Vedruss
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Hello the seed i planted in just cow poop
That is tge experiment
These other plants are just plants i have
Grow directly in fresh sun baked cow poop.
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That is tge experiment
These other plants are just plants i have
Snoopy808
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The sun will "sterilize" not completely only what is in direct sunlight and the depth of UV rays. Not the interior of a fresh pattie. Thermophilic composting sterilizes pathogens and most other beneficials. This condition wont be met in a cow pattie. So there is an increased chance of a pathogen for plant or person.
Nitrogen in urea and ammonium is very readily available in manure when 1-2 days fresh. After that its mostly nitrates and derivatives, which can easily be toxic to plants. Especially large volume slow release.
Nitrogen in urea and ammonium is very readily available in manure when 1-2 days fresh. After that its mostly nitrates and derivatives, which can easily be toxic to plants. Especially large volume slow release.
Vedruss
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I'm just saying they kill pathogens.
I understand there is a risk of contamination.
But it is said that when using fresh manure one should apply it 120 days before harvest to eliminate the concern of pathogens.
In theory fresh sun dried cow dung is
Antiseptic
Has no weeds
And is slow releasing.
I like that youn point out nitrogen levels but sun baking takes minimum 3 days.
The product is in theory perfect.
It works well when I cut it, the question is can I use it all by itself.
I don't see why not.
Vedruss
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We don't do this because of the antibiotics, hormones, pesticides and herbicides.
As long as we are told nature is not safe to use then people can make money by selling a product that is deemed safe.
But the effort we undergo to make something safe is silly. First we kill everything in the soil only to then spend money amending it.
Vedruss
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Cow dung collected from a cow that lives naturally
raised without the use of hormones antibiotics pesticides and herbicides will in turn have nothing bad in it that you need to kill.
printer
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Well, not quite what it says on the box. or at least the thread.
Thought the seeds were going to be grown in 3 day old cow poop. Now it also has worm casings and peat moss as well as whatever comes in the bag. So not three day old cow dung. Which I am guessing the seeds will be able to grow in. Because seeds to get spread around the farm when an animal eats them and the seeds germinate in the dung. Mainly weeds though. But we are talking about growing weed in it. As far as the box of dung, does not look like three day cakes I have seen. Most likely more than three days.
Never grew up on the farm but my day bought a quarter section next to a farmer friend and we grew our vegetables on it. The friend did have cows though, and I did get to see how they fertilized the soil. Takes more than three days to dry though. As far as pathogens passed through the cow's gut, I would not trust the sun to kill them all. Used to put a chunk of dung in the hole with every piece of potato we planted. That was also more than 40-50 years ago, no idea if there was much pharmaceuticals fed to his livestock then. Will the seeds grow in peat mixed with cow and worm dung? Sure. Will it have everything for the plants to grow their best? we will see.
Thought the seeds were going to be grown in 3 day old cow poop. Now it also has worm casings and peat moss as well as whatever comes in the bag. So not three day old cow dung. Which I am guessing the seeds will be able to grow in. Because seeds to get spread around the farm when an animal eats them and the seeds germinate in the dung. Mainly weeds though. But we are talking about growing weed in it. As far as the box of dung, does not look like three day cakes I have seen. Most likely more than three days.
Never grew up on the farm but my day bought a quarter section next to a farmer friend and we grew our vegetables on it. The friend did have cows though, and I did get to see how they fertilized the soil. Takes more than three days to dry though. As far as pathogens passed through the cow's gut, I would not trust the sun to kill them all. Used to put a chunk of dung in the hole with every piece of potato we planted. That was also more than 40-50 years ago, no idea if there was much pharmaceuticals fed to his livestock then. Will the seeds grow in peat mixed with cow and worm dung? Sure. Will it have everything for the plants to grow their best? we will see.
Vedruss
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Snoopy808
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How many weed, or grass seeds that make it thru rumination sprout in cowmanure that isnt at least 4 months old. Ive never seen it in all the fields ive walked. How many windblown seeds germinate like that? Or even dormant seeds underneath a pattie. Never seen it. Reasons that is not the norm for seed germination for oh say centuries.
Vedruss
Member
No seeds sun kills em
Vedruss
Member
I see what your saying
In nature you don't see seeds germinating in a cow patty.
Thats a good point.
Snoopy808
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Interesting paper. Solid points. Even commercial composting or as I have done walk the paddock with a shovel and the tractor bucket. But as soon as it touches soil, or rain falls and wind its exposed to pathogens as well. Not just from the animals GI tract.
spliffendz
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you've got to put the seeds in mouth, swish them around, then swallow, then poop them out into pots,
Vedruss
Member
If a farmer wants to grow a cover crop if covering s field he can feed the cows clover.
The clover seeds in the poop will germinate
Thats how farmers in some regions like India do it.
The difference is the cows here.