Dinafem, is this a good breeder?

toomp

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No I'm not set on Dinafem, I just found their Purple afghan kush strain interesting.
Big buds. Lowers big too. All purple, looks great.
Grew a freebie critical kush funky as fuck. Greasy onion pungent earthy smells. Greasy! Grew like kush but stronger stems.
Decided to skip the critical part and went straight to the kush. Couldn't recreate the magic. Wasn't as good as the freebie critical kush.
 

BucketGrower

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Seems like dank as fuck genetics. This is their critical cheese. Pictures came out weird, they look odd on my monitor. Either way, decent breeder for sure! I hope they are on-line again and not shut down for good. I have grown nothing but this breeder for the last few years and absolutely no issues with quality. Always satisfied. I'd still be growing Paradise Seeds if these guys werent around.
 

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norcalreppin77

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Seems like dank as fuck genetics. This is their critical cheese. Pictures came out weird, they look odd on my monitor. Either way, decent breeder for sure! I hope they are on-line again and not shut down for good. I have grown nothing but this breeder for the last few years and absolutely no issues with quality. Always satisfied. I'd still be growing Paradise Seeds if these guys werent around.
I always wanted to grow that critical cheese. The kush and cheese looked bad ass as well. Never got around to growing either. Just critical jack and critical kush
 

JewelRunner

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I always wanted to grow that critical cheese. The kush and cheese looked bad ass as well. Never got around to growing either. Just critical jack and critical kush
I've only ever grown freebies from the attitude, one being a single seed of critical jack. Super nice for popping only one seed. Same with the blue cheese. I would actually swag some of their packs if you can buy them stateside.
 

Moldy

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Seems like dank as fuck genetics. This is their critical cheese. Pictures came out weird, they look odd on my monitor. Either way, decent breeder for sure! I hope they are on-line again and not shut down for good. I have grown nothing but this breeder for the last few years and absolutely no issues with quality. Always satisfied. I'd still be growing Paradise Seeds if these guys werent around.
I had that freebee Critical Cheese a few years ago and many peeps that smoked thought it was cut with something. I hope they get back in business soon. I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread but too lazy to look lol.
 

DrKiz

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I’ve run both Blueberry Cookies and Critical Cheese as freebies from Attitude as well. They like to give those out it seems. Confirmation bias?
Good shit. I cloned and ran the Cheese numerous times. Real nice! Strong and terpy.
The Blueberry Cookies I grew was one of my favourite plants terps wise. Very unique. I bought a pack, as to my regret I didn’t clone her. Great terps, nice nugs and a beautiful plant.
I’m not talking about their business model or definitions of breeders or collectives, pollen chuckers or whatever, but they do have a solid bank.
I’ve got a bunch of keeper cuts and elite hype cuts.
I could hang out in the Thug Pug, Ethos or In House threads etc and talk them up but you know...
You can find keepers in Dinafems gear.
 

DrKiz

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I meant we could go round in circles talking about it.

You're crossing over different paths of logic. That a venture is profitable and therefore the outlay justified, as a financial argument, is not what's in question here and this is the bit you seem to be missing.

My point is that the cannabis market is superficial and brand driven and fuelled by idiots who see value in a name vs the inherent quality of the item.

These are two entirely separate points.

Point A {Stupid names sell for thousands and is therefore profitable)

Doesn't invalidate point B (cannabis culture is full of idiots)

It validates it.

As for the second bit, narrowing down from "thousands" of plants, I can only assume you don't know where these "elite cuts" come from, because my friend, these fellas aren't running forests trying to find you and your mates that one special plant which stands out above the rest of the Amazon.... And besides, why would they?

Breeding, as far as finding/creating a "special" plant, is vastly overrated. If anything it's done to stabilise a plant so the tendencies lean towards what traits that line is supposed to have, not to create something which stands head and shoulders above other cannabis plants. If you've tried half of these cuts, which I assume you have, you'll know this is true.

So all this special plant bollocks is a myth. Always fuckin has been. People follow trends. Simple. Yes there's a profit to be made. But like I said before and don't want to keep repeating, it's based on brands and trends, like shit clothes.

So there you go, that's the culture now. Not a rant. Not a preach. Just a statement of what most people already know.

Now.... where's my bike...
Mic drop right there homie.
 

Bosgrower

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Does anyone know good breeders that work with Durban poison X’s?
Here are a few things to look at



 
There's no Dinafem thread for a variety of reasons. RIU is a US based forum that tends to support US based breeders. In fact theres a largely unfounded disdain for European breeders here. People routinely shit on the Dutch breeders here ... I've been to Amsterdam and I can tell you the Dutch can breed some damn fine cannabis. I've also grown some Dinafem strains, most recently Critical+ 2.0 and its been a good experience all around.

