My opinion on flushing cannabis. (Yet another)

Bugeye

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A rh meter measures air moisture not bud, a buf looses the same total moisture at 60% air humidity as it does in 50%.

Your talking to someone that is seriously questioning the validity of a large group of growers here and providing proof the whole site supports against you.

:-)
The technique for a foolproof cure using hygrometers is available on this site, I believe it is a sticky in the curing section. :bigjoint:
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink!
 

Bugeye

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I'm not here to debate semantics, but intention has nothing to do with it. Just because you're being wasteful on purpose doesn't mean you aren't being wasteful. Hell, it's your weed so waste it if you want, but if i was unwilling to hit a bowl that has been hit already i would turn 100% of my harvest into concentrates instead of the 75% i do now. I just can't abide wasting something that i put time, money, and love into producing.
I've got poundage. Wasting it is throwing it in the woods unsmoked at 24 months, which is what I do.
 

NanoGadget

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The technique for a foolproof cure using hygrometers is available on this site, I believe it is a sticky in the curing section. :bigjoint:
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink!
True story. I've modified my technique a bit based on that very thread and I get excellent results without fail.
 

Bugeye

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Lol. If you're throwing away weed I'd say you either need to grow less or start donating your overages to poor stoners and med patients.
I like to grow big plants. I donate to anyone in my network that wants some. I operate my grow under CO law which only allows me to gift an ounce at a time. I grow organic and reuse my soil. Go find something real to be grumpy about.
 

NanoGadget

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I like to grow big plants. I donate to anyone in my network that wants some. I operate my grow under CO law which only allows me to gift an ounce at a time. I grow organic and reuse my soil. Go find something real to be grumpy about.
Please point out the grumpy. Or don't. Seems like the only one getting upset is you.
 

NanoGadget

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Much like chemistry students that don't understand that drawing hot air through weed is called vaping and it removes THC, CBD, and terpenes from weed.
Mmmmmmmmmm vaping. What do you use for vaping dry herb? I'm set for concentrates, but ive yet to find something for flower that i am happy with.
 

Kingrow1

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The technique for a foolproof cure using hygrometers is available on this site, I believe it is a sticky in the curing section. :bigjoint:
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink!
Fuck yer i was here when they wrote that crap, sure it was that tobacco info that inspired it.

Still i and most here disagree, you havent done our methods as we have yours and you havent spent enough time to work it out.

Your assuming so much when simoly weed dries to pretty much the same point in many humidities.

Also a slower dry changes nothing, processes hapoen far below the plant moisture leveks you cite or my bud would stay the same as it does after a week like forever and it f'ing dosent bro it changes. Week two it becomes smoother than when it first dried.

You lot are amatures taking a guess citing threads talking real growers down, you havent once paid a single bit of attention to a single word or vast volume of basic science ive quoted.

:-)
 

pulpoinspace

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Mmmmmmmmmm vaping. What do you use for vaping dry herb? I'm set for concentrates, but ive yet to find something for flower that i am happy with.
i have had one of these for over 10 years and i still use it every day. it takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

http://www.vaporizergalaxy.com/hot-box-vaporizer.html

the only thing is finding a place to replace the glass wands when you break them which you will. oh you will break them.
 

Bugeye

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Fuck yer i was here when they wrote that crap, sure it was that tobacco info that inspired it.

Still i and most here disagree, you havent done our methods as we have yours and you havent spent enough time to work it out.

Your assuming so much when simoly weed dries to pretty much the same point in many humidities.

Also a slower dry changes nothing, processes hapoen far below the plant moisture leveks you cite or my bud would stay the same as it does after a week like forever and it f'ing dosent bro it changes. Week two it becomes smoother than when it first dried.

You lot are amatures taking a guess citing threads talking real growers down, you havent once paid a single bit of attention to a single word or vast volume of basic science ive quoted.

:-)
Let's smoke out sometime. Happy to share. I like the flavor and smoothness of fermented cure best, but prefer the high of traditional cure. My weed changes radically during cure from something kinda damp smelling to something magical. My plants often stay pretty green until harvest so they need a cure. I have grown plants in the past that needed no cure because they were not kept green until harvest. They smoked great but the high was not as potent as desired. YMMV.
 

