Lockdowns work.
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DIY-HP-LED
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For some perspective on how things are working out in places with a more normal political dynamic and a mini version of Trump, this one has a brain and is a mere narcissist. Interestingly 60% of Trump supporters support wearing masks, the other 40% must be the real hardcore, it seems to have split them.
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Boris Johnson is tumbling in the polls after ignoring voter demands to sack Cummings for breaking lockdown rules
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Boris Johnson is tumbling in the polls after ignoring voter demands to sack Cummings for breaking lockdown rules
Johnson is set for more intense scrutiny when he faces Parliament's most senior committee on Wednesday afternoon.
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Boris Johnson is tumbling in the polls after ignoring voter demands to sack Cummings for breaking lockdown rules
- Boris Johnson has taken a major hit in the opinion polls amid his refusal to sack Dominic Cummings.
- The Conservative party's lead over Labour collapsed by 9% within a week, YouGov found.
- YouGov and fellow pollster JL Partners found that the vast majority of people believed Cummings broke the UK's lockdown rules when he drove 260 miles from London to Durham.
- Johnson will be grilled on the saga on Wednesday when he faces the Liaison Committee of senior MPs.
DIY-HP-LED
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Hard times ahead, some are trying to get ahead of the curve, perhaps a time of mend and make do for many. Competing with goodwill stores now.
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Walmart is now selling used goods from Nike, Coach, Michael Kors and more as it dives into the $32 billion resale market
Walmart will for the first time sell used clothing, accessories, and shoes on its website through a partnership with the resale site ThredUp.
Shoppers will get access to free shipping on purchases costing more than $35, as well as free returns to Walmart stores and ThredUp.
The resale market is expected to reach $51 billion by 2023.
Walmart is diving into the $32 billion resale market through a partnership with the second-hand-sales site ThredUp.
Starting Wednesday, Walmart will sell used clothing, accessories, footwear, and handbags for women and children on its website.
The site will offer more than 750,000 items across 2,000 brands such as Nike, Coach, Michael Kors, Outdoor Voices, Chanel, and Madewell.
"It's an incredible online assortment, the resale prices are outstanding, and we are thrilled to offer our Walmart customers the opportunity to reuse garments," Denis Incandela, head of fashion for Walmart ecommerce, wrote in a blog post.
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Walmart is now selling used goods from Nike, Coach, Michael Kors and more as it dives into the $32 billion resale market
Walmart will for the first time sell used clothing, accessories, and shoes on its website through a partnership with the resale site ThredUp.
Shoppers will get access to free shipping on purchases costing more than $35, as well as free returns to Walmart stores and ThredUp.
The resale market is expected to reach $51 billion by 2023.
Walmart is diving into the $32 billion resale market through a partnership with the second-hand-sales site ThredUp.
Starting Wednesday, Walmart will sell used clothing, accessories, footwear, and handbags for women and children on its website.
The site will offer more than 750,000 items across 2,000 brands such as Nike, Coach, Michael Kors, Outdoor Voices, Chanel, and Madewell.
"It's an incredible online assortment, the resale prices are outstanding, and we are thrilled to offer our Walmart customers the opportunity to reuse garments," Denis Incandela, head of fashion for Walmart ecommerce, wrote in a blog post.
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Lucky Luke
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As the crazy Americans burn things, Lock downs still work:
14 days baby!
14 days baby!
hanimmal
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The above pictures are celebrations from winning NCAA.
I am not trying to take away from the horrific events taking place due to the murdering of another man, but just illustrating that even in times of celebration we boil over when we get into large groups pretty often.
Lucky Luke
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You crazy americans
The above pictures are celebrations from winning NCAA.
I am not trying to take away from the horrific events taking place due to the murdering of another man, but just illustrating that even in times of celebration we boil over when we get into large groups pretty often.
Fogdog
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Here it is, we are opening up, ending lockdowns without adequate testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols in place.
