Dinafem, is this a good breeder?

[DukeFluke]

Like Diamonds?
I have no clue who your trying to preach to but in case you haven't noticed the black market is a money making machine that outperforms every government. Some folks share cuts while others horde them and sell them for huge profits. Everyone can have their own place and do what works for them. But to call the Black Market going round in circles because they know how to make money is kind of dumb IMO.

Yes its known as a hype machine and yes you can find keepers in anything if you look hard enough. Some folks find that cut in a single pack while others grow out 1000 plants and spend 2-3 years narrowing down that elite and you don't expect someone to get paid for their time and effort? Thats not superficiality it's straight common sense.

I meant we could go round in circles talking about it.

You're crossing over different paths of logic. That a venture is profitable and therefore the outlay justified, as a financial argument, is not what's in question here and this is the bit you seem to be missing.

My point is that the cannabis market is superficial and brand driven and fuelled by idiots who see value in a name vs the inherent quality of the item.

These are two entirely separate points.

Point A {Stupid names sell for thousands and is therefore profitable)

Doesn't invalidate point B (cannabis culture is full of idiots)

It validates it.

As for the second bit, narrowing down from "thousands" of plants, I can only assume you don't know where these "elite cuts" come from, because my friend, these fellas aren't running forests trying to find you and your mates that one special plant which stands out above the rest of the Amazon.... And besides, why would they?

Breeding, as far as finding/creating a "special" plant, is vastly overrated. If anything it's done to stabilise a plant so the tendencies lean towards what traits that line is supposed to have, not to create something which stands head and shoulders above other cannabis plants. If you've tried half of these cuts, which I assume you have, you'll know this is true.

So all this special plant bollocks is a myth. Always fuckin has been. People follow trends. Simple. Yes there's a profit to be made. But like I said before and don't want to keep repeating, it's based on brands and trends, like shit clothes.

So there you go, that's the culture now. Not a rant. Not a preach. Just a statement of what most people already know.

Now.... where's my bike...

 

[mordynyc]

I meant we could go round in circles talking about it.

You're crossing over different paths of logic. That a venture is profitable and therefore the outlay justified, as a financial argument, is not what's in question here and this is the bit you seem to be missing.

My point is that the cannabis market is superficial and brand driven and fuelled by idiots who see value in a name vs the inherent quality of the item.

These are two entirely separate points.

Point A {Stupid names sell for thousands and is therefore profitable)

Doesn't invalidate point B (cannabis culture is full of idiots)

It validates it.

Everyone's an idiot and can't make good decisions for themselves OK cool...
Lets say you went full Moa for a day, what would you change?

 

[nc208]

I meant we could go round in circles talking about it.

You're crossing over different paths of logic. That a venture is profitable and therefore the outlay justified, as a financial argument, is not what's in question here and this is the bit you seem to be missing.

My point is that the cannabis market is superficial and brand driven and fuelled by idiots who see value in a name vs the inherent quality of the item.

These are two entirely separate points.

Point A {Stupid names sell for thousands and is therefore profitable)

Doesn't invalidate point B (cannabis culture is full of idiots)

It validates it.

As for the second bit, narrowing down from "thousands" of plants, I can only assume you don't know where these "elite cuts" come from, because my friend, these fellas aren't running forests trying to find you and your mates that one special plant which stands out above the rest of the Amazon.... And besides, why would they?

Breeding, as far as finding/creating a "special" plant, is vastly overrated. If anything it's done to stabilise a plant so the tendencies lean towards what traits that line is supposed to have, not to create something which stands head and shoulders above other cannabis plants. If you've tried half of these cuts, which I assume you have, you'll know this is true.

So all this special plant bollocks is a myth. Always fuckin has been. People follow trends. Simple. Yes there's a profit to be made. But like I said before and don't want to keep repeating, it's based on brands and trends, like shit clothes.

So there you go, that's out culture now. Not a rant. Not a preach. Just a statement of what most people already know.

