Change.gov - "America Serves"

[Bartleby Jones]

Read "We The Living" by Ayn Rand. This is strikingly similar to “volunteering” to attend party functions.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

I think it's good for HS students to do community service. It helps them become more aware that there are other people on this planet. There are more rude young people with that sense of entitlement these days than ever before.

Maybe it'll help them break free of the usual state of mind (me, me, me, me, out of my way, me, me, me, )

 

[chuckbane]

Maybe it'll help them break free of the usual state of mind (me, me, me, me, out of my way, me, me, me, )

Lets hope. Because I'm starting to lose mine for the youth

 

[ilkhan]

You know, I've gone through allot of changes politicly speaking throughout my life. At one point I wouldn't have minded, you think this sort of thing will be good and we must all make sacrifices for the greater good. Thats the kind of thinking that allows people like Hitler to come to power. Everything he did was for the greater good of the people. He was elected by the majority of the people to you know. People give up there rights slowly at first. But as times get hard (like they are starting to get) people start clamoring for the government to do something. Then through the tyranny of democracy they convince us to give up our very freedom. Most people when asked will say we live in a democracy. This is not true we live in a representative republic. Were the job of the Government is to protect the rights of the minority. Now they have never been good at doing that, thats why we have a constitution that is there to tell the government what it is supposed to do. Thats why I don't like the idea of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. The constitutions not there to tell US what to do its there to tell THEM what to do. But they can't follow that.

The government Lies. you all know this. Nearly everyone knows this. Thats why I look at things like the national service plan, With suspision, I don't trust Government at all.

Now don't get me wrong, I am glad we got that buffoon out of office I hate bush. But it seems to me that the Dems and Repubs are two sides of the same coin. Once the people get sick of the crap from one side they pick the other. And anyone who doesn't fit the party line is treated by the party and the media like hes not a good canidate, or he can never win.

I feel like we are being herded towards some end. But I don't know what that might be. But I'll bet I will not like it.

And Yes I feel Obama is a Communist (More appropraitly a fabian socialist). I'd tell him that to his face. My Aunt and Uncle are huge democratic supporters they spend the weekend with people like Jerry Brown and Former Dem Congress people. I've told them they are Communists. They hated that LOL.

Not that I think the Republicans are any better. They are Nazis the way I see it. No bid contracts, Military Adventurism and a disregard for the rights of the individual. All for our own good.

Its always for our own good, or for the children or the poor or whoever. They always have real good reasons why they have to tax more, get more involved with your buisness or tell you you have to do something you don't want to do for your own good. Look up Fabian Socialism.

Sorry for the rant but when the cops dressed in there black storm trooper outfits driving there apc's through the streets and everyone is waiting in line for there government Cheese you can thank the government for printing so much funny money to run all these programs and wars instead of doing what the constitution told them to do. (I expect a constittional convention sometime soon) Pretty soon we are going to be be selling off our national assets highways and what not, there gonna have to start bailing out GM soon or risk having China Buy it outright. That is what we've come to. China will have us on our knees kissing there ass because we didn't use any commen sense in trading with them. I can't wait for the riots and bread lines cause the first Chinese "peacekeeper" I find I'm gonna Scalp his ass (been a while sence anyone in my family has, My grampa's uncle had a scalp in his nightstand LOL).

I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this its just my oppinion and I don't want to make people here not like me(I'm new). but politics gets my blood pumping.

 

[Doctor Pot]

I'm sure the world is a scary place when you see socialists lurking behind every corner. But Barack is no socialist. Socialism/communism is an outdated ideology. It can work for a while, but eventually it drives the intelligent class away. Obama is well aware of this, and he's no dummy. At least try and give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[ilkhan]

Oh doc don't get me wrong I'm glad hes in rather that McCain. And I will wait and see. I "think" hes a good person and wants to help I'm just not sure I will like the help he gives. I will give him the chance and try to cool out. I just don't think we can spend our way out of this mess, like I "know" he's gonna try to do. As far as socialism being dead all of europe is pretty much socialist they can keep that mess over there. As far as Communisam being dead well I think its just increadably sleepy.

I just think that the government should stay out of my life and my wallet (and growroom). This shouldn't be an unreasonable request. I don't want or need there help despite there best effort. and I'm sorry I don't feel like paying for unjust wars and failed government policies. We just don't have the money.

The only thing thats scary is the incompetence of Government.

I'm going back to shopping for a good deal on fans and carbon filters and putting all this out of my mind.

 

[medicineman]

I'm going back to shopping for a good deal on fans and carbon filters and putting all this out of my mind.

Good move, keep the economy flowing, I've been thinking of updating my porn collection.

 

[stalebiscuit]

College degrees may not be worth as much as they used to, but you still need one to get hired for most jobs. And while it's true that some degrees aren't worth much, others really will teach you a lot. You can BS your way through a sociology major, but don't try and do that with electrical engineering.