13 states reported spikes upward in new cases: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Florida, Maine, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia Wisconsin
18 states are still declining in cases.
www.vox.com
Given the lag in new infections revealing themselves, and the fact that an infected person will on average (and without social distancing) infect two or three other people, it may be some time before we have a good idea of how much states’ reopening has affected the pandemic’s arc. The reopenings only began a month ago. Increased testing could again help to explain some of the increases in new confirmed cases, further complicating efforts to isolate the impact of easing social distancing.
“I think speculation there is premature,” says David Rehkopf, a Stanford professor and fellow at the university’s Center for Population Health Sciences.
If you look at other metrics — such as the number of daily new cases as a share of a state’s population — there isn’t really a clean breakdown between different types of states. As much as we might want it to, the coronavirus has generally not conformed to tidy narratives.
The bottom line: the general plateau of new cases nationally obscures the variations across states, which are driven more by local conditions. To repeat, this is not one coronavirus outbreak but many.
On that point, some of the recent spikes in cases can be linked to specific incidents; Arkansas has traced its recent surge in cases to a high school swim party, a church gathering, and poultry plants (at least for starters).
The latter is representative of one other important trend in America’s Covid-19 pandemic. The pandemic started in wealthier environs but has shifted to working-class settings
The lockdown worked. What we did not do is prepare for intelligently opening back up and we are right now muffing re-opening the economy in a world with the virus still active and with most still susceptible to it. Along with spikes in rates of infection in a blind re-opening, it follows that people are not going to feel safe going out and the economy will stay in recession for a long time now. More time wasted, more lives lost, economy still in free-fall. So disappointing.
13 states reported spikes upward in new cases: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Florida, Maine, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia Wisconsin
18 states are still declining in cases.
Are coronavirus cases in the US actually going down? Here’s what we know.
Three important takeaways from the latest US coronavirus case counts.
www.vox.com
Given the lag in new infections revealing themselves, and the fact that an infected person will on average (and without social distancing) infect two or three other people, it may be some time before we have a good idea of how much states’ reopening has affected the pandemic’s arc. The reopenings only began a month ago. Increased testing could again help to explain some of the increases in new confirmed cases, further complicating efforts to isolate the impact of easing social distancing.
“I think speculation there is premature,” says David Rehkopf, a Stanford professor and fellow at the university’s Center for Population Health Sciences.
If you look at other metrics — such as the number of daily new cases as a share of a state’s population — there isn’t really a clean breakdown between different types of states. As much as we might want it to, the coronavirus has generally not conformed to tidy narratives.
The bottom line: the general plateau of new cases nationally obscures the variations across states, which are driven more by local conditions. To repeat, this is not one coronavirus outbreak but many.
On that point, some of the recent spikes in cases can be linked to specific incidents; Arkansas has traced its recent surge in cases to a high school swim party, a church gathering, and poultry plants (at least for starters).
The latter is representative of one other important trend in America’s Covid-19 pandemic. The pandemic started in wealthier environs but has shifted to working-class settings
The lockdown worked. What we did not do is prepare for intelligently opening back up and we are right now muffing re-opening the economy in a world with the virus still active and with most still susceptible to it. Along with spikes in rates of infection in a blind re-opening, it follows that people are not going to feel safe going out and the economy will stay in recession for a long time now. More time wasted, more lives lost, economy still in free-fall. So disappointing.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Donald is mentally impaired in a very specific area, he cannot foresee future consequences. Any fool can see what will happen a few weeks down the road after talking to an expert, yet Donald cannot and is convinced that if he just gets through this moment everything will be OK and he'll handle it then, as he always does. It will be a long intricate and patient process to solve this issue, there are no shortcuts and no quick fixes, no papering it over and no distraction and moving on. Donald is not equipped for the job, he couldn't even follow his own lockdown plan for a week.Here it is, we are opening up, ending lockdowns without adequate testing, contact tracing and isolation protocols in place.
13 states reported spikes upward in new cases: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Florida, Maine, Mississippi, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia Wisconsin
18 states are still declining in cases.
Are coronavirus cases in the US actually going down? Here’s what we know.
Three important takeaways from the latest US coronavirus case counts.