Its also just not trendy to be into old school European breeders in general right now. Maybe they should start naming their strains after desserts. :bigjoint:

That being said, I actually agree with your original breeder recommendations. If OP is in the US s/he should be looking at places like JBC Seeds, DC Seed Exchange, Great Lakes Genetics, Oregon Elite, Area 51 Seedbank or even buying direct from breeders like Eso's. Its not that Dinafem isn't good IMO, its just why deal with international shipping and buying from an overseas breeder when straight fire is being bred right here at home.
I mean for me when I look at all those websites except for Area 51 they look like a 10 year old built them, they're horrible. Slow servers, atrocious layout, unresponsive, and you want me to give them money? They look like a geocities scam site from the early 2000's. On top of that the genetics are expensive. So for someone who is just starting to grow why not go with breeders that have been around for 20+ years? There are hundreds of grow reports on these breeders genetics but the same can't be said for any of these US breeders and why they command $20 a seed.
 

Gentlemencorpse

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I mean for me when I look at all those websites except for Area 51 they look like a 10 year old built them, they're horrible. Slow servers, atrocious layout, unresponsive, and you want me to give them money? They look like a geocities scam site from the early 2000's. On top of that the genetics are expensive. So for someone who is just starting to grow why not go with breeders that have been around for 20+ years? There are hundreds of grow reports on these breeders genetics but the same can't be said for any of these US breeders and why they command $20 a seed.
See I have a problem with this mentality. It's the same reason people eat at Applebee's instead of a mom and pop restaurant... it's shiny and familiar, because a giant corporation was able to dump money into it and hire designers and pay for advertising. Spend some time looking at what people are growing on the forums and you'll see the US breeders are dropping fire! Meanwhile, a lot of the Euro breeders are sub contracting their seed production and just cranking out generic garbage on a huge scale (hence the low price point).

I get the aversion to the breeders like Exotic and In House at like $200 a pack, but Useful, 3thirteen, Esos, Briscos... all those guys are selling packs for $60 or less. No worries about customs either.

Don't get me wrong either, there are good euro breeders still. And I have a great affinity for companies like Sensi even if they aren't quite what they used to be. In the long run, buy what you want. But if your going to disregard a seed bank based on their website despite thousands of people on this very forum giving them rave reviews your only hurting yourself.
 

zem

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I tried a few strains from Dinafem i kept Original Amnesia which i find extremely potent and indeed is original. I found Ripper Seeds to be another great Spanish breeder. I tried 2 strains Ripper Haze and Double Glock from them, and both are definitely keepers. I wish i bought other strains from them when I had the chance.
 
See I have a problem with this mentality. It's the same reason people eat at Applebee's instead of a mom and pop restaurant... it's shiny and familiar, because a giant corporation was able to dump money into it and hire designers and pay for advertising. Spend some time looking at what people are growing on the forums and you'll see the US breeders are dropping fire! Meanwhile, a lot of the Euro breeders are sub contracting their seed production and just cranking out generic garbage on a huge scale (hence the low price point).

I get the aversion to the breeders like Exotic and In House at like $200 a pack, but Useful, 3thirteen, Esos, Briscos... all those guys are selling packs for $60 or less. No worries about customs either.

Don't get me wrong either, there are good euro breeders still. And I have a great affinity for companies like Sensi even if they aren't quite what they used to be. In the long run, buy what you want. But if your going to disregard a seed bank based on their website despite thousands of people on this very forum giving them rave reviews your only hurting yourself.
I agree with most of what you're saying but presentation is a big part of retaining customers. Applebee's is consistent and affordable and it's why they get repeat customers. If you walked into a mom and pop restaurant and that $12 Applebee's burger is now $30 and the restaurant has mismatched chairs, wobbly tables, and dirty bathrooms you're probably not going to go back even if the burger was great. They could literally hire a computer science student to build a better website. I work in software and that's the first impression you're giving customers and it's a big part of how to retain customers in 2021. Business and marketing doesn't have anything to do with the skill of the breeder, or if they produce great cannabis but it is a big reason why inferior products get more business. I agree though, if something looks interesting and you've heard good things buy some and give it a shot. I will eventually buy some genetics from US breeders and see what the fuss is about.
 