Just for the hell of it, what way do you think it should be?

i think the government should stay as far out of education as possible

since we are already in the public school rig, i think its stupid to throw a bunch of money at a particular school and let the kids in the area attend it

i thing vouchers (school coupons so to speak) are a better solution

also the reduction of many classes, i mean alot of what people learn is complete BS anyhow and doesnt do jack (this is just high school level stuff and down im speaking of, havent gotten to college yet) i mean, i think the government is just to involved in peoples lives for the most part

as far as college goes ill say this, in georgia we have the HOPE scholarship, which will pretty much get you into any ok college (like GSU or perimeter here in atlanta). it will pay for it, all you have to do is have a B average (which in public school is fucking easier than smoking weed......i mean i did it) and maintain one through college (which sounds easy, but for some its difficult i guess)

sounds good right? well heres what happens IN THE REAL WORLD. you get a bunch of high school graduates who get into college, they get the hope, go to college for a year, then flunk out or leave and thats a whole year of college tuition wasted

what makes you think this 4K for community service a year would be any better? more so instead of volunteering for a community service project, JUST GET A JOB? why not get scholorship money just for working an honest hours wages......ohh wait, they already do that in tax reductions and FASFA

the money is out there, we dont need another hand out

 

[ilkhan]

!00 hours may not sound like much but when your holding down a part time job while attending collage full time I can see it being a hassle. My brother in law started collage couldn't afford it started work at a lumber mill to make ends meet. He was just a yougster all his co workers told him get out of here before you get stuck in this mill your whole life. 5 years latter guess what, no collage, working full time in a damn lumber mill. These students have more to worry about then they need anyway.

I don't know I think his heart my be in the right place and it may help people who just need that little extra bit but...

 

[misshestermoffitt]

I think the idea behind community service is to teach them that they share the planet with other people.

It certainly wouldn't kill them, there's all this talk these days about teens and kids being obese, some community service might take a few pounds off those who need it. Get them off their PS playing butts.

 

[stalebiscuit]

I think the idea behind community service is to teach them that they share the planet with other people.

It certainly wouldn't kill them, there's all this talk these days about teens and kids being obese, some community service might take a few pounds off those who need it. Get them off their PS playing butts.

right, but they could just do it themselves if they cared

the thing about america is individuality, honestly they can be able to say "fuck this, im not doing it" if they want

besides i just disagree with that because of what i said earlier

 

[Doctor Pot]

right, but they could just do it themselves if they cared

the thing about america is individuality, honestly they can be able to say "fuck this, im not doing it" if they want

besides i just disagree with that because of what i said earlier

If they don't want to do it, that's fine, they just don't get the money. Or don't graduate from public school. I'm sure you wouldn't suggest that an employee is allowed to say "fuck this, i'm not doing it" do his boss and not get fired, right?

 

[misshestermoffitt]

I used to take care of a flower box for a community service project. It was voluntary and I love flowers so I took care of them for about 5 years. It made me feel proud to drive by them and see how nice they looked.

 

[Bartleby Jones]

If they don't want to do it, that's fine, they just don't get the money. Or don't graduate from public school. I'm sure you wouldn't suggest that an employee is allowed to say "fuck this, i'm not doing it" do his boss and not get fired, right?

Since when is the government your boss? I think you've got it backwards. They work for us.

 

[Doctor Pot]

Since when is the government your boss? I think you've got it backwards. They work for us.

Well, there are government jobs, but ignoring that matter, I was just pointing out that if no one is forcing you to do community service, there shouldn't be a problem.

I used to take care of a flower box for a community service project. It was voluntary and I love flowers so I took care of them for about 5 years. It made me feel proud to drive by them and see how nice they looked.

I know what you mean. And I think this is a good way to get students involved in community service. They might just find out that they really like it.

 

[Bartleby Jones]

Well, there are government jobs, but ignoring that matter, I was just pointing out that if no one is forcing you to do community service, there shouldn't be a problem.

Government employment is completely irrelevant to the discussion and bringing it up is a weak diversion. The topic at hand is compulsory servitude. Not being able to graduate from a public school unless you "volunteer" is coercion. Volunteerism is a great thing. I encourage everyone to find a worthy cause and donate time and/or money to it. If there are consequences for non-compliance it's compulsory not voluntary.

 

[Doctor Pot]

Government employment is completely irrelevant to the discussion and highlights the weakness of your argument. The topic at hand is compulsory servitude. Not being able to graduate from a public school unless you "volunteer" is coercion.

Interesting that you should immediately jump on the part of my response I distinctly said to ignore. Is not being able to graduate unless you do your homework also coercion/compulsory servitude? It's a fucking school. They make you do work that has educational value every single day, if they're doing their jobs. That's the way education works.

 

[ilkhan]

You know you make a good argument Doc. But When I went to school I found it was 7 hours of BS and the you got to go home and be with your family or ride your bike with your friends. Not oh now that I'm outta school I get to go do my cumpulsery 2 hours sevetude. If tending flowers is good for kids make them do it during 7 hours of school BS instead of after school. God knows that might be useful. And no home work is BS I did 3 hours of homework in highschool all 4 years, 3. Worse 3 hours of my life.

But then I suppose you end up working for the government with that sort of attitude, Just like me.

 

[misshestermoffitt]

I know what you mean by this, I used to work for a boss who said overtime was voluntary but you had to work at least 2 hours over . Mandatory takes the voluntary out of it.

However, kids these days think everything is abut them. Hell politicians and CEO's even think everything is about them. It really is time for people to realize that there are others out there who may not be as fortunate and need help. Voluntaring a little time is not really that much to ask.

Government employment is completely irrelevant to the discussion and bringing it up is a weak diversion. The topic at hand is compulsory servitude. Not being able to graduate from a public school unless you "volunteer" is coercion. Volunteerism is a great thing. I encourage everyone to find a worthy cause and donate time and/or money to it. If there are consequences for non-compliance it's compulsory not voluntary.

 

[Bartleby Jones]

Interesting that you should immediately jump on the part of my response I distinctly said to ignore. Is not being able to graduate unless you do your homework also coercion/compulsory servitude? It's a fucking school. They make you do work that has educational value every single day, if they're doing their jobs. That's the way education works.

I jumped on that part of your post because it was irrelevant and came off as very condescending.
Your reasoning is specious. Homework, attendance, participation, etc. are all part of the curriculum and are necessary to educate the student. Compulsory “volunteerism” has nothing to do with education.