.Smoke
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You can get really good spectrum from HIDSPECTRUM
2k, 3100k, 6k
It's a little more than 252w though...
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LED HPS comparison.
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2k, 3100k, 6k
It's a little more than 252w though...
race winslow
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The light that I'm referring to is the Solar Extreme 500. It is a COB based light that draws 400 watts. It lists for $450. However, CLW typically will sell it for 15 percent off. The net cost is $375. That's a lot of light for the money. It covers a 4x4 area in flower. That was point I was making to the original poster. They are not "2 year old LEDs" . This an excellent entry level light. It's full spectrum. No changing settings or spectrums. For a novice grower this is an excellent choice. It basically set it and forget it other than adjusting the height. Let's keep it real. Trying to get straight information to a seemingly novice grower.
SupraSPL
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In my experience, comparing the same cuttings and same soil, potency is related to canopy temps especially in the final 4 weeks of flowering. This is especially true with heat sensitive varieties. HID bulbs radiate an IR spike into the canopy which probably results in more vegetative growth and weight on the scale but decreased flower density and in my experience decreased cannabinoid and terpene levels.
If you are cranking 1150 dissipation watts in a 5x5 you need a loud powerful ventilation fan but LED grow rooms dont have to be loud it is so nice to be able to dim an 8" hyperfan to 5-10W most of the time. On top of that, if more AC is required to maintain a decent canopy temp, that same energy could have been used for more light or dehumidification to grow more weed instead.
If white LEDs can be run at 60-75% efficient and customized to any growspace, how could HID compete with that in any way except up front cost?
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Day 42 under2 SF2000 tall ones are OGkush and the far small ones are critical orange punch.
1 SF 2000 can replace a 500W HPS/HID
1 SF 2000 can replace a 500W HPS/HID
Horselover fat
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How? It's got half the output of a 600w hps, right?
PJ Diaz
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Not even that. 200watts. You would need two of them to replace a 500w HPS (is that really even a thing? 500w hps? never heard of it.)
HydroKid239
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I think what they are saying is if you grow under 500w of HPS lighting (2x250w) It may not be the same wattage, but if grown side by side.. I'd like to see the results.
PJ Diaz
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Yeah, and I'm calling BS on the assertion that 200w of SF lighting will beat 500w of HPS.
PJ Diaz
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Yes, I'm quite aware that LEDs need less wattage than HID for the same amount of light. I grow with LED now, and grew with HID (HPS, CMH, and MH) for years prior. I replaced my HPS with around 450watts of quality LED. Based on the science and also my own experience I don't see how anyone could believe that a 200watt Spider Farmer will beat 500watts of HID. Two SP2000's (200w each) vs two 250w HPS seems more realistic to me.
Horselover fat
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Yeah, I mean I looked at their specs and it has half the output of a 600w. Ok so 150w hps bulbs are inefficient enough that a sf2000 is about the same as 500w of 150w hps. So it's not a lie technically. Not that anyone uses 150w hps, because you'd need 1000w to replace a 600w hps. According to the spec sf2000 is a fine and very efficient led fixture, but bullshit claims like these are just dumb.
200w Sf2000 = 527 umol/s
150w hps ~160 umol/s (500w ~ 530 umol/s)
250w hps ~ 400 umol/s (500w ~ 800 umol/s)
400w hps ~ 700 umol/s (500w ~ 875 umol/s)
600w hps ~1100 umol/s (500w ~ 915umol/s)
1000w hps ~1700 umol/s (500w ~ 850 umol/s)
1000w de hps 2100 umol/s (500w ~ 1050 umol/s)
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Not using bullshit claims they could say their light is significantly more efficient than any hps is: 500w of sf2000 is ~1315 umol/s. Old habits die hard I guess...
smokin away
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I have been using the SXtreme 500. It was an upgrade to a Kind L300 that was old. I've had three successful grows with it. My current grow was greatly improved with a Dark Street 2x4 tent and four inch fan. Best ladies yet with white coming on during third week of flower. Love it and well worth the money.
New Led grow light is energy saving than HPS/HID or traditional purple light.
Actual wattage of SF 2000 is: 202.3W±5%@AC120V; 196.7W±5%@AC240V ;196.6W±5%@AC277V It can replace a 500W HPS when it only consume 202W.
All the parameter was tested with professional tool in professional environment.
Actual wattage of SF 2000 is: 202.3W±5%@AC120V; 196.7W±5%@AC240V ;196.6W±5%@AC277V It can replace a 500W HPS when it only consume 202W.
All the parameter was tested with professional tool in professional environment.
PJ Diaz
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Dude, what? I can also replace a glass of water with a half of a glass of water, but that does not make them equal.
race winslow
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Glad that you are getting excellent results. These are very good lights for the money. I always thought that Kind lights were overpriced.I have been using the SXtreme 500. It was an upgrade to a Kind L300 that was old. I've had three successful grows with it. My current grow was greatly improved with a Dark Street 2x4 tent and four inch fan. Best ladies yet with white coming on during third week of flower. Love it and well worth the money.
race winslow
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Here are some pics from a four different strain auto grow
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Lenin1917
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I'm running a 400w ipower hps/mh in my 3x3. Half the price of an equivalent led and only 100w difference in power draw so paying an extra $150-$200 on a light to save like $10/month on electric didn't seem like a worthwhile deal to me. Might invest in led for the summer though so I don't have to blast my AC.
race winslow
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So, this forum has been going on for about 7 months now and I've made several posts about my affinity for HPS vs LED. I'm still loving HPS. However, I decide to take the plunge on these two lights.
horticulturelightinggroup.com
timbergrowlights.com
Why, why. why, you might ask......well, let's just say that I'm restless, curious and the in the position to explore alternative grow lights without relying on heresy and paid YouTube product promoters.