Gentlemencorpse

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I agree with most of what you're saying but presentation is a big part of retaining customers. Applebee's is consistent and affordable and it's why they get repeat customers. If you walked into a mom and pop restaurant and that $12 Applebee's burger is now $30 and the restaurant has mismatched chairs, wobbly tables, and dirty bathrooms you're probably not going to go back even if the burger was great. They could literally hire a computer science student to build a better website. I work in software and that's the first impression you're giving customers and it's a big part of how to retain customers in 2021. Business and marketing doesn't have anything to do with the skill of the breeder, or if they produce great cannabis but it is a big reason why inferior products get more business. I agree though, if something looks interesting and you've heard good things buy some and give it a shot. I will eventually buy some genetics from US breeders and see what the fuss is about.
I knew you worked in software immediately lol. People in software always bring up the website.

I 100% understand what your saying about marketing. I own a small business and I dropped a pretty penny on my own site and have seen the results of improving your image. But it's not like my product improved when I got the new website, and I come from an industry where a lot of guys make a good living with just a sign on a truck, so I also know I can get a good product from someone who stinks at marketing.

I don't know how long you've been growing but it's also industry related. When I started buying seeds from Europe their websites were worse than the US ones now. A certain amount of jankiness has been accepted for a long time. They should improve their websites for the new crowd but they'll get there eventually. Meantime, I trust the guys I mentioned a lot more than Neptune and its clone sites even if their websites are more refined.

But as you said, in the long run we're on the same page. Except I'm definitely the guy who would absolutely pay double for a burger at a greasy spoon if it's good enough haha. And then get all blazed tell everyone how they should eat there.
 
I knew you worked in software immediately lol. People in software always bring up the website.

I 100% understand what your saying about marketing. I own a small business and I dropped a pretty penny on my own site and have seen the results of improving your image. But it's not like my product improved when I got the new website, and I come from an industry where a lot of guys make a good living with just a sign on a truck, so I also know I can get a good product from someone who stinks at marketing.

I don't know how long you've been growing but it's also industry related. When I started buying seeds from Europe their websites were worse than the US ones now. A certain amount of jankiness has been accepted for a long time. They should improve their websites for the new crowd but they'll get there eventually. Meantime, I trust the guys I mentioned a lot more than Neptune and its clone sites even if their websites are more refined.

But as you said, in the long run we're on the same page. Except I'm definitely the guy who would absolutely pay double for a burger at a greasy spoon if it's good enough haha. And then get all blazed tell everyone how they should eat there.
Hahaha, yeah if you've worked in an industry long enough you tend to nitpick stuff that other people don't care about. Such as a carpenter reigning down hell on a diyer trying to build cabinets. Marketing is such an insane thing though that as you said it can take the same product and increase revenue by a drastic margin. Same product, same performance, but a shiny new image and it sells like hotcakes. I definitely think we're on the same page and if the burger is great I would rant and rave about it too, lol. I'll for sure try some US genetics after this run I'm on and will be giddy with anticipation to see if the beans I popped grow up to be fire. Oh yeah, and those websites back in the day were sketch as all hell. I was always paranoid about being ripped off but most of them came through thankfully. So I should have a little bit more faith in these companies that have good word of mouth on the forums.
 

grimweeder

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So if dinafem claim to be a collective is it safe to assume that they are really just resellers that buy bulk seeds of actual breeders likely in Spain and resell them as their own strains/brand.

The same as a lot of “breeders” especially in Europe are doing over the last decade or so. There’s HSO which are also dinafem it seems, royal queen seeds seedsman seeds who obviously are as they own a seedbank and are uk based there’s no way they even grow any plants let alone do actual breeding work, are G13 seeds also like this now? Sweet seeds I think are real breeders they have quit unique strains no one else stocks.

I don’t know for sure of any others but I have quit a few in mind like expert seeds, Blim burn, europa, id even be willing to put barneys farm in there too, we know greenhouse do their own breeding tho as they document some of it at least but I can go on listing breeders we do not ever see even parent stock pictures or their own plants grown or even info about the strains let alone actual info on the breeding and stuff, they just repost other peoples grows of “their” strains but that’s it on their social media. Real breeders actually tend to post their own grow picture to some extent. Obviously some of these may be actual breeders I listed just keeping stuff on the down low but it seems a lot of them are just buying bulk seeds from Spain and reselling them as their own strains etc.

