductees go? Are they so in tune with our society?

Afraid of being killed? They're more advanced than us, they'd have no need to be afraid. They travel to our planet undetected with technologies. Technology follows a certain path... you don't just invent the aeroplane. Technology also has an evolutionary path.

I'm not applying human thought processes as I have stated before, I'm applying the law of nature. There are billions of lifeforms on our planet, yet we are the only one capable of going into space. If you think of the billions of lifeforms on this planet then it is logical to assume that this pattern is followed (although very sporadically) throughout the universe.
 
Erniedytn said:
OK I get the joke, it is sorta funny if you think about it; but whos to say that the Egyptian Heiroglyphics are not the exact same thing? There are people supposedly translating that all the time.quote]

The reason for the translation of the egyptian heiroglyphics is because of a man called Napoleon, his conquests in Africa and the consequential discovery of the rosetta stone.

Which had two languages on it, one the heiroglyphs and the other ancient greek. Both said the same thing, and the heiroglyphs were decoded.
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Erniedytn said:
Who knows what they are capable of? Not you or I, only they know. I guess this is where we disagree the most. You say they cannot travel that far,but like I said before, what if they are coming from right here in our own solar system?
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Ok. I realise that we don't know enough about our own solar system to know for definite, but don't you think we would have noticed by now if we were being visited? I mean, the people that claim to have seen them, say a thousand a month, this is still nowhere near enough. WHy are they only visible to some people and not to others? Why do they hide, then suddenly decide they don't need to hide after all?

I know there are intelligent beings out there, common sense tells me that. yet it also tells me that we haven't met them yet. Unless, as someone said, we were the original aliens and our old planet (maybe mars) was destroyed through the building of society and the rise of technology. I think that all we'll find on mars is bones. I don't doubt for a second that mars was once a habitated planet.
 
skunkushybrid said:
ethos: the spirit or attitudes of a race of people.

So, they hide to avoid being seen, yet they do not mind letting their abductees go? Are they so in tune with our society?

Afraid of being killed? They're more advanced than us, they'd have no need to be afraid. They travel to our planet undetected with technologies. Technology follows a certain path... you don't just invent the aeroplane. Technology also has an evolutionary path.

I'm not applying human thought processes as I have stated before, I'm applying the law of nature. There are billions of lifeforms on our planet, yet we are the only one capable of going into space. If you think of the billions of lifeforms on this planet then it is logical to assume that this pattern is followed (although very sporadically) throughout the universe.
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Many abductees do not remember their experience until much much later. This is what researchers describe as "lost time". I believe they are very in tune with our society as they probably created us.

Of course they would be killed if captured. Think about it as us being a herd of cattle and them being the ranchers. Do the ranchers go out into the cow field and live there with the cattle? Do they proclaim there presence on a daily basis and make sure the cattle know who they are and what they are there for? No--they simply go pluck the cattle as needed. No need to explain anything to the dumb ass cows. They serve their purpose well. Don't you think that if the cattle knew why we came for them that they would try to stop us by hurting us in some way?

You are applying the laws of nature as you understand them. Who knows what evolutionary pattern has taken effect on another planet.
 
skunkushybrid said:
The reason for the translation of the egyptian heiroglyphics is because of a man called Napoleon, his conquests in Africa and the consequential discovery of the rosetta stone.

Which had two languages on it, one the heiroglyphs and the other ancient greek. Both said the same thing, and the heiroglyphs were decoded.
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How do you know that the writings on the disc were not Egyptian Heiroglyphs, or should I say that Egyptian Heiroglyphs are not an alien language?
 
Erniedytn said:
Many abductees do not remember their experience until much much later. This is what researchers describe as "lost time". i believe they are very in tune with our society as they probably created us.

Of course they would be killed if captured. Think about it as us being a herd of cattle and them being the ranchers. Do the ranchers go out into the cow field and live there with the cattle? Do they proclaim there presence on a daily basis and make sure the cattle know who they are and what they are there for? No--they simply go pluck the cattle as needed. No need to explain anything to the dumb ass cows. They serve their purpose well. Don't you think that if the cattle knew why we came for them that they would try to stop us by hurting us in some way?

You are applying the laws of nature as you understand them. Who knows what evolutionary pattern has taken effect on another planet.
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The aliens don't live with us... but the ranchers certainly don't hide from the cattle. Yes the ranchers are there on a daily basis, herding the cattle into different fields for grazing, shit like that.

You think animals don't recognise death? Actually, you think we're different to animals? Animals understand far more than you give them credit for. Ask anybody that's actually worked in an abbatoir. They know alright.

I cannot follow your logic. A bunch of cows could not defeat the human race, this is why we do not need to hide. So, you're saying we could destroy these aliens?

Why then do they release people, when if all we are is cattle? Why risk letting us go so that we can remember it and tell everybody? If they created us why would they need to experiment on us? If we can destroy them why are their space crafts visible sometimes? Why are they only visible to a couple of people when there have been reports of ufo's over cities with large populations?

If Aliens have ever been involved with this planet then you're probably right they are still here. It is us, and the aliens are our ancestors.
 
skunkushybrid said:
Ok. I realise that we don't know enough about our own solar system to know for definite, but don't you think we would have noticed by now if we were being visited? I mean, the people that claim to have seen them, say a thousand a month, this is still nowhere near enough. WHy are they only visible to some people and not to others? Why do they hide, then suddenly decide they don't need to hide after all?