Now.... where's my bike...

I guess you missed my point on Diamonds. What your saying isn't new and has been known by many for a long time yet your here acting as if your first person to discover this hype train.

Diamonds were my example because they are so abundant they are actually worthless. By controlling how many get released each year your creating a huge demand for something that is worthless but now you want it because it seems scarce. So many industries do this exact thing and its known as supply and demand.

 

[mordynyc]

I guess you missed my point on Diamonds. What your saying isn't new and has been known by many for a long time yet your here acting as if your first person to discover this hype train.

Diamonds were my example because they are so abundant they are actually worthless. By controlling how many get released each year your creating a huge demand for something that is worthless but now you want it because it seems scarce. So many industries do this exact thing and its known as supply and demand.

Why the extremism? It's not "worthless," it's just a bad investment. Gold is no investment but a hedge and stable value for trade.

 

[nc208]

Why the extremism? It's not "worthless," it's just a bad investment. Gold is no investment but a hedge and stable value for trade.

Fair point, I use the term worthless because of how the industry works. They mine tons of diamonds each year but restrict how many can enter the market. They are priced extremely high on the concept that they are "rare" in actuality Diamond's are not as rare as the industry wants you to believe, creating a fake demand that sets it price point high based on them holding back inventory.

If they allowed the full amount they mined to be released the market would be oversaturated dropping their value to something like quartz.

Cannabis BM works the same, hold on to your elite cut you found, tell everyone its the new greatest, give out some bags to certain individuals for free who will help hype the crap outta your cut so everyone is asking for it. The biggest driving factor behind most of the high prices also lies in the end product. Breeders were watching some folks make money hand over fist while they dont reap the same rewards, this causes cuts and seeds to start increasing in price to match the output of the final product.

 

[mordynyc]

Fair point, I use the term worthless because of how the industry works. They mine tons of diamonds each year but restrict how many can enter the market. They are priced extremely high on the concept that they are "rare" in actuality Diamond's are not as rare as the industry wants you to believe, creating a fake demand that sets it price point high based on them holding back inventory.

If they allowed the full amount they mined to be released the market would be oversaturated dropping their value to something like quartz.

Cannabis BM works the same, hold on to your elite cut you found, tell everyone its the new greatest, give out some bags to certain individuals for free who will help hype the crap outta your cut so everyone is asking for it. The biggest driving factor behind most of the high prices also lies in the end product. Breeders were watching some folks make money hand over fist while they dont reap the same rewards, this causes cuts and seeds to start increasing in price to match the output of the final product.

If you think anything in our realm is nefarious you should see how gov't around the world manipulates currency especially us it's insane complicated rat race but in the end the truth always comes out and they cant stop it.

Breeding, cuts, clones, seeds, shmeads whatever that new gel cloning of tiny cuttings craze is called etc... I could care less what anything sells for (yes of course some of it is rediculous but I say let freedom ring *skip*) as the market evens everything out organically unless it is manipulated by regulations or corrupt insentives (politicians giving out breeder licenses to friends for example).

The biggest driving factor behind the price increase is just like stocks. Emotions (free time at home,depression increasing smoking), free money (no more rent, $1200, $1000 a week, ABC company bail outs etc....).
What someone is willing to pay you at the time.
If you're a new breeder and want to spend 3 years "perfecting" or back-crossing a clone into seed form or finding that one magic pheno from an F2 and stabilzing it are respected for here in RIU but you're now broke or need to wait years to make money just to virtue signal?
No, you do other shit to make money and still have the option of doing whatever artform of breeding u want as a hobby or "boutique" label seeds without being broke.

My point is let the free market decide.
*dodges tomatoes*

 

[mordynyc]

I'm looking to buy seeds from Dinafem. Are they a good breeder ? Do they have a good reputation?

Ooops almost forgot.
They are not a breeder. More of a collective of breeders per say.
I talked to one of their reps on IG they hire breeders, clone buyers, etc
They own Humboldt seed org for example andthats another team of collective breeders I guess.
Read grow journals and reviews if you care about not getting surprised with a bad strain.