I mean we would have no way of being able to tell as the strains are not stable and uniform nearly every strain if not every strain are polyhybrids and so literally every seed is potentially different making it nearly impossible to identify if the same strain is sold by 2 different breeders. You may see some similarities but they could jus be explained away by the strain having similar or same genetics listed so they both use og kush etc. You’d probably have to grow out quit a few and also get lucky picking the strains to be able to come to the conclusion they are the same strain and there’s soo many now that the chances of that happening are really low unless you specifically comb through them all looking for ones with the same genetics etc. especially as most people growing out those types of seeds from those breeders are usually newer growers or small time growers so they chances are even lower.

Sorry for the rant/waffle. Got a bit carried away. But people do need to realise that not every breeder and every strain are equal in quality and there can be a big difference between USA breeders and European “breeders.” quit a lot in europe are not even real breeders, whereas this type of shit doesn’t really happen if at all with USA breeders. There’s a lot of seedy (pun not intended) shit goin on in the cannabis seed game these days not many people realise or expect.
 
So if dinafem claim to be a collective is it safe to assume that they are really just resellers that buy bulk seeds of actual breeders likely in Spain and resell them as their own strains/brand.

The same as a lot of “breeders” especially in Europe are doing over the last decade or so. There’s HSO which are also dinafem it seems, royal queen seeds seedsman seeds who obviously are as they own a seedbank and are uk based there’s no way they even grow any plants let alone do actual breeding work, are G13 seeds also like this now? Sweet seeds I think are real breeders they have quit unique strains no one else stocks.

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Sorry for the rant/waffle. Got a bit carried away. But people do need to realise that not every breeder and every strain are equal in quality and there can be a big difference between USA breeders and European “breeders.” quit a lot in europe are not even real breeders, whereas this type of shit doesn’t really happen if at all with USA breeders. There’s a lot of seedy (pun not intended) shit goin on in the cannabis seed game these days not many people realise or expect.
I can definitely believe a lot of shady stuff is going down in the seed game but Spain is one of the only countries where you're allowed to grow and sell seeds legally. So I would imagine if there are any legitimate breeders in the European game then Spain is where they're located. Which is probably why Royal Queen Seeds has became popular over the past couple years. I am going to start doing some more research on US breeders and I'll probably drop some cash to grab some beans. I should probably start following some of these companies but I wish a lot of them would share more content on Youtube.
 

grimweeder

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I can definitely believe a lot of shady stuff is going down in the seed game but Spain is one of the only countries where you're allowed to grow and sell seeds legally. So I would imagine if there are any legitimate breeders in the European game then Spain is where they're located. Which is probably why Royal Queen Seeds has became popular over the past couple years. I am going to start doing some more research on US breeders and I'll probably drop some cash to grab some beans. I should probably start following some of these companies but I wish a lot of them would share more content on Youtube.

Oh yea your definitely correct a lot of breeders have moved to Spain to make seeds as it’s kinda legal over there. A few from the uk like ugorg have moved to either Spain or Ibiza or somewhere similar to breed as the uk is just bait as fuck and you can easily loose your whole library so Spain is a safe place to do it and it was easy to move to before brexit at least.

But it also means it’s a safe place for certain people to set up large scale farms specifically for breeding large amounts of seeds in the millions to then be sold on to be relabelled etc. Then these seeds are sold onto other people who then pretend the seeds are their own strains and start up a seedbank and pose as a breeder. Whilst a lot won’t actually state they breed so are not really lying as such they don’t tell you where their seeds are actually sourced from so let you think they do the work themselves etc. So there’s likely a lot of companies people assume are breeders who all get their seeds from the same few other companies who own all the farms. I wouldn’t be surprised if DNA (for example) owns a massive number of these seed farms and sell their strains out to others etc etc to be renamed. maybe dna don’t own them but hire them out to make their own strains and that’s how some others do it too they handed them their genetic library and said to make them the seeds which then get sold out to more than just DNA for example or they have a few strains that are specific to that brand and then a load of others that get renamed and sent elsewhere etc . I don’t know who the owners of the farms are but may be with some digging we could actually find out and see how deep the rabbit whole goes. I already do know it goes quit fucking deep tho.


But yes there are most certainly a lot of legit breeders out in Spain. But also a lot of shady bulk seed makers doing the work for others behind the scenes.

I just wanna add this isn’t the same as a breeder employing someone else or hiring a farm to do their breeding work for them or help them out etc lots of breeders do that and it’s perfectly fine.
This is much much bigger it amounts to say half the “breeders” or selections listed on a site like attitude effectively coming from the same handful of farms in Spain/eu. They all buy their seeds in bulk from these farms and relable and repackage them as their own brand/strains. It’s basically fraud to some extent.
 
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