Bugeye

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Mmmmmmmmmm vaping. What do you use for vaping dry herb? I'm set for concentrates, but ive yet to find something for flower that i am happy with.
I have an older glass wand vape and I don't care for the high I get with it. Have tried some of the newer pen style vape rigs that you can adjust heat on and I find they are much improved, I just don't own one yet.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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I'm in soilless hydro. I have a bit of a dry cycle between daily waterings. No matter how dialed in your nutrient is you will still get nutrient salts drying on your substrate because plants won't consume 100% of the nutrient carried in the liquid. Therefore every 2 weeks I hit my plants with my 250 PPM tap water to flush off the build up of old dried salts.

I don't overfeed and like xtsho I run about 800 max in the most vigorous part of flower but I don't starve my plants at the end either. My plants are fed until finish.

@cannabineer you're a chemist can you speak on the color of ash at the end of combustion as a marker for nutrient salts?


I should have mentioned that i water with well water (150ppm 8.0 ph) unadjusted for ph after adding nutes. Also 6-800 ppm or 1-2 1.4. Max and always to at least 25% runoff. Looking for clearish runoff water.

Also water half the mixture then wait 10 minutes then water other half to runoff ideally to help make the built up calcium and other elements dissolve some and excess can be washed out some each time.
 

Bugeye

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A butane flame is certainly no adiabat.

The high temps mentioned would require magic physics, such as no convective or radiative heat loss. The real temps are lower, and the heat flows are tiny.
What source should I be using for the temps produced by a butane lighter?
 

NanoGadget

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Fuck yer i was here when they wrote that crap, sure it was that tobacco info that inspired it.

Still i and most here disagree, you havent done our methods as we have yours and you havent spent enough time to work it out.

Your assuming so much when simoly weed dries to pretty much the same point in many humidities.

Also a slower dry changes nothing, processes hapoen far below the plant moisture leveks you cite or my bud would stay the same as it does after a week like forever and it f'ing dosent bro it changes. Week two it becomes smoother than when it first dried.

You lot are amatures taking a guess citing threads talking real growers down, you havent once paid a single bit of attention to a single word or vast volume of basic science ive quoted.

:-)
I am so glad I unblocked you. RIU wasnt half as funny without your posts. :)
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
What source should I be using for the temps produced by a butane lighter?
I found this, which shows how hot an object can be made by various flames. I suspect that the candle flame values reflect something similar to the numbers you showed earlier - the maximum possible temperature in a tiny volume for an instant. Using a candle flame to heat even a thin tungsten wire past 1000 degrees C is a non-starter.

Note that the hotter flames either have precombustive addition of air or oxygen. Thus a butane torch lighter (which burns hotter than a Bic lighter; the difference between adding air and not doing so) is near the bottom of the list.

When I worked in the labs, one pastime was microrecovery of gold from reactions that required it. A Bunsen flame (methane/air with premix) was just barely hot enough to melt a few milligrams of gold into a tiny yellow bead. Gold melts at 1064 degrees C, so that shows that a hotter flame than a lighter gets to maybe 1100 degrees C on a non-microscopic scale.

I had very similar (non)results using the classic hardware-store propane torch. This uses premixed propane and air for a focused flame. It will handily melt silver (m.p. 962 degrees C) but gold (1064 degrees) was marginal, and pure copper (melts 1085 degrees) usually failed to melt.

The link:

http://www.derose.net/steve/resources/engtables/flametemp.html
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Much like chemistry students that don't understand that drawing hot air through weed is called vaping and it removes THC, CBD, and terpenes from weed.
But you didn't address the issue of the spurious adiabat. An answer as dismissive as yours is universally recognized as an insult of the type "insulting the intelligence of the interlocutor". Insulting Annie's intelligence, quite aside from being rude, is extremely unlikely to survive objective review. I can recommend a survival strategy: check your facts, and check their context. Then Annie and I won't be compelled to point out your massive fail.
 
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Big Perm

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Lol, too funny. I never smoke a bowl that hard. All the good stuff is vaporized on first toke. I dump bowls after one or two draws with the bottom half still perfectly green. If it isn't green on top, pass.
It's a function of how stingy you are. White ash means you are smoking to get every pennies worth, damn the consequences to the quality of taste and high.
I try to pack my bowl like a one hitter. Which for me means about half a bowl. I'm usually able to drag the whole bowl in one go to where I see the embers go out. I hate relighting burnt weed. I was wasting a lot like you until I went to this method about three bowls after seeing how much I was throwing away.
Basically, if you are throwing weed away, pack less weed in it. You can always pack another.

In a group setting where I didn't pack the bowl, it's bad etiquette to knock all of the green off of a huge bowl if you are the first one. Everyone I know lights from the side so that everyone else gets green, too. I do pass on the 2nd go around though, simply because I hate it.
 
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