Given the lag in new infections revealing themselves, and the fact that an infected person will on average (and without social distancing) infect two or three other people, it may be some time before we have a good idea of how much states’ reopening has affected the pandemic’s arc. The reopenings only began a month ago. Increased testing could again help to explain some of the increases in new confirmed cases, further complicating efforts to isolate the impact of easing social distancing.
“I think speculation there is premature,” says David Rehkopf, a Stanford professor and fellow at the university’s Center for Population Health Sciences.
If you look at other metrics — such as the number of daily new cases as a share of a state’s population — there isn’t really a clean breakdown between different types of states. As much as we might want it to, the coronavirus has generally not conformed to tidy narratives.
The bottom line: the general plateau of new cases nationally obscures the variations across states, which are driven more by local conditions. To repeat, this is not one coronavirus outbreak but many.
On that point, some of the recent spikes in cases can be linked to specific incidents; Arkansas has traced its recent surge in cases to a high school swim party, a church gathering, and poultry plants (at least for starters).
The latter is representative of one other important trend in America’s Covid-19 pandemic. The pandemic started in wealthier environs but has shifted to working-class settings
The lockdown worked. What we did not do is prepare for intelligently opening back up and we are right now muffing re-opening the economy in a world with the virus still active and with most still susceptible to it. Along with spikes in rates of infection in a blind re-opening, it follows that people are not going to feel safe going out and the economy will stay in recession for a long time now. More time wasted, more lives lost, economy still in free-fall. So disappointing.
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God help ya foggy, I'd be climbing the walls if it were my country, we've got issues here too, but they are minor hiccups compared to the US challenge. Many Americans on the site are determined, hunkered down, waiting for oversight, november and more death to come. The worse off America is, the worse off my country is, we will get economically screwed too.
Fogdog
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This isn't just about Donald Trump. Republican leaders at the fed and state level are every bit as responsible for the way they have opened up their states. After months without a paycheck, workers have no choice but to face harm from this virus by working in unsafe conditions in order to feed and house their families. We are being hurried back to work without sufficient ppe or testing-tracing-containment in place. I even agree that we are near the breaking point for this economy if we don't go back to work. But it's blackmail. It's blackmail because our wealthy conservative leaders aren't going to face those risks, our workers are. It's blackmail because we know the wealthy are going to sail right through this crisis without the risk of life or privation. It's blackmail because we had alternatives that could save lives and we didn't avail ourselves of them when we had time to implement them. All at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives.
It's not just about Donald, who is not mentally impaired. He knows what he's doing. It's about the classist, racist status quo that Republicans sell as MAGA. Donald is the figurehead but this failure is also at every level of their leadership. It has been going on for decades. The US was declining in health and length of life before this epidemic. The epidemic only made the health crisis in the US worse. Manufacturing in the US was already in recession before this epidemic. The epidemic only made the recession worse.
DIY-HP-LED
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I was just focused on exactly why he is leading them to disaster, especially with this kind of crises, all of these assholes (the politicians) know they are leaderless and are gonna carry Donald's heavy cross, the are trapped to and extent by the base. They wouldn't be republicans though if they weren't racist scum, especially now, they have put party before country and are enthralled to the very worst elements in American society, the deplorables. The republican party is a racist organisation and has been completely poisoned, it needs to die. You are better off with one party than an alternative like that, besides Donald will control it until he is imprisoned, even if he loses the election or is impeached and removed (remote, but useful to try), Nancy's call on that stuff.
Doug Dawson
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Lucky Luke
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Lock downs working in NZ. https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases
As at 9.00 am, 31 May 2020
As at 9.00 am, 31 May 2020
| Total | Change in last 24 hours | |
|---|---|---|
| Number of confirmed cases in New Zealand | 1,154 | 0 |
| Number of probable cases | 350 | 0 |
| Number of confirmed and probable cases | 1,504 | 0 |
| Number of recovered cases | 1,481 | 0 |
| Number of deaths | 22 | 0 |
| Number of active cases | 1 | 0 |
| Number of cases currently in hospital | 0 | 0 |
DIY-HP-LED
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There must be movie production teams lined up to shoot there, after 2 weeks of quarantine and testing going in and coming out. Once yer clean, it's business as usual, I can see big advantages for many, come and cleanse thyself to work free. You guys might be able to leverage an economic advantage out of this shit, shit can be used to grow crops if one is creative.