I know there are intelligent beings out there, common sense tells me that. yet it also tells me that we haven't met them yet. Unless, as someone said, we were the original aliens and our old planet (maybe mars) was destroyed through the building of society and the rise of technology. I think that all we'll find on mars is bones. I don't doubt for a second that mars was once a habitated planet.
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Thats the thing! Millions of people worldwide have noticed! Certain people notice because they are not closed minded. As for the others--it's not that they don't notice, it's that they refuse to believe, so they do not bother to look. Maybe the abductees are people who are open minded and the aliens are trying to reveal themselves the best way they know how; by implanting thoughts and images into peoples brains, until finally they have gotten the message across to millions.

I believe we have met them and that Mars is still inhabited by our ancestors or creators; whatever they may be. Have you not noticed the "Hush Hush" attitude towards Mars lately? I do not believe that the Mars rover capsized or fell of a cliff as we have been led to believe, but rather it is still taking pictures of epic proportion, and we have discovered something that the government does not want the general public to know; or it was simply discovered and destroyed immediately by the natives, in which the last few frames would reveal the destroyers appearance. In either case we are being led astray.
 
skunkushybrid said:
I cannot follow your logic. A bunch of cows could not defeat the human race, this is why we do not need to hide. So, you're saying we could destroy these aliens?

Why then do they release people, when if all we are is cattle? Why risk letting us go so that we can remember it and tell everybody? If they created us why would they need to experiment on us? If we can destroy them why are their space crafts visible sometimes? Why are they only visible to a couple of people when there have been reports of ufo's over cities with large populations?

If Aliens have ever been involved with this planet then you're probably right they are still here. It is us, and the aliens are our ancestors.
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I never said that we could destroy the aliens,but I guarantee you that if they just flew in and said "Hello Everyone" that some asshole would start shooting. The human race is violent, and now, thanks to Hollywood, frightened to death of aliens. The mass sightings over major cities, like Sao Paulo, Brazil for example did not get noticed by a few people. thousands saw it at one time, so I'm not quite sure what you are getting at here.

At least we can agree on something!!!:blsmoke:
 
On a lighter note, I am glad you have provided this ancient thread for us to go at it in. I simply did not want to hijack Zekedogg's thread with our argument. I do apologize for my "Go Fuck Yourself" comment.:leaf:
 
Erniedytn said:
On a lighter note, I am glad you have provided this ancient thread for us to go at it in. I simply did not want to hijack Zekedogg's thread with our argument. I do apologize for my "Go Fuck Yourself" comment.:leaf:
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No need to apologise. I asked for it with my belligerant attitude, besides where i'm from we speak like that as terms of endearment.
 
In our solar system there are only 2 planets capable of sustaining life, at least in terms of not being regularly bombarded with asteroids.

Sorry, gf's ordering me to make coffee.
 
Which would be Earth and Mars, but that is only by our perception of what a habitable atmosphere is. However we are less likely to get hit by asteroids as our surface area is significantly smaller than the others. For all we know though there could be aliens living in the clouds of Jupiter and Saturn, that would be a wild ride huh!?

Isn't it like midnight there (Netherlands) now?
 
Nearly, yes. Nearly time for bed.

yes Earth and Mars... although you're right about the other planets. i once wrote a story about the evolution of a protein strand that happened to land on Earth off the back of an asteroid. Technically this would be an alien too. It didn't start with much intelligence, but as it worked it's way through the food chain it gained it, erstwhile destroying the host before quickly moving to the next link... eventually landing in a small boy...

It was my version of the body snatchers.

Aliens could be anything... my concern is with beings with similar evolutionary patterns to our own, beings like us. beings that kidnap us at will for whatever reasons. If they do that, then yes it would be right to fear such a being. If they truly came in peace and were more technologically advanced than us then they wouldn't fear us and would quite happily land on our planet. As we would to anyone else we were superior to.

I can not let myself believe something that doesn't make sense.
 
skunkushybrid said:
Aliens could be anything... my concern is with beings with similar evolutionary patterns to our own, beings like us. beings that kidnap us at will for whatever reasons. If they do that, then yes it would be right to fear such a being. If they truly came in peace and were more technologically advanced than us then they wouldn't fear us and would quite happily land on our planet. As we would to anyone else we were superior to.

I can not let myself believe something that doesn't make sense.
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You are right about the fact that aliens could be anything. Who knows what things on other planets look like that have not surpassed our intelligence. Somewhere outhere is some weird ass thing that will have evolved enough to communicate once we achieve the technology of interplanetary travel.

Like I said before, maybe they have been watching us and know how violent and panicky we are, thus not wanting to reveal themselves immediately. Or they are our creators and keep us in the dark so they can take what they need from us when they need it. Or hell maybe we are to them what your nice little crop of Cannibas is to you; maybe they are growing and cultivating us to their standards. Or maybe they are friendly, but due to the fact that they have been tracked and shot at by our military planes, are afraid to approach the public as a whole and are abducting us 1 by 1 to implant the idea of their presence into our heads. At any rate, one day we will know the truth. It might not be in mine or your lifetime, but we will find out.
 
Also, these modern depictions of aliens greys/grays. Have you ever noted how similar in appearance they are to Darwins evolutionary picture for mankind?

These greys, are a step in our evolution that we are yet to reach. Larger heads to accomodate our increased brain power, smaller bodies, no nose and large bug eyes. This is where the image in your avatar originally stems from, Darwins theory of evolution.
 
It has even been said by some people that the greys are actually time travelers. They say they are us from the far off future coming back to harvest DNA and other assorted bodily fluids because they no longer have the ability to reproduce.
 
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