 

[BobCajun]

I tried their OG Kush, sucked pretty bad actually. Nothing outstanding about it whatsoever. They seem pretty seed milly to me. Maybe some other strains are better. Actually the only seeds I got over the last several years that produced acceptable quality was from Paradise Seeds, an old Dutch company that kept some clones from the early days. I only tried their Ice Cream strain so far, bought them recently, first batch is about 5 weeks into flowering. 6 seeds of 7 popped, two looked very Indica, with very wide leaves. Those two are producing skinny buds so far and they smell like pure pinene, like natural source turpentine smells, which isn't that bad but I don't like it myself, it's kind of sickening. But the others have a skunky smell, slightly ranker than real Skunk but still not bad overall.

Most of the plants are putting out a lot of resin, one has maximum resin, the bud leaves completely covered from base to tip with large resin heads. I can tell that this strain was bred from the real White Widow, Ingemar's. It has that same crazy amount of resin heads as the photos of WW from when it was first being sold in the 80s. Very vigorous growth too, though most stretch substantially during flowering. I got one that stayed very short though, just it wasn't the max resin one, which was kind of medium stretch. The huge resin production is worth it though. The finished buds should be a mass of crystals if they're that resinous at 5 weeks. Too get really good weed these days I think you need to find a company like that who kept clones from the 80s before strains were so interbred that they lost the original characteristics.

The other parent strain for Ice Cream is Bubble Gum, which is another good strain from the 80s. The cross seems to have worked well, though it doesn't smell like Bubble Gum, just Skunk or turpentine, depending on the pheno. I grew Serious Seeds Bubble Gum itself before that, the non feminized kind. It has nowhere near the amount of resin that Ice Cream has, virtually none on the bud leaves, just the calyxes. It wasn't high potency, pretty average, growth and rooting were slow and it molded up real good, or real bad. Crossing it with WW seems to have fixed it, roots and grows much better. I don't know if the buds will mold yet.

 

[conor c]

I tried their OG Kush, sucked pretty bad actually. Nothing outstanding about it whatsoever. They seem pretty seed milly to me. Maybe some other strains are better. Actually the only seeds I got over the last several years that produced acceptable quality was from Paradise Seeds, an old Dutch company that kept some clones from the early days. I only tried their Ice Cream strain so far, bought them recently, first batch is about 5 weeks into flowering. 6 seeds of 7 popped, two looked very Indica, with very wide leaves. Those two are producing skinny buds so far and they smell like pure pinene, like natural source turpentine smells, which isn't that bad but I don't like it myself, it's kind of sickening. But the others have a skunky smell, slightly ranker than real Skunk but still not bad overall.

Most of the plants are putting out a lot of resin, one has maximum resin, the bud leaves completely covered from base to tip with large resin heads. I can tell that this strain was bred from the real White Widow, Ingemar's. It has that same crazy amount of resin heads as the photos of WW from when it was first being sold in the 80s. Very vigorous growth too, though most stretch substantially during flowering. I got one that stayed very short though, just it wasn't the max resin one, which was kind of medium stretch. The huge resin production is worth it though. The finished buds should be a mass of crystals if they're that resinous at 5 weeks. Too get really good weed these days I think you need to find a company like that who kept clones from the 80s before strains were so interbred that they lost the original characteristics.

The other parent strain for Ice Cream is Bubble Gum, which is another good strain from the 80s. The cross seems to have worked well, though it doesn't smell like Bubble Gum, just Skunk or turpentine, depending on the pheno. I grew Serious Seeds Bubble Gum itself before that, the non feminized kind. It has nowhere near the amount of resin that Ice Cream has, virtually none on the bud leaves, just the calyxes. It wasn't high potency, pretty average, growth and rooting were slow and it molded up real good, or real bad. Crossing it with WW seems to have fixed it, roots and grows much better. I don't know if the buds will mold yet.

