Does freewill exist?

Does freewill exist?

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Don't Bogart

Don't Bogart

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ComputerSaysNo said:
What if I run over a cute little child, who then dies, but to no one's knowing the child was a psychopath in the making and would have harmed a lot of people had it lived? Now am I accountable for saving the world from a psychopath?
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But no one would know. So your only accountable for killing the kid.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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Don't Bogart said:
The addiction is brutal for some people. It's arrogant and ignorant to assume all people can quit as easily as the next guy/girl or you.
The tobacco industry is counting on it.
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Oh it's absolutely more difficult for some. Each individual will have different stuff weigh on every decision, but that doesn't change that you have freedom of choice/free will.
 
Rufus T. Firefly

Rufus T. Firefly

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The block universe strongly suggests no free will.

Or maybe some semblance of free will and while it may appear to be free will it's really still accounted for as every conceivable outcome or decision tree has already been accounted for. So is it free will if it's all been done before?

Here is what I'm certain of, it doesn't have anything to do with "God" as defined by human knowledge. Or does it and we are just living in the cosmic decision tree where the exact workings of how a four dimensional universe, "God" or what happened before the big bang.

I don't really know anything.
 
Dreaming1

Dreaming1

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No. Control is an illusion. Temporary state of confusion. We are programs running on a meat machine. Our lives can be pretty much plotted out by economic/social class and personal traumas. All action is reaction. Sure, make choices. Eat this or that, poop here or there, hold your breath or don't, get this in blue or yellow... They don't matter. So, what good is free will if there is any?
Wake up, go to work, eat, go home, eat, go to sleep, poop, go to work... That is the end result of our free will. The magnificence of human intellect.
 
Saint Jimmy74

Saint Jimmy74

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
the planet is doomed to whatever fate eventually befalls it...but individual lives are nothing but a series of choices...some choices are gates that lead to other choices, but cut off yet others...how can that be predestined? i don't know myself what i'm going to do yet...because i don't know what going to happen just a few seconds into the future...
and i don't feel much of a debt to philosophers...as far as i'm concerned, they're professional slackers. pay a room full of semi educated pothead college students to do nothing but smoke weed and try to figure out how everything works together...you'll get the complete works of heidegger, kant, bacon, camus, and decarte...if you can read it through the cheeto dust smudges...
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This is far from actual truth about philosophers. We owe everything to the Greeks. They have brought meaning, answers and hope for a millennia. To talk of these people as "slackers" is ridiculous. Just because your angry life doesn't work the way you want is no reason to shit all over something you clearly do not understand.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Saint Jimmy74 said:
This is far from actual truth about philosophers. We owe everything to the Greeks. They have brought meaning, answers and hope for a millennia. To talk of these people as "slackers" is ridiculous. Just because your angry life doesn't work the way you want is no reason to shit all over something you clearly do not understand.
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i fully understand, but i'm not sure you do.
any semi intelligent person can work out just about everything the "great philosophers" have cursed us with.
i have heard half of their great theories, out of the mouths of high people, who i know have never read a book past doctor Suess or playboy. if you decide to enshrine philosophers, that is your decision, but there isn't a single philosophical theory that any of them thought of that wouldn't have been thought of by a hundred people after them, independently. the only reason you revere Plato and Socrates is that they wrote it down first, so they get the credit for ideas that they half stole from their own students, half stole from other philosophers...
all the "great thoughts" would have been thought of by someone else if they hadn't been claimed by the first philosophers to think of them and write them down, with their name at the top of the page
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Saint Jimmy74 said:
I hope one day you are 25% as smart as you think you are sir. I make it a point of not wasting my time so......
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then what the fuck are you doing in this thread, on a weed website? if this isn't a complete and total waste of time, much like the practice of philosophy itself, then there is no such thing.
 
Saint Jimmy74

Saint Jimmy74

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
then what the fuck are you doing in this thread, on a weed website? if this isn't a complete and total waste of time, much like the practice of philosophy itself, then there is no such thing.
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The difference is in having an actual conversation versus someone who just wants to spew nonsense about how smart they are and can figure all of life's mysteries. It's like saying you can read an article and then go perform brain surgery.
And this site isn't a waste of time. Learned a lot in the short amount of time I've been here.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Saint Jimmy74 said:
The difference is in having an actual conversation versus someone who just wants to spew nonsense about how smart they are and can figure all of life's mysteries. It's like saying you can read an article and then go perform brain surgery.
And this site isn't a waste of time. Learned a lot in the short amount of time I've been here.
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you may have learned something about weed, but you don't seem to have learned anything about people...i'm 56, not ancient, but i'm not a kid, and i've had plenty of time to observe other people. everything i say is from that direct observation. i don't sit in a room alone and imagine things, i go out and do things, and interact with people, and that has led to my opinions on what people will say and do in certain situations. life experience, coupled with an education, that i try to further with more reading as i go along. i've read Kant, Heidegger, Nietzsche, Locke, Hume, Sartre, Hobbes, Mill...they're all the same, they have some insights, but they're guessing, supposing, wondering, wandering....not one philosopher has ever provided an immutable truth to the world, they all just imagine, and project, and suppose...
 
JamieThePainter

JamieThePainter

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
. i've read Kant, Heidegger, Nietzsche, Locke, Hume, Sartre, Hobbes, Mill...they're all the same, they have some insights, but they're guessing, supposing, wondering, wandering....not one philosopher has ever provided an immutable truth to the world, they all just imagine, and project, and suppose...
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How fucking pretentious can you get?

@Saint Jimmy74 Aye, they're a right friendly bunch in here :lol:
 
JamieThePainter

JamieThePainter

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Saint Jimmy74 said:
For sure my man. Some are smoking more than weed I am afraid!
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Aye sadly. You've got to love the arrogance of a guy who has apparently read all of those philosophical works and can just write them off as slackers who have given no input to the world. That's a serious level of fuckwittery right there.

Wtf is he doing in a blatant philosophy thread calling philosophers "slackers" if he isn't trolling?
 
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