The HLG's have an excellent reputation from growers. This design allows for close canopy placement and does not overdrive the diodes into submission. The far red component is equally intriguing.
The Timber VS is the one I'm really excited about. I was able to speak with the companies lighting engineer directly. He mentioned that they would custom configure the light to my liking. So, after some light spectrum conversations with him, I decided to go with 4-3k COBS in the corners and 2-1750k COBS in the middle. The being that the average color temp would work out to about a 2600K color temp on average. While not as low as an HPS, it's fairly low and I'm hoping that it's close or better in performance. I've said that I'm about the eye test and who wants a light that produces excellent yields of marginal weed?
So, with these two lights I have a chance to put things to a test. If they suck I'll admit it here. However, both of these lights are 600 watts or better and won't degrade as fast as HPS bulbs. They have significant light output and efficiency. So, now lets put them to the test.
You'll never hear talk bad about HPS! They're proven we all now that. This is about seeing if there are other truly comparable lights that I feel are the next generation and not a bunch of hype. Hoping for a productive winter growing season these.
HLG Scorpion® Rspec®
HLG Scorpion Rspec is designed for grows with low ceiling heights or vertical racks. HLG Scorpion Rspec uses 6x Rspec 288 Quantum Boards for an even light spread at just 12" from the canopy. QB 288 uses Samsung's latest LM301H and Deep Red LED 660nm. Commercial Indoor Horticulture LED grow light
horticulturelightinggroup.com
Redwood VS
This 650 watt COB LED grow light features Bridgelux Vero29 COBs and dual Meanwell drivers. Remote driver placement helps with managing heat and custom color temperatures are available. Designed to cover a 4 x 4 coverage area with high PPFD for full cycle/flowering.
The HLG's have an excellent reputation from growers. This design allows for close canopy placement and does not overdrive the diodes into submission. The far red component is equally intriguing.
The Timber VS is the one I'm really excited about. I was able to speak with the companies lighting engineer directly. He mentioned that they would custom configure the light to my liking. So, after some light spectrum conversations with him, I decided to go with 4-3k COBS in the corners and 2-1750k COBS in the middle. The being that the average color temp would work out to about a 2600K color temp on average. While not as low as an HPS, it's fairly low and I'm hoping that it's close or better in performance. I've said that I'm about the eye test and who wants a light that produces excellent yields of marginal weed?
So, with these two lights I have a chance to put things to a test. If they suck I'll admit it here. However, both of these lights are 600 watts or better and won't degrade as fast as HPS bulbs. They have significant light output and efficiency. So, now lets put them to the test.
You'll never hear talk bad about HPS! They're proven we all now that. This is about seeing if there are other truly comparable lights that I feel are the next generation and not a bunch of hype. Hoping for a productive winter growing season these.
Bosgrower
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It's always valuable comparing innovative technology to existing standards. I just wish you had selected LED options with better PAR distribution. Both of the fixtures you selected are heavily center weighted and while the do offer quality builds, they leave a lot to be desired as far as lighting a 4x4 canopy is concerned. Timber is a good company, but they're promoting an less than optimal technology with their COBs, and HLG's QB style fixtures, while well made and durable simply don't light the canopy as well as high end Fluence, Gavita, Photontek/Lumatek and other quality bar style fixtures.So, this forum has been going on for about 7 months now and I've made several posts about my affinity for HPS vs LED. I'm still loving HPS. However, I decide to take the plunge on these two lights.
HLG Scorpion® Rspec®
HLG Scorpion Rspec is designed for grows with low ceiling heights or vertical racks. HLG Scorpion Rspec uses 6x Rspec 288 Quantum Boards for an even light spread at just 12" from the canopy. QB 288 uses Samsung's latest LM301H and Deep Red LED 660nm. Commercial Indoor Horticulture LED grow lightWhy, why. why, you might ask......well, let's just say that I'm restless, curious and the in the position to explore alternative grow lights without relying on heresy and paid YouTube product promoters.Redwood VS
This 650 watt COB LED grow light features Bridgelux Vero29 COBs and dual Meanwell drivers. Remote driver placement helps with managing heat and custom color temperatures are available. Designed to cover a 4 x 4 coverage area with high PPFD for full cycle/flowering.
The HLG's have an excellent reputation from growers. This design allows for close canopy placement and does not overdrive the diodes into submission. The far red component is equally intriguing.
The Timber VS is the one I'm really excited about. I was able to speak with the companies lighting engineer directly. He mentioned that they would custom configure the light to my liking. So, after some light spectrum conversations with him, I decided to go with 4-3k COBS in the corners and 2-1750k COBS in the middle. The being that the average color temp would work out to about a 2600K color temp on average. While not as low as an HPS, it's fairly low and I'm hoping that it's close or better in performance. I've said that I'm about the eye test and who wants a light that produces excellent yields of marginal weed?
So, with these two lights I have a chance to put things to a test. If they suck I'll admit it here. However, both of these lights are 600 watts or better and won't degrade as fast as HPS bulbs. They have significant light output and efficiency. So, now lets put them to the test.
You'll never hear talk bad about HPS! They're proven we all now that. This is about seeing if there are other truly comparable lights that I feel are the next generation and not a bunch of hype. Hoping for a productive winter growing season these.
1500 μmols in the center square of a 4x4 or 5x5 tent is impressive, ... 300 to 500 μmols in the corners, a lot less so.
In any case, it should be an interested comparison for you.