Lucky Luke
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Im in Aussie, were are not far behind NZ in being covid free.
Being Covid free will be a status symbol. Who would want to live in a non covid free Country? Who would even want to tour a non covid free country if coming from a covid free country?
Lucky Luke
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Day 18: no new cases of corona virus recorded in Tasmania! There are still FOUR known active cases in the state, two remain in hospital.
Fogdog
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Here it is. An example of how an effective lockdown is an economic competitive advantage if used wisely (aka, not how it's done in the US)
Australia’s iron ore miners exploit supply gap as Covid-19 hobbles rivals
Australia’s listed iron ore producers are reaping multibillion-dollar rewards as coronavirus prevents rivals from capitalising on China’s insatiable appetite for the key ingredient of steel. BHP, Rio Tinto and Fortescue Metals Group said innovative technology, an adaptive workforce and government policy have allowed them to avoid the crises elsewhere that have hampered competitors and helped propel prices above $100 a tonne.
With the iron ore sector in other big exporting nations such as Brazil and South Africa badly disrupted, the Australian companies are shipping record volumes to China, where demand has remained buoyant and is tipped to grow as the nation’s lockdown eases and its economy rebounds.
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www.ft.com
Australia’s iron ore miners exploit supply gap as Covid-19 hobbles rivals
Australia’s listed iron ore producers are reaping multibillion-dollar rewards as coronavirus prevents rivals from capitalising on China’s insatiable appetite for the key ingredient of steel. BHP, Rio Tinto and Fortescue Metals Group said innovative technology, an adaptive workforce and government policy have allowed them to avoid the crises elsewhere that have hampered competitors and helped propel prices above $100 a tonne.
With the iron ore sector in other big exporting nations such as Brazil and South Africa badly disrupted, the Australian companies are shipping record volumes to China, where demand has remained buoyant and is tipped to grow as the nation’s lockdown eases and its economy rebounds.
warning, paywall:
Australia’s iron ore miners exploit supply gap as Covid-19 hobbles rivals
Technology and policy help BHP, Rio Tinto and FMG capitalise on buoyant Chinese demand
Lucky Luke
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20 days no new Covid cases.
Fogdog
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Ok, so Australia, you guys are badasses.
Still, though, in Oregon we are doing OK. For a small state, that is.
Test capacity meets or exceeds standard.
Contact tracing is in place and meet or exceed the standards for adequate control of this virus (>15 contact tracers per 100,000). I
New infection rates are manageable with less than 4 new cases statewide per day.
Isolation facilities are available to those who need it.
Most counties are ready to open up with limits. People can go back to work. Restaurants, bars, other services are open. Restrictions are going to be in place.
I've gone through our governor's plans and they look good. We won't be fully open until a vaccine is available but we can start to live our public lives again.
The following is a screenshot from the most recent status report: https://www.oregon.gov/oha/PH/DISEASESCONDITIONS/DISEASESAZ/Emerging Respitory Infections/Oregon-COVID-19-Projections-2020-05-29.pdf
The last plot at the bottom shows estimates for new cases corrected for testing error. Less than four new "cases" (people) are infected each day. The virus is still here but manageable, which is all I can ask for right now. Bottom line is that we can get through the summer, hone our system and should be able to open our schools in the fall. If things go south, we'll know before they get dire and take corrective action then.
This is how we, in Oregon, will rationally navigate our way through the epidemic until such time as a vaccine is available.
Oh yeah, and lockdowns worked. Thanks, Gov. Brown.
Lucky Luke
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Contact tracing is a big thing in limiting the spread. England hasnt been doing it.
Fogdog
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I don't understand this. I mean, I understand every word, just not the concept.