Funnily enough there cheese x og and there blueberry x og kush are great never tried there straight og kush mind you

 

[BobCajun]

Maybe I picked the wrong strain from them then. Might have some good ones, I don't know. I may not have ripened it long enough too, only gave it I think 11 weeks, maybe only 10, can't recall exactly. I wasn't ripening anything long enough in those days. I since found that 16 weeks is a lot better.

 

[{Ganjika}]

I loved their Remo Chemo the chemo phenos were very strong.

 

[KK26]

I've grown their Critical Orange Punch fems a few times and always have a few jars in stock.

My previous run of these was to top up the inventory of this particular strain because it is very nice.

It the only strain I've grown from them but can vouch after several grows that Critical Orange Punch is a very good one in all ways.

 

[JewelRunner]

Total bullshit

People get hung up on sellers as a brand. That's it. What you get from a packet of cannabis seeds will vary every single time. The less variation the better the breeder has worked that line. Truth is that's often not a lot.

If you believe that a hybrid of two cannabis plants "can't" possibly produce a certain quality of bud, just because of the name of the seedbank, then you'll believe anything.

I'll tell you this little secret, there's a strain from dinafem which turned into a well known cut over here in the UK which was from one of their lines. It was given a different name tho, something with "cookies" in it. And people lapped it up.

The fella that posted this above quote, has probably bought a few "quads" which he's been told are something completely different. Cannabis is all about fashionable names right now and, like anything else, we perceive quality before we even look for it. If some clothes don't have a certain brand name on them some people won't buy them. They can be made in the same fuckin sweatshop and people will swear they're of a lower quality.

I say this out of experience. I grew Ethos, Dinafem, And Bodhi in one run. The dinafem was a freebie as well, Kush & Cheese. The thing was the keeper out of the lot.

only dinafem ive grown were freebies and they were nice plants i kept around. Critical jack and blue cheese, popped one of each like 4 years apart and they were both nice.

 

[mordynyc]

If not mentioned HSO is their boutique breeder collective they are us n spain too

 

[Seawood]

Dina’s Moby Dick a couple weeks out. Smells like grape bubble gum and diesel/chem.

 

[dakilla187]

I had a blue widow freebie that was good from dinafem

 

[MidwestGorilla219]

I had a blue widow freebie that was good from dinafem

Is it the pheno that looks just like the picture dinafem uses? I had that one outdoors and it was very potent and put me to sleep.

 

[nc208]

Dina’s Moby Dick a couple weeks out. Smells like grape bubble gum and diesel/chem.View attachment 4707907View attachment 4707908

It may just be the lighting but it looks like you got some PM on the bottom right in that 2nd pic.

 

[Seawood]

It may just be the lighting but it looks like you got some PM on the bottom right in that 2nd pic.

Good eyes.

Yep, sure do. Pretty much affected my whole crop this year. Only one plant wasn’t affected. Kept it under control with weekly spraying of Greencure since mid-August and I’ve had to do an H202 wash after chop. Pain in the ass but effectively eliminates the PM, thank god.

 

[DukeFluke]

Everyone's an idiot and can't make good decisions for themselves OK cool...
Lets say you went full Moa for a day, what would you change?

Not everyone's an idiot. Loads of people won't pay over the odds for cuts and there are still people left who have good solid values. Don't make a straw man argument to knock over, or play to the crowd. My point remains and it's one about wider society and it's one which in the near future will kick our ass. Just wait and see. This is just a tiny and at the moment insignificant part of that superficial ego driven brand culture we live in where product knowledge is second to brand status.

Ganja's gone full fuckin kardashian over there in the states. You can call that entrepreneurial and to some degree you'd be right - I mean you need to exploit a trend to profit from it, otherwise you're just a consumer - but that your profits are fundamentally driven by a set of traits which is inherent in ignorant people, still remains to be the case, and this is not the case with every business venture, lots of which are driven by the inherent value or quality of the product.